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[geezer117]

I’m working on the vanilla characters. The Hdept, Hsen and Novaguard are pretty straightforward, but I can’t get the Hsol to work. The powers seem to work against each other.

 

I can do OK with the no-grenade build. But AR and CS work against each other. When things are tense, I need to spam AR and then I have no CS, so no staggers or tech bursts. Only my weapons then, which need to be light to be able to spam AR. It all doesn’t work together. I can stay alive and contribute some, but it’s so meh. 

 

The weapons platform no-CS build avoids that problem, but the heavy weapons makes AR cooldown really slow, so the weapons buff is brief and infrequent. So that build is pretty much a flimsy version of the tankier soldiers. So why not play them instead?

 

So I settled on 63566 with 118% cooldown. I can’t seem to make it work. I need the AR to stay alive, but that gimps CS. And frag grenades are truly horrible. They slide right through spawns and explode harmlessly behind them. They bounce off anything in their way and ricochet. Throwing them against a nearby object usually has them explode where the targets are shielded by that object. Trying to hit phantoms or dragoons is futile. They only work throwing them against bosses. It’s like a claymore where two out of three shots are blanks. 

 

So I wind up staying outside the fight and throwing my mediocre DPS in wherever I can. Again, so meh. 

 

What makes the Hsol worth playing? 

[ForceGhost]

Uh, lolwat?

Claymore.



Seriously.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

Claymore

Typhoon

Widow

Harrier

Javelin

Venom

Wraith

Krysae (seriously)

Talon

Arc Pistol

[Ryuji2]

http://kalence.drupa...24W53364!F37AGG Or Claymore.

 

Use CS only to make an enemy stop shooting you or to stagger them. Use grenades by bouncing them off walls near the enemy or kind of at point blank if you want to hit a lot at once. Otherwise(with Raider) shoot twice, AR, shoot twice again. Dunks everything. Use reload trick to make it amazing.

[DarkFaerie316]

I never bother with AR tbh, I find it worthless. I stick with the grenades and CS, works a whole lot better

[hostaman]

I love the HSol, but there do tend to be just two optimal builds either 06666 (CS spam) or 60666 (AR spam).

 

I've tried both and for me the CS spam build works really well. You can simply alternate CS and gun fire with a nade thrown into groups.

I run him/her with the Warfighter package for max nades, and of course the Harrier with extended clip and pierce.

 

One of the few kits that works well with Cryo Ammo.

 

The optimal build is AR spam, but go with whichever suits your style.

[Muhkida]

AR + Typhoon = GGs

 

...and you don't even have to reload if you spec your HSol correctly.  Sound deafening glitch kicks in though.

[geezer117]

http://kalence.drupa...24W53364!F37AGG Or Claymore.

 

Use CS only to make an enemy stop shooting you or to stagger them. Use grenades by bouncing them off walls near the enemy or kind of at point blank if you want to hit a lot at once. Otherwise(with Raider) shoot twice, AR, shoot twice again. Dunks everything. Use reload trick to make it amazing.

This is a better weapons build than I was using. My wraith is only lvl I, so I'd do better with a claymore X. I really have ROTTEN luck (or skill) with frags. 

 

But am I wrong in figuring that with a 5 second AR duration and a 3 second recharge speed, the double tap is available only every 8 seconds? or am I mistaken?

 

Also, my bias is that any build that needs a cyclonic III or IV is not fundamentally sound. That's just me. I have to make it work with no cyclonic first, then I'll add crutches later. 

[hostaman]

This is a better weapons build than I was using. My wraith is only lvl I, so I'd do better with a claymore X. I really have ROTTEN luck (or skill) with frags. 

 

But am I wrong in figuring that with a 5 second AR duration and a 3 second recharge speed, the double tap is available only every 8 seconds? or am I mistaken?

 

Also, my bias is that any build that needs a cyclonic III or IV is not fundamentally sound. That's just me. I have to make it work with no cyclonic first, then I'll add crutches later. 

 

Isn't that a bit like saying every kit should work with a common weapon on all difficulties?

 

You always have the choice of using shield gear like a stronghold package and picking consumable like Adrenaline or Power recharge.

 

Every kit is a compromise balancing the various parameters.

[geezer117]

I never bother with AR tbh, I find it worthless. I stick with the grenades and CS, works a whole lot better

Your and Hostaman's 06666 build is one I hadn't considered. I suppose with full fitness and Stronghold I could work it. That would solve the basic problem I'm having that the powers just fight against each other. There goes my last respec card, I guess. 

[robarcool]

Claymore, Javelin, Typhhon. Hell, I have done reasonably well with human soldier with the frigging GPSMG.

[Dunvi]

Your and Hostaman's 06666 build is one I hadn't considered. I suppose with full fitness and Stronghold I could work it. That would solve the basic problem I'm having that the powers just fight against each other. There goes my last respec card, I guess. 

 

You really are best off picking either AR or CS to focus on. Maybe having some pity points in the other, but not really...

 

I would absolutely say the more "viable" build is the AR build. Definitely more powerful, if you can shoot. CS is a little more "interesting" than just shoot-all-the-things but really sorta breaks down into either stagger-shoot (which isn't very good IMO because you're losing so much weapon damage on a weapon-dependent character) or an elemental ammo prime > CS for the explosion which is definitely fun, but maybe not as good.

[DarkFaerie316]

Your and Hostaman's 06666 build is one I hadn't considered. I suppose with full fitness and Stronghold I could work it. That would solve the basic problem I'm having that the powers just fight against each other. There goes my last respec card, I guess.

I've tried making AR work with CS and the grenades but I can't. It just does not do anything for me but get me killed. So I decided just to ignore it altogether and I have found I can do well with the HSol without it

[Excella Gionne]

VANILLA ICE-CREAM! THE BEST!

[ForceGhost]

I use 25666.

I do better with this kit when I only have two points to spend, therefore no dilemmas. Building for level 20 is a bit overkill TBH, if you know your gun. Claymore + RC + Claymore then AR instant reload Claymore = they're dead!

The trick is to use the powers situationally, and emphasize your gunplay by pretending you only have grenades and AR. Only use Con Shot when you know you won't need an instant reload. This will end up being wave dependent: some waves you will AR Claymore all the things, other waves you might Ammo Power/Concussive shot all the things. Bosses hate Claymore on AR.

[geezer117]

I went with 06666, and it works for me. Dropping AR just made things so much simpler. Plays kind of like a weapons based sentinel, which suits me. 

 

I feel better now. This Hsol was getting me down. Thanks for all the advice. 

[iOnlySignIn]

Try the 7 shot Raider, you must.

[Deerber]

If you drop AR, you're not playing a human soldier. Just sayin'...

Use a harrier, put 3 points only in CS, and pop all da heads.

[capn233]

I don't have a problem with CS competing with ARush because my no-CS Human Soldier is by far my favorite.  Guns Guns Guns, that's how you make it work.

 

No he doesn't tank like some of the other weapon focused Soldiers but he is more maneuverable.  And you can actually set him up to tank semi-respectably if you take Hardening at Rank 4 of ARush.

 

On the female Human Soldier, I do have both CS and ARush, but in that mode CS is used for combos on mooks, while ARush pretty much stays off unless I need bonus damage for big targets, or possibly if I need some shields back along with DR.

 

BF3 works a bit differently since I have it set to the FE spam build with ARush (Bonus Power), Carnage, and Frags... I don't recommend Bonus Power for the CS HSols.

[OniGanon]

Rather than skipping Adrenaline Rush entirely, try sticking just 2 ranks in it. NOT 3 ranks, just 2.

 

This allows you to use AR as an ammo refill and damage boost, while minimising the time it locks you out of other powers.

[Aetika]

I don´t know, HS feels pretty straightforward to me. I use AR build and Harrier - AR + shoot, shoot/grenades, AR+ shoot. Harrier is good enough, so you are still effective even when you are waiting for AR. Grenades are usefull for stagger. The only backdraw is Harrier ammo need.

[Serrin2]

A lot of fun is a 06666 build with falcon x and cryo IV and spam CS...... nice cryo explosions. :-)

[lightswitch]

OP, just a hunch, but I'm going to guess that you'll do better with a build designed for Concussion Shot spam. Use elemental ammo and spam CS at everything for crowd control. Throw lots of frags grenades. Try the 0/6/6/6/6 build the poster above me suggested, or maybe 3/6/6/6/5 with just a few points in Adrenaline Rush only for when you need a little extra weapon damage versus bosses.

 

fwiw I agree the HSol is a fairly meh kit kit. The DPS is meh, the grenades are meh, the tanking ability is meh, the mobility is meh (run speed too slow), the crowd control is meh...there's just nothing about this guy that is really kick ass. None of it is bad, but none of it is great either.

[Chealec]

These are how I spec mine:

 

Human Male Crusader build (6/0/6/6/6)

AR makes it a kit worth putting the Crusader on. 4 shots, AR, 4 more shots, reload.

 

Human Female Conc Shot spammer build (4/6/6/6/4)

Indra gives you a 200% CD and is great for pasting Cryo ammo to get full advantage of the Shatter evo in Conc Shot.