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Maybe because there were so many people asking for them.

I don't know about this. They didn't seem that popular in threads I saw. Most people were saying they didn't want them replacing companions romances. It seemed like most people only wanted them as an extra thing, to me.  :unsure:



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Maybe because there were so many people asking for them.

I disagree. I have never seen an overwhelming amount of desire for NPC romances in a BioWare game.



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I don't know about this. They didn't seem that popular in threads I saw. Most people were saying they didn't want them replacing companions romances. It seemed like most people only wanted them as an extra thing, to me.  :unsure:

 

People wanted romances between companions and the devs did them this favor (for example Tali/Garrus). People wanted a character who rejects you and they decided it has to be Aveline, People wanted NPC's and they gave them some (Kelly, Steve, Smanatha)...Well, they try to implemnt the things people mention..



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Why do you guys think they decided to add NPC romances over just including more companion romances? Do you think they just didn't have 6 companions suitable for a romance for story reasons?  

Hm. A good question. A part of me thinks they'll be the bisexual romances, reflecting on how it couldn't be interpreted as one sexuality vs. the other. For example, somebody could complain that Samantha and Cortez in ME3 - both exclusively homosexual romances - were added as "gay side options" as NPC's. Not that I agree with this argument, mind you, but I feel that with bisexual NPC romances, nobody is "left out" as it were.
So you could romance the gender and style of character you want.

Picture you want to romance a male character, with a choice of either a companion or an NPC. You could romance the guy who is fighting alongside you, or you could to romance the guy who stays back at base and catches up with you after the day is done. Basically, you could go along with whichever style of character you prefer.

My brain isn't functioning today, so I apologize if my theory is poorly expressed through text.  <_<



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Well don't blame me. Sure I've been advocating NPC LI's since the beginning, but if I had the power to influence Bioware, we'd still be going to Nevarra.


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What I don't understand is, why wouldn't they just make 6 companion romances if they were putting even more effort into creating a whole new system for NPCs to be almost as important as companions? What is the benefit of it being NPCs if not that they're easy to do, like they have been in the past? I'm a bit skeptical of NPC romances, because I can't see much other reason for them to exist other than that they usually take less resources.  

 

Why do you guys think they decided to add NPC romances over just including more companion romances? Do you think they just didn't have 6 companions suitable for a romance for story reasons?  

 

I suppose it's just a different type of story they wanted to tell. Perhaps they added the advisor slots and realized they had an opportunity for NPC romances that didn't suck.  :lol: I've wanted NPC romances since ME1 (Joker, alas!) because the idea of having someone to come back to interests me. That the LI could be doing something completely different than what my PC was doing appeals to me. But I understand why it wouldn't for others.



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What I don't understand is, why wouldn't they just make 6 companion romances if they were putting even more effort into creating a whole new system for NPCs to be almost as important as companions?


Because people have been asking for a Cullen romance and Cullen is an non-companion.

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Remember people: Gaider is not accountable for what he writes. 

 

Mockingword's point is correct.  David may be the Lead Writer but there are people that have greater authority over how to direct the entire team and what content makes it into the game than David has.


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#3334
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Because people have been asking for a Cullen romance and Cullen is an non-companion.

But, as David has said numerous times, people asking for the romance alone wouldn't sway BioWare into making him an LI.



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But, as David has said numerous times, people asking for the romance alone wouldn't sway BioWare into making him an LI.

 

Yep, if that was the case Leliana would be an LI again



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What I don't understand is, why wouldn't they just make 6 companion romances if they were putting even more effort into creating a whole new system for NPCs to be almost as important as companions? What is the benefit of it being NPCs if not that they're easy to do, like they have been in the past? I'm a bit skeptical of NPC romances, because I can't see much other reason for them to exist other than that they usually take less resources.  

 

Why do you guys think they decided to add NPC romances over just including more companion romances? Do you think they just didn't have 6 companions suitable for a romance for story reasons?  

 

They might be experimenting with this as a new way to do romances. In that case, totally revising the system might make players very unhappy. A mix is a good way to test the waters. 



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What I don't understand is, why wouldn't they just make 6 companion romances if they were putting even more effort into creating a whole new system for NPCs to be almost as important as companions? What is the benefit of it being NPCs if not that they're easy to do, like they have been in the past? I'm a bit skeptical of NPC romances, because I can't see much other reason for them to exist other than that they usually take less resources.  

 

Why do you guys think they decided to add NPC romances over just including more companion romances? Do you think they just didn't have 6 companions suitable for a romance for story reasons?  

 

A non-companion romance could be an extra or they are (is) there to make sure there is "at least 2 choices" for everyone. Also, the characters all have back-stories, personality and story-arc and being a romance might not fit all the time.

 

Also, their might not be 6 romances, there is a 5 romances sexuality split that allow everyone to have at least 2 choices (it's worth repeating, the dev only talked about number of choices and their being different sexuality, not that everything was evenly split for everyone).



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But, as David has said numerous times, people asking for the romance alone wouldn't sway BioWare into making him an LI.

 

But he did say Bioware would listen. I'm sure that if it's consistent with the creative direction, they do want to reward fans and give them something they're passionate about in game. 


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I still believe firmly that 1 bisexual, 1 lesbian, 1 straight woman, 1 bisexual, 1 gay, and 1 straight guy companions
And then 2 bisexual non companions of each gender.

That way each person has 2 options of companions, and 3 total, irregardless of sexuality.

Cassandra is so big I think she should be Bi
Vivienne has appealed to women a lot more than men and I think she is a lesbian
And that leaves Sera as straight
Scribbles will probably be bisexual

I think Cullen will be the bisexual extra companion
Cole was outright stated to not be romanceable.
So that leaves Varric, Warden, Solas, Iron Bull, and DMHG

At this point, who of those 5 guys are romanceable or not is undetermined. I think it would be Warden, varric, and DHMG, but not even remotely confident in that

 

There is that possibility that Varric might not be romancable. Wasn't that hinted in one of the recent articles? 



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But he did say Bioware would listen. I'm sure that if it's consistent with the creative direction, they do want to reward fans and give them something they're passionate about in game. 

I was responding to the point that the Cullen romance was a thing only because fans were asking for it (ignoring the whole creative direction facet).



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There is that possibility that Varric might not be romancable. Wasn't that hinted in one of the recent articles? 

 

Cameron said, paraphrasing, that he was still hung up on Bianca. Beside, in DA2, Varric says he is not into human anyway (you need to have him in the party while visiting Merrill and doing a specific romance dialog with her...it's sort of creepy).



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Yep, if that was the case Leliana would be an LI again

Yep. And the Warden would kill the Inquisitor who tried to flirt with the bard

...Oh, wait



#3343
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Banter a pretty big thing and then there's the whole experiencing the unfolding story together which a companion has over an NPC.

I certainly badly missed Miranda as my companion romance in ME3 when she was just an NPC met a various points throughout the game in comparison with the joyous experience in ME2 where she was there 24/7 alongside me as the story unfolded.

 

This. Yep, Shepard while the world is falling, basically spent almost one year without his Li beside him except for a few days. Wow, awesome.  <_<

 

That's why I finally always choose Ashley over Miranda in M3, it's simply not fun to think that your Li is far away from you most of time during the adventure. Especially that we should have been able to take Miranda with us once we helped her with her sister. That didn't really make sense. I loved having Miranda at my side 24/7 in M2. I have no playthrough with my maleshep without her in my party. It's easier to develop their story in my mind. But in M3, I didn't succeed. 

 

Fortunately I had Ashley, because If my other favorite LI was Jack, I would have been very unhappy in M3 with the romance content ... 



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I was responding to the point that the Cullen romance was a thing only because fans were asking for it (ignoring the whole creative direction facet).

 

Fair. I understand. 



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People wanted romances between companions and the devs did them this favor (for example Tali/Garrus). People wanted a character who rejects you and they decided it has to be Aveline, People wanted NPC's and they gave them some (Kelly, Steve, Smanatha)...Well, they try to implemnt the things people mention..

 

Who wanted NPCs? I certainly never wanted the gay romance option to be an NPC. I think the only reason they even made Cortez is because they decided to make same-sex options for everyone. Kaidan was going to be dead for a lot of people. So they needed another character for mShep without Kaidan. For whatever reason they didn't want the only new male squad member Vega to be gay or bisexual so instead Cortez was created.



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I have seen people ask for NPCs, but the majority of people always seemed pretty against NPCs replacing a companion romance slot. I have a hard time thinking they would have believed it was popular opinion to want them to do that. It seems to me that it's probably either that they didn't have enough companions that fit the LI build inside the story they wanted to tell about them, or they really didn't have enough resources for a full 6 companions LIs, in which case the NPCs will be more like the ones we've seen in ME.  



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Who wanted NPCs? I certainly never wanted the gay romance option to be an NPC. I think the only reason they even made Cortez is because they decided to make same-sex options for everyone. Kaidan was going to be dead for a lot of people. So they needed another character for mShep without Kaidan. For whatever reason they didn't want the only new male squad member Vega to be gay or bisexual so instead Cortez was created.

 

Well, I don't remember their names anymore but I saw some people who want this. ^^

 

not exactly with Steve, it was more in general.



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That you know of.

 

María Caliban for romanceable NPC in DA Inquisition.


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#3349
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I have seen people ask for NPCs, but the majority of people always seemed pretty against NPCs replacing a companion romance slot. I have a hard time thinking they would have believed it was popular opinion to want them to do that. It seems to me that it's probably either that they didn't have enough companions that fit the LI build inside the story they wanted to tell about them, or they really didn't have enough resources for a full 6 companions LIs, in which case the NPCs will be more like the ones we've seen in ME.  

 

Did the majority want someone who rejects you like Aveline? And still they added this, because some people mentioned this as a good idea.



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Who wanted NPCs? I certainly never wanted the gay romance option to be an NPC. I think the only reason they even made Cortez is because they decided to make same-sex options for everyone. Kaidan was going to be dead for a lot of people. So they needed another character for mShep without Kaidan. For whatever reason they didn't want the only new male squad member Vega to be gay or bisexual so instead Cortez was created.

 

I want NPC Li's, though I don't particularly care what orientation they are.

 

I think NPC Li's offer the potential for stories that the DA team hasn't told yet, and that you can't tell with companion LI's.

 

I think NPC LI's make the world feel bigger in that you don't feel forced to choose from this group of people you take out with you on adventures.

 

I think NPC LI's offer greater variety in both LI's and companions, as you're now free to design companions who don't also have to be LI's and LI's who don't also have to be companions.

 

So, yea, I support the concept.


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