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But, as David has said numerous times, people asking for the romance alone wouldn't sway BioWare into making him an LI.
Did the majority want someone who rejects you like Aveline? And still they added this, because some people mentioned this as a good idea.
That was something they could add without really alienating the people that didn't want it. She wasn't going to be an LI either way. It's different than cutting down the overall amount of companion LIs for at least a couple demographics, if not everyone. That's a major change that effects more people than were asking for it.
Anyways, do you really believe that one dev will blatantly tell you " yep we also included Cullen as Li because he was popular and many people asked for him as well " ?
There are many things in the process that will never be told to you.
That was something they could add without really alienating the people that didn't want it. She wasn't going to be an LI either way. It's different than cutting down the overall amount of companion LIs for at least a couple demographics, if not everyone. That's a major change that effects more people than were asking for it.
Maybe they haven't recognized how adding NPC stuff would affect the romance system, because they concentrated on giving each sexual orientation the same amount of romances and forgot about creating as many companion romances as in previous games...or the NPC romances are story relevated and developed very well. or we'll get 8 LI's this time..or Cullen is just additional content...who knows.
Did the majority want someone who rejects you like Aveline? And still they added this, because some people mentioned this as a good idea.
Aveline added realism to the game. I had no issues with the fact that she was NOT interested in my male or female Hawkes. I didn't need every single character to fall in love with them.
Maybe they haven't recognized how adding NPC stuff would affect the romance system, because they concentrated on giving each sexual orientation the same amount of romances and forgot about creating as many companion romances as in previous games...or the NPC romances are story relevated and developed very well. or we'll get 8 LI's this time..or Cullen is just additional content...who knows.
That there are actually 7-8 LIs with 6 companions LIs and 1-2 NPC romances is always a possibility, that's true. We keep working on the 2/2/2 assumption, but we don't know what the real number is.
I want NPC Li's, though I don't particularly care what orientation they are.
I think NPC Li's offer the potential for stories that the DA team hasn't told yet, and that you can't tell with companion LI's.
I think NPC LI's make the world feel bigger in that you don't feel forced to choose from this group of people you take out with you on adventures.
I think NPC LI's offer greater variety in both LI's and companions, as you're now free to design companions who don't also have to be LI's and LI's who don't also have to be companions.
So, yea, I support the concept.
Maybe they do have untapped potential. I'm sure they could be great ways of telling new and different stories, but that's not what we've seen so far.
Frankly the NPCs of ME3 were a half-assed job of trying to include gay and lesbian people.
Maybe they do have untapped potential. I'm sure they could be great ways of telling new and different stories, but that's not what we've seen so far.
Frankly the NPCs of ME3 were a half-assed attempt of trying to include gay and lesbian people.
And I get that argument. I just see it as a challenge for the DA team to do better.
Aveline added realism to the game. I had no issues with the fact that she was interested in my male or female Hawkes. I didn't need every single character to fall in love with them.
well, NPC's add realism as well, because not every person you fall in love with has to be in your party. I still prefer companion romances though.
Maybe they do have untapped potential. I'm sure they could be great ways of telling new and different stories, but that's not what we've seen so far.
Frankly the NPCs of ME3 were a half-assed job of trying to include gay and lesbian people.
I know it's easy to point at ME irt DA (I do it, too) but they are different teams. And it's really not fair to judge DA based on ME.
I know it's easy to point at ME irt DA (I do it, too) but they are different teams. And it's really not fair to judge DA based on ME.
Even if it was the same team, it doesn't preclude us from learning about what worked, what went wrong, where could we improve, and what should we focus on.
I know it's easy to point at ME irt DA (I do it, too) but they are different teams. And it's really not fair to judge DA based on ME.
I'm just angry about how it was done in ME3. I really hope the NPCs in Iquisition won't be like them.
Even if it was the same team, it doesn't preclude us from learning about what worked, what went wrong, where could we improve, and what should we focus on.
I agree. It's a talking point, at least. And something we can point to as an example of what we do/do not want in regards to something that's going to be potentially/definitely implemented in future installments.
I'm just angry about how it was done in ME3. I really hope the NPCs in Iquisition won't be like them.
I was more upset over Samantha's than Steve's, and even his lacked in some areas. Mostly, there was not much for conversations after the romance was triggered except for the pre-Cerberus stuff. At least he had his shirt off for the romance scene. (I will forever be wtf about Bra-Showers and Shepard going into them fully clothed.)
I generally have more faith in DA about romance than I do with ME, Garrus excepted.
Question: Would you still feel the same way if all the romance-centric content was equal between companions and NPC? Like, if there was no romance-specific content accessed "on the road" and all the romance stuff at the Keeps was balanced?
Or if there is "on-the road" content, but NPC romances had some NPC-centric romance content you get in lieu of "on the road" content...would you still think that they're not of equal value?
When you think about it, virtually all the romance content typically takes place in the "home base" anyway: The party camp or Hawke estate, the Normandy, etc.
Is it? I remember reading a long time ago that the same Gaider didn't like non-companion romances and we are getting at least one of them (Cullen).
The idea is to have at least two choices per preferences, not equality. They also decided on set sexuality (as in some are going to be gay, some are going to be straight and others bisexual), but it doesn't mean it is going to be equal across genders.
There could be across both gender a single gay-only romance, a single straight romance and all the rest are bisexual for all we know. Basically something like this:
2 bisexual women gives 2 straight men choices and 2 lesbian choices.
1 gay and 1 bisexual and 1 straight men gives 2 gay choices and 2 straight women choices.
Everyone get at least 2 choices, there is a mix of sexuality among the characters and there is only 5 romances.
Ok, I never bothered to do the math, but certainly, if there's a way to do it with only 5 romances, I think that woud be the safest bet. Maybe there's only one NPC romance (Cullen, bisexual), Sera and Cass (bisexual) and what? maybe Solas (straight) and Dorian (gay)? It' wouldn't be really fair (straight males get 2 companons LI) but, I don't know, it sounds very likely to me. I wish there were 8 romances, but I find it hard to believe we're going to be that lucky
I agree. It's a talking point, at least. And something we can point to as an example of what we do/do not want in regards to something that's going to be potentially/definitely implemented in future installments.
I was more upset over Samantha's than Steve's, and even his lacked in some areas. Mostly, there was not much for conversations after the romance was triggered except for the pre-Cerberus stuff. At least he had his shirt off for the romance scene. (I will forever be wtf about Bra-Showers and Shepard going into them fully clothed.)
I generally have more faith in DA about romance than I do with ME, Garrus excepted.
But at least Samantha didn't have that crappy -I lost my boyfriend- background story that Steve had.
Honestly, I kind of wonder about 6 companion LIs on the male side. There are clearly 3 traditionally attractive female companions, but what about the males? I know that Iron Bull, the warden and Varric have their own fans, but they're not the same sort of traditionally attractive look the females are. I have to wonder what the reaction would be if one of them was the exclusive option. I'm doubtful it would be positively received by the majority.
I was more upset over Samantha's than Steve's, and even his lacked in some areas. Mostly, there was not much for conversations after the romance was triggered except for the pre-Cerberus stuff. At least he had his shirt off for the romance scene. (I will forever be wtf about Bra-Showers and Shepard going into them fully clothed.)
I generally have more faith in DA about romance than I do with ME, Garrus excepted.
Just compare their faces to those of Ashley, Kaidan, Miranda. Says it all.
Honestly, I kind of wonder about 6 companion LIs on the male side. There are clearly 3 traditionally attractive female companions, but what about the males? I know that Iron Bull, the warden and Varric have their own fans, but they're not the same sort of traditionally attractive look the females are. I have to wonder what the reaction would be if one of them was the exclusive option. I'm doubtful it would be positively received by the majority.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. We won't know for sure until one of them does indeed become the "exclusive" option.
Just compare their faces to those of Ashley, Kaidan, Miranda. Says it all.
I liked Samantha's face more than Ashley's and Miranda's.
I thought Cortez looked especially generic and boring, but maybe it's just me. At least, in my opinion, the advisors for DA:I look as unique as the companions from what we've seen.
I liked Samantha's face more than Ashley's and Miranda's.
I'm not saying you shouldn't. I'm talking about the level of detail. There's a lot more effort put into the faces of Ashley and Miranda or any squad member for that matter. They're specially designed. The faces of Sam and Steve look like they were made with the character creator.
I thought Cortez looked especially generic and boring, but maybe it's just me. At least, in my opinion, the advisors for DA:I look as unique as the companions from what we've seen.
not only his face, Cortez was overall boring. I always romanced Kaidan. :-/
not only his face, Cortez was overall boring. I always romanced Kaidan. :-/
Me too. 
Honestly, I kind of wonder about 6 companion LIs on the male side. There are clearly 3 traditionally attractive female companions, but what about the males? I know that Iron Bull, the warden and Varric have their own fans, but they're not the same sort of traditionally attractive look the females are. I have to wonder what the reaction would be if one of them was the exclusive option. I'm doubtful it would be positively received by the majority.
While I think the majority of supporters of the Iron Bull and Beard Warden romances(I don't include Varric in that; aside from the fact that he's a dwarf, I think is rather conventionally handsome) want them because they just fit their tastes better, I think there's also a call for some greater variety and a simple change from the conventional mold.
It's not exclusive in regards to the male LI's; there's no small call for a dwarf or qunari female LI, either.
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