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[themikefest]

This topic has given me an idea. To try a play of the trilogy with the mininum screen-time for liara. rescuing her for last in me1, NOT meeting her in me2 (if you have grunt activated as well as kasumi and kaed this is possible), or then meeting her and only doing the minimum talk in order to recruit thane and samara, and in me3 never talk to her nor take her in non-essential missions (like mars, palaven and thesia).  Also not going to the monastery so she wont debrief me. 

 

How about this for your 100th play,  themikefest?

I have done that.

 

In ME1 I did a playthrough rescuing her after Virmire and going straight to Ilos without talking  with her or looking at her.

 

In mE2, because I play on ps3 I will always see her on the SR1, I've done Miranda's loyalty mission and not gone to talk to LIara.

 

In ME3, I always take the bottom right dialogue to minimize her dialogue when it comes up. Mars  and after the first dream. Only talk when the cutscene requires me to. Ignore her in London and that's it. I didn't do the From Ashes dlc and didn't do the Monastery mission.

[Han Shot First]

I didn't mind Cerberus being indoctrinated, I just wish it had been played more like a twist rather than something you knew was going on at Mars. I think it would have worked better had Cerberus initially seemed like allies against the Reapers, with the dagger twisting in Shepard's back at the worst possible moment.

[Darks1d3]

Tali almost didn't make until there were some writers decide to convince the team otherwise. I think it would have come down to either her or Miranda, and Tali would be more relevant to bring closure to the geth/quarian war. There would also be the issue of why Miranda would make it over Jack.  

I don't think making Miranda a squad-mate in ME3 really would have been an issue. Like others have said, it's difficult to kill off Miranda on the SM(even if unloyal). She would also have some plot relevance due to her connections to Cerberus(Like ImaginaryMatter has stated multiple times, the Chronos Station practically screams Miranda). In fact, I would have preferred her presence as a squad-mate over EDI. So I'm clear, I do not hate EDI. She was a favorite of mine since ME2. I just could have done without the Pinocchio complex, and would have preferred if she remained as the Ship's AI(her relationship with Joker is whole other can of worms). Miranda was also a versatile squad-mate in ME2 due to her being a Sentinel, not to mention her passive ability. There were plenty of times throughout ME3 that I would have liked having Miranda in a mission.

 

Of course, I could see some Jack fans getting upset that their LI didn't make the cut, but Miranda did. Yet once again, of the dirty dozen, Miranda is the one that is most likely to survive the Suicide Mission. Even more so than Garrus and Tali who are also fan favorites. Besides, there are plenty of people here on BSN who hated that Liara made it into ME3 as a squad-mate and not their preferred LI. You can't please everyone.

[KaiserShep]

Miranda could've been in the war room or possibly the CIC.

[von uber]

Miranda in and EDI remaining as a hologram would be good. Only issue is Miranda being a terrorist and wanted by the Alliance / Council.
A lot of handwaving would be required, but it's not like bioware don't have form in that department.

[Darks1d3]

Miranda could've been in the war room or possibly the CIC.

Personally, I would have been amused to see a cat-fight of sorts over who got the XO's cabin.

 

Shepard: "I'll supply the pillows."

 

On a more serious note, I think there could have been some interesting ambient dialogue between Miranda and Liara.

[Steelcan]

Personally, I would have been amused to see a cat-fight of sorts over who got the XO's cabin.

 

Shepard: "I'll supply the pillows."

 

On a more serious note, I think there could have been some interesting ambient dialogue between Miranda and Liara.

 

Miranda needed lines with Kal Reegar, not Liara

[ImaginaryMatter]

Tali almost didn't make until there were some writers decide to convince the team otherwise. I think it would have come down to either her or Miranda, and Tali would be more relevant to bring closure to the geth/quarian war. There would also be the issue of why Miranda would make it over Jack.  

 

Miranda is more relevant to the plot, given Cerberus's huge presence in the game.

 

Although, being on board the Normandy SR-2 in ME3 is basically a popularity contest, maybe Miranda just didn't make the cut.

[Darks1d3]

Miranda needed lines with Kal Reegar, not Liara

I'll agree with that first part.

 

As to the second part, come on Steel. You can do better than that.

[Steelcan]

Miranda is more relevant to the plot, given Cerberus's huge presence in the game.

 

Although, being on board the Normandy SR-2 in ME3 is basically a popularity contest, maybe Miranda just didn't make the cut.

 

Which I think was a terrible case of fan popularity dictating the series, the squadmates should have been chosen based on their potential role with the conflicts being examined, Tali should have been a temp squadmate for Rannoch, then on the Citadel.

[von uber]

Even though tali was only in because of popularity?

[General TSAR]

Miranda is very hard to kill in the SM and her reason for not joining in ME3 is ridiculous. I wish she would've replaced the robot.

A thousand times yes, I dislike Miranda with the burning intensity of a thousand supernovas but given a choice between her and the sexbot? Welcome aboard Miri! Please take the blue bimbo's quarters and kick her off while you're throwing the sexbot out the airlock. 

[Steelcan]

Even though tali was only in because of popularity?

 

Like I said, Tali should have been a temp squadmate for Rannoch.

 

If I had control I'd have done the same with several characters, like Wrex/Wreav, Liara, Zaeed, and Mordin etc...

 

 

A core squad of James, Javik, Miranda, Garrus, the VS, and perhaps EDi (no sexbot body) or a new female character

[DeinonSlayer]

Which I think was a terrible case of fan popularity dictating the series, the squadmates should have been chosen based on their potential role with the conflicts being examined, Tali should have been a temp squadmate for Rannoch, then on the Citadel.

Eh. Could just give people the choice of whether to bring her along, as we can choose with the VS. I'd have liked the option to choose whether Liara tagged along, too. Don't bring them, and you simply miss their content.
 
Given Cerberus' prominence in the plot, I can see how insight from Miranda would be useful, but the key thing would be needing quality Cerberus content over quantity. Something more like Dean's write-up, not the lolindoctrinated Ivory Mook Brigade. If the Cerberus storyline in-game was crap to begin with, pouring in more of it and drawing even more attention from what's supposed to be the central conflict won't improve what's already there.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Which I think was a terrible case of fan popularity dictating the series, the squadmates should have been chosen based on their potential role with the conflicts being examined, Tali should have been a temp squadmate for Rannoch, then on the Citadel.

 

I agree.

 

I think ME3 should have operated as a game where most of the squadmates were only temporary. There would be a core combat/tech/biotic group (not Liara and EDI) and perhaps later the VS who would always remain on the ship. Otherwise the rest of the selectable squad would depend on placement in the story, what arc was being done, and/or who survived the Suicide Mission. For Priority Earth, everyone who would still be alive would be selectable.

[Steelcan]

Eh. Could just give people the choice of whether to bring her along, as we can choose with the VS. I'd have liked the option to choose whether Liara tagged along, too. Don't bring them, and you simply miss their content.

 

Given Cerberus' prominence in the plot, I can see how insight from Miranda would be useful, but the key thing would be needing quality Cerberus content over quantity. Something more like Dean's write-up. If the Cerberus storyline in-game was crap to begin with, pouring in more of it and drawing even more attention from what's supposed to be the central conflict won't improve what's already there.

While we are at it let's hope for a quality ending, a Thessia sequence that doesn't raise anyone's blood pressure, millions of dollars to fall out of the sky, and Firefly seasons 2-5

[jtav]

I agree that Miranda was probably never considered as a squad member because it would ruin the black and whiteness of the conflict.

But really, the best they could come up with was *Sanctuary?*

[Sir DeLoria]

A thousand times yes, I dislike Miranda with the burning intensity of a thousand supernovas but given a choice between her and the sexbot? Welcome aboard Miri! Please take the blue bimbo's quarters and kick her off while you're throwing the sexbot out the airlock.

Miri isn't exactly my fav either, personally I would've taken an old vet like Zaeed or Kal instead.

[DeinonSlayer]

While we are at it let's hope for a quality ending, a Thessia sequence that doesn't raise anyone's blood pressure, millions of dollars to fall out of the sky, and Firefly seasons 2-5

Damn you... making me choose between millions of dollars falling from the sky and Firefly season 2-5...

 

I agree that Miranda was probably never considered as a squad member because it would ruin the black and whiteness of the conflict.

But really, the best they could come up with was *Sanctuary?*

Insert Evil Lord Xenu's laugh from South Park.

[Steelcan]

Damn you... making me choose between millions of dollars falling from the sky and Firefly season 2-5...

 

Clearly you take the money, then buy the rights

[ImaginaryMatter]

While we are at it let's hope for a quality ending, a Thessia sequence that doesn't raise anyone's blood pressure, millions of dollars to fall out of the sky, and Firefly seasons 2-5

 

I wouldn't mind either of those.

 

All three though and I might die from the joy of it.

[Supreme6789]

She the deteragonist because  the liara fans  wanted to have intimate scene  with her  because of her  naive shy scientist persona thats its  .what if samara was suppose to be in liara spot i bet no would give a **** about her. why is she important in mass effect 1 plot line you can basically complete the whole game without her but no its a scfi so you need a alien romance. thats what made her popular ,in me3 the excuse was she the  shadow broker so she now has to be all over your face.that some ol bs 

 

ff

funny liara scene  http://youtu.be/Ys4sHKj6nAE?t=4m50s

 

Vergil is right 

[Battlebloodmage]

Damn you... making me choose between millions of dollars falling from the sky and Firefly season 2-5...

 

Insert Evil Lord Xenu's laugh from South Park.

Why not both?

 

Get those millions and then fund Firefly season 2-5. 

[General TSAR]

Miri isn't exactly my fav either, personally I would've taken an old vet like Zaeed or Kal instead.

Even better!

[FlyingSquirrel]

In Paragon Lost, she's literally shoe-horned into the story for no reason than to have her appear. My question isn't over whether or not she's important to the plot or not. My question is why does she have to be so important to the plot. Why couldn't they have used the 'Recovery of Shepard's Body Arc' to be a better introduction to Miranda and/or Jacob (possibly Miranda, since Jacob had an introductory game for iOS)? Why did Liara have to suddenly become a big intelligence broker out of nowhere? Why did she have to be the one to solve all of the clues for the Crucible in lieu of a detained Shepard? 

 

I agree that the intelligence broker plot was a strain - I never quite bought into the notion that her personality would change so drastically over the course of a couple of years.

 

As for your other points, maybe Bioware wanted one of the SR1 crew, rather than a new character, to be the one chasing Shepard's body, and they also wanted the rift between Shepard and the VS in ME2. Wrex and Garrus have probably both seen their share of friends dying already and would be skeptical that something like the Lazarus Project would work, and Tali was always planning to finish her pilgrimage and go back to the Migrant Fleet eventually. Liara is probably the most "unmoored" in that her career as a prothean expert has been turned completely upside down and her own mother was indoctrinated and killed in the course of chasing Saren.

 

She might also have been more willing to overlook Cerberus's reputation - Garrus comes from a species that initially got off on the wrong foot with humans, and Wrex and Tali have probably faced plenty of prejudice from other species (though not necessarily humans).