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[Former_Fiend]

I want to address this; then I'll stop being offtopic.

For me, it is less about his character design being attractive and more about his character concept being intensely interesting.

...not that blonde-haired pretty boys aren't attractive, of course...

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I stand behind the theory that Cole is a spirit that has somehow managed to pass through the Veil and maintain a physical form... somewhat, anyway. And at great cost.
What we know about spirits and demons in Thedas is both limited and always heavily colored by the biases of whomever we learn from. While my characters usually have an opinion, as a player my view on spirits and demons is fairly neutral. I don't believe they are inherently good or evil. They are beings that are different from mortals, and their yearning to experience mortal life is something I find intriguing.

A romance plot with Cole (an aged-up, more self-aware Cole) would interest me for the potential both for character development and learning more about what he is and how he came to be. Of course, a romance is not necessary for either of those things, and if Cole is a companion I'm sure I'll be satisfied anyway. But if Cole is a spirit who now has a shot at living a mortal life, I'm curious how he would view love and intimacy, since spirits seem to crave such experiences. The concept of the Inquisitor teaching Cole about mortal life (and perhaps love) may really rub some people the wrong way, and I understand why... but I think it could be heartwarming. I'd like for my mage Inquisitor to be a positive influence on Cole and maybe help him find a way to secure his mortal existence.

...I could continue, but hopefully that offers a bit of insight.

 

It seems to me, and I could be misunderstanding you, but it seems to me that you're not so much interested in Cole, specifically, but rather in the idea of romancing a spirit who doesn't quite know what it is?

[Ryzaki]

...Well as a straight female if I got Cole as a romance option I might flip a table.

 

Ken in P3P was fine because LOL Japan. BW does that crap and no.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I said it before, but if my Inquisitor catches Cole peepiing on her when she is getting dressed like he did with Evangeline we're going to have problems.

[CENIC]

It seems to me, and I could be misunderstanding you, but it seems to me that you're not so much interested in Cole, specifically, but rather in the idea of romancing a spirit who doesn't quite know what it is?

Indeed; the concept is a big draw to me. The fact that Cole looks like Evan Peters is just icing on the cake.

[Ryzaki]

I said it before, but if my Inquisitor catches Cole peepiing on her when she is getting dressed like he did with Evangeline we're going to have problems.

 

Didn't he have a complete non reaction to that?

 

And yeah Quizzy might send a skeleton horde after him if that happens.

[Former_Fiend]

Cole has pure heart. He is honest and devoted. He is a mystery, and secrets attract people.
Though he is dangerous, I can't deny that, it just adds to his charm in my opinion.

 

I personally can't get why so many ppl want Cullen so much. It's nothing in him for me.

Though I don't make it a problem.

Why do ppl always use this argument when they lack of other arguments?
I don't know what would happen if Cole was a female. I just know that i wouldn't want Li with her. Because I'm stright, that's all.
You, boys have better pieces of romance in every game, and still you complain?

 

It's not a strawman argument I'm throwing at something I don't like, it's how I honestly feel on the subject.

 

Cole is a child; whatever else he may be, a ghost, a spirit, a demon, a hedgemage, a miniature giant space hamster in the form of a man, he is someone with the mentality of a child. That was something that was clear to me from the first moment I read the book, before I saw Gaider's comments on the subject. 

 

Being pure, being honest, being devoted, these are all good qualities, but they're also qualities that are often found in children. Cole's honesty is childish, his devotion is childish, his fear is childish. It's not that they aren't valid emotions, but the way he expresses them, the way he feels them, that's the way a child feels these things. 

[Nika]

You guys should really stop with that Cole romance thing, as an educator-to-be you make me cringe

It's been said countless times that Cole has the mind of a child.

Even if you explained sex to him, he still wouldn't get it because sexuality is something that developes as we grow older.

The fact that he was abused makes it even worse, and usually delays the development of ones own sexuality even further, not to mention the difficulties they face trusting people.

[Former_Fiend]

Indeed; the concept is a big draw to me. The fact that Cole looks like Evan Peters is just icing on the cake.

 

Alright, that is something I can understand. It is a potentially interesting concept.

 

But when applied to Cole, specifically, I get hung up on the "mind of a child" thing.

[Ianamus]

I wouldn't mind Cole as a romance from what I've heard about him, though bear in mind I've never read Asunder. 

 

Mysterious blonde guy from another world who is confused, angry and doesn't understand what he is? I can see the appeal. 

 

The whole "mind of a child" thing is a big turn off however. If they wrote it so that he had "grown up" mentally as he became more anchored to the real world then It would be fine, but I just don't think he will be an option at all.

[Milan92]

...Well as a straight female if I got Cole as a romance option I might flip a table.

 

Ken in P3P was fine because LOL Japan. BW does that crap and no.

 

Ken was a romance option? 

 

Also, don't worry about Cole. I think I read that it was confirmed that he isn't gonna be a romance.

[Isaidlunch]

For me, it's the combination of being a spirit, looking like Evan Peters and being a younger character then what we typically get for male LI's. Unfortunately, he's a bit too young and therefore I'm more interested in what he could have been rather than what he actually is - I've been dying for a male Merrill sort of romance and this could have been an amazing opportunity for that. But I totally understand that it's not what Gaider intended for Cole, and I'll just accept the character for what it actually is.

[Former_Fiend]

I wouldn't mind Cole as a romance from what I've heard about him, though bear in mind I've never read Asunder. 

 

Mysterious blonde guy from another world who is confused, angry and doesn't understand what he is? I can see the appeal. 

 

The whole "mind of a child" thing is a big turn off however. If they wrote it so that he had "grown up" mentally as he became more anchored to the real world then It would be fine, but I just don't think he will be an option at all.

 

See, that creates an entirely different issue for me. The whole, if you eventually replace every part of a boat with new parts, is it still the same boat, quandary.

 

I don't mind Cole developing and growing into a character(though I think the idea of doing that specifically so he'd be viable as a romance is creepy in and of itself), but if he enters the game having gone through that development, with all the other changes that have been made to him both in and out of the books, I start to question if he's still the same character in more than name.

[daveliam]

For me, it's the combination of being a spirit, looking like Evan Peters and being a younger character then what we typically get for male LI's. Unfortunately, he's a bit too young and therefore I'm more interested in what he could have been rather than what he actually is - I've been dying for a male Merrill sort of romance and this could have been an amazing opportunity for that. But I totally understand that it's not what Gaider intended for Cole, and I'll just accept the character for what it actually is.

 

Wasn't Alistair kind of the male Merrill?  They were both young, naive, virginal, and kind of goofy.  I see clear comparisons between them, although I've never romanced either, so I'm not sure.

[Sirinoeles1]

It's not a strawman argument I'm throwing at something I don't like, it's how I honestly feel on the subject.

 

Cole is a child; whatever else he may be, a ghost, a spirit, a demon, a hedgemage, a miniature giant space hamster in the form of a man, he is someone with the mentality of a child. That was something that was clear to me from the first moment I read the book, before I saw Gaider's comments on the subject. 

 

Being pure, being honest, being devoted, these are all good qualities, but they're also qualities that are often found in children. Cole's honesty is childish, his devotion is childish, his fear is childish. It's not that they aren't valid emotions, but the way he expresses them, the way he feels them, that's the way a child feels these things. 

Should I answer the questions which were answered already? OK

 

And being "child-like" doesn't equate to being a child.

Besides, children tend to grow, you know.

In fact, I hope Cole will change more. I hope he will progress and I'm dying to see this.

[Ryzaki]

Ken was a romance option? 

 

Also, don't worry about Cole. I think I read that it was confirmed that he isn't gonna be a romance.

 

Yes they tried to edit it for the english version but it's still pretty damn blatant what they actually did. LOL It's not so bad cause the femPC's a kid too and Ken's mature for his age. Inquisitor grown though so no. :X

 

Gaider said he'd preferred Cole not to be a romance right? That's not the same as a no D:

[Former_Fiend]

You're right, being child like doesn't equate being a child.

 

You're just wrong about which side of that divide Cole sits on.

[CENIC]

But when applied to Cole, specifically, I get hung up on the "mind of a child" thing.

Yeah. If done wrong, such a romance plot would be creepy and evoke "grooming" and abuse, none of which I am cool with. I don't think the Cole we see in most of Asunder would work. It's "epilogue" Cole that preserves my interest in the concept.

[Milan92]

Gaider said he'd preferred Cole not to be a romance right? That's not the same as a no D:

 

Did he say that? I've never read what he said exactly so I'm not sure. But if he doesn't prefer Cole as a romance then I doubt he'll get one..... 

[javeart]

I think I could see something that would make every companion a nice LI for me: it's not like I'm oppossed to good looking men (Cullen, DHMG), and, so far, I've liked a lot every rogue we hava had (Sera, Varric) and every male elf (Solas), a female warrior (Cass) and an older man (GW) would also be an interesting hange, an I could even considered IB if he lets me call him Sten   But I really think I could never go through a romance with Cole. I know one should never say never, but I'm saying it: never 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Didn't he have a complete non reaction to that?

 

And yeah Quizzy might send a skeleton horde after him if that happens.

Yeah, he was unfazed since he had no idea how humans reacted to such things.

[Ryzaki]

Did he say that? I've never read what he said exactly so I'm not sure. But if he doesn't prefer Cole as a romance then I doubt he'll get one..... 

 

From what I can recall of the thread yeah. I hope that means Cole's definitely out.

 

 

Yeah, he was unfazed since he had no idea how humans reacted to such things.

 

Ah.

 

Yeah this is one of those requests I don't get. =/ I just completely and utterly fail to see the appeal.
 

[Hellion Rex]

Did he say that? I've never read what he said exactly so I'm not sure. But if he doesn't prefer Cole as a romance then I doubt he'll get one..... 

He said flat out that he was not a romance option.

[Milan92]

That confirms it then. You can rest easy Ryzaki

[Former_Fiend]

Yeah. If done wrong, such a romance plot would be creepy and evoke "grooming" and abuse, none of which I am cool with. I don't think the Cole we see in most of Asunder would work. It's "epilogue" Cole that preserves my interest in the concept.

 

While its very hard to gauge from what little we get of Epilogue Cole, I don't think that scene rules out his continued childish nature. Children can be cruel and vindictive, after all.

[Isaidlunch]

As creepy as it sounds, I'm hoping the fact that Cole isn't a romance doesn't mean there isn't any heart dialogue options for him. I mean, if I was the Inquisitor and Evan Peters suddenly appeared...

 

 

Wasn't Alistair kind of the male Merrill?  They were both young, naive, virginal, and kind of goofy.  I see clear comparisons between them, although I've never romanced either, so I'm not sure.

 

Yeah, I suppose. He wasn't available for same-sex romance though and his sense of humor got old real fast (within 5 minutes of meeting him in Ostagar). I'd take Merrill's endearing naiveness over Alistair's sarcasm any day of the week.