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Interracial relationships in the real world are different though, because well, everyone is human.
We use these other races as an analogue for real world cultures already. City elves are jews, dalish are roma, qunari are islamic confusionists. Whether they're human or not, still sends a bad message.
More to the point, it's a door Bioware's already opened. Qunari are closer to human than asari, drell, quarians, or turians are, but they're all ok to romance.
To me it just sends the wrong message regarding interracial relationships in the real world.
When we have a hundred love interests and can include the spectrum of people from "Elf who'll only romance other elves" to "dwarf who will only romance qunari because they have a size difference fetish", then, maybe, I'll support it.
It's not as extreme in the real world, though. You've got Humans of different color. Not tiny little Dwarves and giant horned creatures who could snap a Human in two with little effort. I can't see how a Dwarf and a Qunari could get along sexually. Romance is different, sure... But how often does one "fall in love" in DA and not have sex?
Interracial relationships in the real world are different though, because well, everyone is human.
Right, well biologically speaking, humans, elves, and dwarves in Thedas are all the same species as well, given that they can interbreed and produce viable offspring. That's the definition of a species, technically.
Although, now that I think of it, I guess we don't have any technical confirmation that a half-elf or half-dwarf isn't sterile. I know that Feynriel and Sandal are supposed to be half-elf and half-dwarf (respectively), but do we know of any who have reproduced?
And, of course, at this point, we don't know if qunari can reproduce with any of the other races. If so (and I tend to suspect so), then they would also be of the same species.
So, while the cultures are drastically different and their phenotype is pretty different, I guess that biologically, it wouldn't be that different than two "races" of humans having a child.
We're talking about sentient, sapient beings here. They may not be "human", but they're still fully intelligent, they have the full range of emotions that we do, they have culture, they have art, they have philosophy. There's no reason these people can't feel love or attraction for one another.
Although, now that I think of it, I guess we don't have any technical confirmation that a half-elf or half-dwarf isn't sterile. I know that Feynriel and Sandal are supposed to be half-elf and half-dwarf (respectively), but do we know of any who have reproduced?
No, we have no records of specific half elven or half dwarves that have reproduced.
Edit: I also think Sandal is half-elven, half dwarf, no?
We're talking about sentient, sapient beings here. They may not be "human", but they're still fully intelligent, they have the full range of emotions that we do, they have culture, they have art, they have philosophy. There's no reason these people can't feel love or attraction for one another.
The problem with fantasy and sci fi is that lots of species can be as you described. If a human is gonna love or be attracted to a hanar thats up to them, but coupling? I don't know.
If the Mass effect team was willing to make a turian/human romance I don't see why the Dragon age team should shy away from a human/qunari romance.
I don't think there's any information regarding what Sandal is, beyond a really weird dwarf.
No, we have no records of specific half elven or half dwarves that have reproduced.
Edit: I also think Sandal is half-elven, half dwarf, no?
Pretty sure Sandal is all Maker. But that's a whole 'nother conversation.
Pretty sure Sandal is all Maker. But that's a whole 'nother conversation.
Good grief!That avatar made me choke on my drink... 
Good grief!That avatar made me choke on my drink...
This is my third avatar today. Apparently Sir Dramatic Hands is a popular fella on here. Too much confusion.
Although, now that I think of it, I guess we don't have any technical confirmation that a half-elf or half-dwarf isn't sterile. I know that Feynriel and Sandal are supposed to be half-elf and half-dwarf (respectively), but do we know of any who have reproduced?
human/elven and dwarven/elven children are technically 100% human and dwarven respectively, so it wouldn't really make sense for them to be sterile.
We've had two relationships with two separate species who possess bodily fluids with are literally lethally toxic to ours, and vice versa. I don't see qunari being needing to practice a little caution in controlling their stength as being a stretch after that.
We've had two relationships with two separate species who possess bodily fluids with are literally lethally toxic to ours, and vice versa. I don't see qunari being needing to practice a little caution in controlling their stength as being a stretch after that.
Umm....darkspawn, and who is the other one?
We've had two relationships with two separate species who possess bodily fluids with are literally lethally toxic to ours, and vice versa. I don't see qunari being needing to practice a little caution in controlling their stength as being a stretch after that.
Even so, sounds like a whole lot of work for a "good time".
Umm....darkspawn, and who is the other one?
Garrus and Tali.
Garrus and Tali.
Oh, I thought you meant within Thedas.
To me it just sends the wrong message regarding interracial relationships in the real world.
To note, I am vehemently against racial restrictions as much as I am against gender/sex restrictions. I just could understand BW using racial restrictions before I could understand gender/sex restrictions in the context of the franchise; however, I don't want or endorse either restriction for a myriad of reasons (the one above being one of the many).
I am pro-everyone is loveable and anti-limits.
Oh, I thought you meant within Thedas.
Sorry I wasn't clear on that.
Anyway, my over all point is that in fantasy and science fiction use these other "races", "species", whatever you want to call them, as analogous to other cultures in the real world. Maybe not a specific real world culture, but the idea is that there's a culture divide, and it's there to be over come.
As someone who's been in several interracial relationships, and someone who has several family members who strongly condemn interracial relationships, I see a lot of the same mentality in placing race restrictions in these games as I have seen in the real world. The "they're not human" excuse is disturbingly close to "they're not like us, they're too different. We don't mix."
So, maybe I'm just biased against these restrictions, but it is a personal thing for me.
Deviija, the reason some people want limits on what the companion LIs prefer is that it's similar to real life. People have certain things they like or dislike in people they want to get into relationships with. Whether it be their sexual preference, racial preference, or even based on what you do, is a matter of what makes an NPC more believable to us and more realistic. I.E. I found it a bit hard to believe that Fenris was able to get into a relationship with a Hawke that was a mage and constantly supporting mages. It would be one thing if he moved on from his distrust of mages in general but we never really saw him do that.
Deviija, the reason some people want limits on what the companion LIs prefer is that it's similar to real life. People have certain things they like or dislike in people they want to get into relationships with. Whether it be their sexual preference, racial preference, or even based on what you do, is a matter of what makes an NPC more believable to us and more realistic. I.E. I found it a bit hard to believe that Fenris was able to get into a relationship with a Hawke that was a mage and constantly supporting mages. It would be one thing if he moved on from his distrust of mages in general but we never really saw him do that.
This right here, when applied to the racial limit, this annoys me. Because yes, there are people who aren't attracted to one race or another. There are also people who fetishize other races. There are examples of people fetishizing qunari in the series.
Any decision to limit a given character's preference based on race is wholely arbitrary. It doesn't make Cassandra a more defined character to have her only romance humans. It only gives her an added character quirk that contributes nothing to the overall whole and further limits the options the player has.
It only gives her an added character quirk that contributes nothing to the overall whole and further limits the options the player has
The same could be said of sexualities. Restricting Cassandra to just humans is no different than restricting her to just women, for example. Either way the player is limited in their choice.
Now, if they implemented both a gender gate AND a race gate, we'd have problems.
The same could be said of sexualities. Restricting Cassandra to just humans is no different than restricting her to just women, for example.
Now, if they implemented both a gender gate AND a race gate, we'd have problems.
I've made the same argument in regards to set sexualities, actually.
We use these other races as an analogue for real world cultures already. City elves are jews, dalish are roma, qunari are islamic confusionists. Whether they're human or not, still sends a bad message.
More to the point, it's a door Bioware's already opened. Qunari are closer to human than asari, drell, quarians, or turians are, but they're all ok to romance.
Yes, representing Jews, Roma, and Muslims as non-human does send a bad message. Especially as 97% of humans we've seen are white people with English accents.
I'm not quite sure it's the same bad message you're thinking of though.
I was getting more of a communist vibe from the qunari.
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