Oh, look, the EDI white knight, how heroic...
It's really quite obvious that's the cause of it. People here 'hate' Synthetics because that's what they're told Renegades do. That's the Renegade dialogue option. Simple as that. Really, there's no legitimate reason for any sane person to 'hate' EDI, who is nothing but helpful and kind throughout the entire series.
They're told by BioWare that Renegades 'hate' aliens and hate 'Synthetics,' and so they obey.
How ridiculous.
First of all, has it ever crossed your mind that the situation on Virmire was an obstacle to making the VS have a large role?
Secondly, you're just making up garbage. Never have I seen evidence that Ashley was received poorly. Quite the opposite. Kaidan was somewhat looked upon as a whiner, but overall he was nowhere near hated.
Thirdly, these so-called 'contrivances and hoops' are just delusionary.
The most ironic part, of course, is that many of these people advocate Renegade options and such to 'get back at BioWare' the only way they can.
BioWare wants me to pick the 'good' options? I'll show them by being evil! That will teach them to put morals I don't like in their games!
Very childish of course, and ineffective, but there you go.
And how do they 'rebel'? By obediently speaking the words spooned into their mouths. 'I hate aliens. I hate Synthetics.'
It's really quite obvious that's the cause of it. People here 'hate' Synthetics because that's what they're told Renegades do. That's the Renegade dialogue option. Simple as that. Really, there's no legitimate reason for any sane person to 'hate' EDI, who is nothing but helpful and kind throughout the entire series.
They're told by BioWare that Renegades 'hate' aliens and hate 'Synthetics,' and so they obey.
Except for the part where people disliked AIs even before the introduction of Mass Effect.
Also there is no legitimate reason for you to be such a tool, yet that has never stopped you before.
Must you always be so condescending and deluded?
Yes. Yes, he must. He reminds me of Cartman from the Fishsticks episode of South Park.
That's like asking if an Asari is ready to mate.
You humans are all racists.
You humans are all racists.
No, we're just pitiful people who select Renegade because we're childish.
The jig is up, David has figured us all out.
You humans are all racists.
To be fair, I'm quoting a Krogan.
Except for the part where people disliked AIs even before the introduction of Mass Effect.
They 'hate' AIs in other fiction, you mean? Yes, Mass Effect is hardly the first work to feature them or anything remotely close. Plenty of stories set them as the killing machines hell-bent on exterminating mankind. Hardly surprising that people would identify them as the evil villains.
Now, 'hating' AIs in real life, as many clumsily attempt to claim...well, that's hating something that doesn't exist and that we really don't know a thing about. So unless a person is just deathly afraid or hating of anything unknown, I would diagnose that as some form of neurosis.
Yeah, I remember that you're an organic-supremacist and Destroy fan; no reason at all for you not to shoot the tube. Just pointing out options for other players.
I think "natural born renegade" is the term you're looking for.
Yes, she is the deuetragonist......she also bridges the gap between games.
The gaps between the gapes can never be bridged, no matter how many Liaras you throw in there...
Also yes she is the "deuteragonist' and thank god she is, otherwise we wouldn't get any emotion out of Shepard.
But Garrus and Tali can also be dead in ME3 and get nothing.
So maybe the role of the deuteragonist is decided by each player?
But Garrus and Tali can also be dead in ME3 and get nothing.
So maybe the role of the deuteragonist is decided by each player?
That's my point, every squadmate can potentially be a deuteragonist. This is an RPG after all where the player still gets some decisions to make.
At the risk of opening the can of worms again and going against my own advice...
Who saves Shepard's body from the Collectors? Who finds the plans for Crucible and has the most to do with defeating the Reapers, second only to Shepard? Who is the spokesperson for this cycle if Shepard fails to stop the Reapers by picking Refuse?
It's not you who makes the deuteragonist, but the story, or rather, Bioware. And they made Liara deuteragonist.
No she isn't.
Liara can be a major character, but she can just as well be ignored through most of the trilogy. You can completely ignore her in ME1, don't do LotSB and mostly ignore her in ME3(mandatory missions aside). Tali and Garrus both had at least three times as much screen time in my run.
Her role as the SB is barely meaningful and her role on Thessia is ridiculous(she's just a glorified crybaby).
Well, if you choose to ignore it, but overall content seems to favor Liara. In ME3, at best, Garrus and Tali have their race related mission and that's it. Liara is involved in mandatory cutscenes, the main plot, her race related mission, and the refusal ending is pretty much about her. Yes, you can ignore her content and go with other characters, but that's just skipping contents, and that still doesn't negate her overall importance in the series like responsible for Shepard's resurrection or being responsible for finishing the crucible. She plays a crucial role in every game. The deuteragonist is not about screentime, if we talk about the original meaning, it's the second most important person after the protagonist. If we look at her involvement with the main plot, none of the squadmates is as involved in the main plot as she is.
Well, if you choose to ignore it, but overall content seems to favor Liara. In ME3, at best, Garrus and Tali have their race related mission and that's it. Liara is involved in mandatory cutscenes, the main plot, her race related mission, and the refusal ending is pretty about her. Yes, you can ignore her content and go with other characters, but that's just skipping contents, and that still doesn't negate her overall importance in the series like responsible for Shepard's resurrection or being responsible for finishing the crucible. She plays a crucial role in every game. The deuteragonist is not about screentime, if we talk about the original meaning, it's the second most important person after the protagonist. If we look at her involvement with the main plot, none of the squadmates is as involved in the main plot as she is.
Then The Illusive Man wins this hands down.
I learned a word today.
At the risk of opening the can of worms again and going against my own advice...
Who saves Shepard's body from the Collectors? Who finds the plans for Crucible and has the most to do with defeating the Reapers, second only to Shepard? Who is the spokesperson for this cycle if Shepard fails to stop the Reapers by picking Refuse?
It's not you who makes the deuteragonist, but the story, or rather, Bioware. And they made Liara deuteragonist.
Then The Illusive Man wins this hands down.
He serves more as the obstacle to the protagonist so more of an antagonist, and that person needs to have almost as much screentime as the protagonist. It's like with Frozen, Elsa is the deuteragonist, not the villain Hans. The game doesn't really focus on the Illusive Man, but Cerberus as a whole also.
He serves more as the obstacle to the protagonist so more of an antagonist, and that person needs to have almost as much screentime as the protagonist. It's like with Frozen, Elsa is the deuteragonist, not the villain Hans. The game doesn't really focus on the Illusive Man, but Cerberus as a whole also.
My post was meant to be sarcastic 
Forgot the limits of communication on the internet, d'oh!
Well, if you choose to ignore it, but overall content seems to favor Liara. In ME3, at best, Garrus and Tali have their race related mission and that's it. Liara is involved in mandatory cutscenes, the main plot, her race related mission, and the refusal ending is pretty much about her. Yes, you can ignore her content and go with other characters, but that's just skipping contents, and that still doesn't negate her overall importance in the series like responsible for Shepard's resurrection or being responsible for finishing the crucible. She plays a crucial role in every game. The deuteragonist is not about screentime, if we talk about the original meaning, it's the second most important person after the protagonist. If we look at her involvement with the main plot, none of the squadmates is as involved in the main plot as she is.
He serves more as the obstacle to the protagonist so more of an antagonist, and that person needs to have almost as much screentime as the protagonist. It's like with Frozen, Elsa is the deuteragonist, not the villain Hans. The game doesn't really focus on the Illusive Man, but Cerberus as a whole also.
So? If it weren't for Tali we woudn't even know the Reapers existed until it was too late, if it weren't for Mordin we would've never even beat the Collectors etc. etc. . The deuteragonist isn't determined purely by his/her actions or relevance to the overall plot but also screen time and relationship with the protagonist. By that criteria alone, Anderson, Hackett or TIM would be deuteragonist/triteragonist.
Being the person who speaks in the Refuse epilogue is utterly meaningless. Liara being the "second most important person to defeat the Reapers" is highly debatable.
No one made Liara the deuteragonist by default, you're just blinded by your own bias.
Each of those actions contribute in advancing the plot, but does it happen in a frequent rate? It's more like they just happen to do something that advance the plot rather than integrate into it the way Liara is. For example, the friar in Romeo and Juliet could also be seen as a deuteragonist if we only look at his specific part that led to their death.
Does he though? A deuteragonist can in classic drama, serve as an obstacle or opposition to the protagonist. TIM is certainly the deuteragonist of ME2.
In term of ME2, you could argue that, but the series as a whole, he isn't.
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