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[Han Shot First]

As far as the Normandy SR1 squad mates go, the only other character that I think was a viable alternative for recovering Shepard's corpse would have been Garrus. 

 

Ashley or Kaidan are military personnel and can only go where they are ordered. They couldn't simply take off on a private mission to recover Shepard's body, even if they were willing to work with Cerberus, which is highly unlikely. In Ashley's case, shots might have been fired before TIM's agent could even offer a proposal.

 

Tali is a Quarian and if she has returned to the Migrant Fleet, that puts her fimly in the unavailable category. There is lots of bad blood between Cerberus and the Quarians, and its possible that the Quarians could fire on any approaching Cerberus ship and ask questions later. With no resources aboard the Migrant Fleet Cerberus wouldn't have a means of contacting her. In any case, as a Quarian she wouldn't be an ideal candidate. Minor suit tears could put her out of action.

 

Wrex is busy uniting the Krogan clans. He had bigger fish to fry. 

[Barquiel]

Miranda is more relevant to the plot, given Cerberus's huge presence in the game.

 

Although, being on board the Normandy SR-2 in ME3 is basically a popularity contest, maybe Miranda just didn't make the cut.

 

This.

 

And I think the writers didn't really like Miranda's character in ME2. Recall Casey Hudsons statement that "Miranda is a simpler character"?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Miranda in and EDI remaining as a hologram would be good. Only issue is Miranda being a terrorist and wanted by the Alliance / Council.
A lot of handwaving would be required, but it's not like bioware don't have form in that department.

 

In my fic, Ashley and several alliance soldiers try it. My Shepard gives them his ultimatum. Everyone except Ashley backs down (since she's convinced herself that she and Shepard are meant to be, in no small part due to the alliance propaganda which ships them). It doesn't end well for her later.

[themikefest]

Too bad that Shepard couldn't tell Ashley/Kaidan, Garrus and Tali and Anderson that LIara gave Shepard body to Cerberus. I would be interested to hear the dialogue and see their reaction.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Too bad that Shepard couldn't tell Ashley/Kaidan, Garrus and Tali and Anderson that LIara gave Shepard body to Cerberus. I would be interested to hear the dialogue and see their reaction.

 

I'd defend Liara from anything they had to say about it. I'd defend Cerberus from anything they had to say about it.

[themikefest]

I'd defend Liara from anything they had to say about it. I'd defend Cerberus from anything they had to say about it.

I wonder if it would hurt their freindship. Would they look at her in a different way?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I wonder if it would hurt their freindship. Would they look at her in a different way?

 

I think some of them would accept Liara's reasoning. Others, namely Ashley, might have trouble seeing the utility of Liara's actions there.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

He was saying that in relation to Jack though (mostly in relation to the layers you have to peel away). I don't know if it was meant as bad in general.

 

He referred to her as a 'temptress figure' and her role as such. That doesn't leave a lot of interpretation to where he thought her character was supposed to go.

[themikefest]

I think some of them would accept Liara's reasoning. Others, namely Ashley, might have trouble seeing the utility of Liara's actions there.

I agree about Ashley.

 

Tali I'm not sure about since the Quarians and Cerberus don't see eye to eye. She might be a little hesitant at first at what Liara did.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I agree about Ashley.

 

Tali I'm not sure about since the Quarians and Cerberus don't see eye to eye. She might be a little hesitant at first at what Liara did.

 

Probably: Ashley has a knee-jerk hatred of Cerberus. However, the opportunity to get Shepard back might convince her otherwise.

[von uber]

He referred to her as a 'temptress figure' and her role as such. That doesn't leave a lot of interpretation to where he thought her character was supposed to go.

 

Well their camera work certainly left no doubt.

[FlyingSquirrel]

As far as the Normandy SR1 squad mates go, the only other character that I think was a viable alternative for recovering Shepard's corpse would have been Garrus. 

 

That just doesn't strike me as Garrus's style. While he might have the necessary latitude to do it, in that he doesn't have to go back to C-Sec or the turian military, I think he'd be too skeptical of Cerberus and the Lazarus Project. To all external appearances, this would be a fringe group making cockamamie "miracle cure" claims.

[Barquiel]

Mass Effect Redemption set up the story for Lair of the Shadow Broker just like Mass Effect Invasion set up the story for Omega. That's why they used Liara. TIM contacting Liara when Shepard and Liara were not very close in ME1 doesn't make much sense, of course...but it's still better than Garrus who was an optional squadmate in ME1.

[Barquiel]

He was saying that in relation to Jack though (mostly in relation to the layers you have to peel away). I don't know if it was meant as bad in general.

 
You're right. But I never had the impression that the developers really like Miranda (I could be completely wrong, of course). Maybe Miranda's VA wasn't available for too many recording sessions, or the character was simply not popular enough to justify a large role in ME3, or the writers couldn't think of a good story (as her cameo shows). We will never know. Garrus and Liara are the most popular squadmates, therefore it's no surprise that they are squadmates and get a lot of screentime. But the devs also mentioned that they like the characters. Garrus is one of Mac Walters favorite characters and Liara was Casey's favorite in ME1 for example.

[Demonique]

This thread needs cuteness:

 

 

That isn't cute though, it looks like a bald blue human baby therefore making it ugly.

 

 

If you want to post cuteness post a picture of the baby krogan from the ending slides

[Demonique]

To be fair, I'm quoting a Krogan.

 

It was a turian who was pissed he couldn't bring a 15in ceremonial blade onto the shuttle

[Ryriena]

I'm just saying, yay Casey Husdon had to devise plot amour for her after all. They also wanted to punish anyone who didn't romance Liara by causing the rift between the VS. I'm saying they shouldn't have caused that rift because Liara is an optional romance option. It's beyond creepy she keeps Shepard's old armor in her apartment...

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I'm just saying, yay Casey Husdon had to devise plot amour for her after all. They also wanted to punish anyone who didn't romance Liara by causing the rift between the VS. I'm saying they shouldn't have caused that rift because Liara is an optional romance option. It's beyond creepy she keeps Shepard's old armor in her apartment...

 

Eh, I blame Liara for a lot of things, but I can't blame her for the rift in the relationship between Shepard and Ashley. It was bound to happen eventually. They're completely different people.

[Han Shot First]

Mass Effect Redemption set up the story for Lair of the Shadow Broker just like Mass Effect Invasion set up the story for Omega. That's why they used Liara. TIM contacting Liara when Shepard and Liara were not very close in ME1 doesn't make much sense, of course...but it's still better than Garrus who was an optional squadmate in ME1.

 

That is a good point about Garrus. While he perhaps might have also been a good candidate from TIM's perspective, Garrus' optional squadmate status in ME1 makes him less ideal from a writer's standpoint than Liara, unless the optional squadmate bit was going to be retconned out of existence.

[Ryriena]

Eh, I blame Liara for a lot of things, but I can't blame her for the rift in the relationship between Shepard and Ashley. It was bound to happen eventually. They're completely different people.

I blamed her for It as she gives Bioware a reason to merge both Kaiden and Ash in too the same character..... I mean they both have kneejerk reaction and it sounds way out of Character for a calm guy looking for other options or away out. Just saying, he tells you this if you romanced him in ME1 he always leaves away out so he doesn't get hurt again.

[Han Shot First]

I blamed her for It as she gives Bioware a reason to merge both Kaiden and Ash in too the same character..... I mean they both have kneejerk reaction and it sounds way out of Character for a calm guy looking for other options or away out. Just saying, he tells you this if you romanced him in ME1 he always leaves away out so he doesn't get hurt again.

 

The Virmire decision had absolutely nothing to do with Liara, and probably would have existed in the game had she never been written. Virmire more than anything else is responsible for Ashley and Kaidan being treated as two halves of the same character. It reduced the amount of seperate content Bioware had to create for them post-Virmire.

[Ryriena]

The Virmire decision had absolutely nothing to do with Liara, and probably would have existed in the game had she never been written. Virmire more than anything else is responsible for Ashley and Kaidan being treated as two halves of the same character. It reduced the amount of seperate content Bioware had to create for them post-Virmire.

Yeah, I still blame her for the reduction of their characters. I love how you don't admit that Casey said she's her favorite character. And she doesn't even tell them she gave the body to Cebrus, so the VS gets sidelined by her. Yeah my Shepard blames T'soni knowing how my Shepard fully feels about this group...."

[Han Shot First]

Yeah, I still blame her for the reduction of their characters. 

 

Well, that is completely illogical.

 

Liara had absolutely nothing to do with the Virmire decision, just as Garrus, Tali, and Wrex had nothing to do with it. It is something that almost certainly would have existed in the game even if every character except Ashley and Kaidan were different. Also since Liara is a fictional character, she is hardly responsible for what content is written or isn't written into a game. Real people known as writers are responsible for that.

 

 

Ryriena, on 26 Apr 2014 - 10:26 AM

 

I love how you don't admit that Casey said she's her favorite character.

 

Straw man

 

I haven't said anything at all about Casey Hudson in this thread.

[themikefest]

Yeah, I still blame her for the reduction of their characters. I love how you don't admit that Casey said she's her favorite character. And she doesn't even tell them she gave the body to Cebrus, so the VS gets sidelined by her. Yeah my Shepard blames T'soni knowing how my Shepard fully feels about this group...."

I agree with Han Shot First. You can't blame T'soni about the Virmire decision. It would be hard to do since you can rescue her after the Virmire mission. As much as I hate Liara I will not hold her responsible for the Virmire decision