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Oh do point where I have ever used a RL arguement to. Please. That's not of course pointing out how DA isn't similar to our world.
The point is both sides use RL arguments, whether it is about Da being similar to our world or not. People use RL arguments to argue against that system. Everyone should drop this tangent then, not just when it bothers you.
Yes, because we all play video games in order to do what we do in real life.
But but...I thought I could throw fireballs from my hand NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
/Vadar
Also I'd rather have 4 Lis than anything. How's that wanting to bang everyone? 4/9 isn't anywhere near anyone in Thedas. 
I honestly don't understand why people deride the idea that others want to maximize the amount of LIs they could potentially choose from. In real life I'm not paying for the disappointment of rejection. We're all going to buy this game purely for entertainment purposes. What's going to be the most entertaining is clearly the most viable choice. That's the name of the medium we're working with. That's why the whole in game world swirls around your PC character and their choices ultimately shape the success and failure of practically every political faction. It's why you can choose to kill, exile, "harden", or otherwise change the life of almost every companion character. It's all there for your entertainment. If you think set sexualities are more entertaining, then we can debate that, but let's be intellectually honest about what we're discussing.
Personally, I can't see a viable way for set sexualities to have a major impact on the game. I don't see how they'll massively change the characters or story. I can't see how they could be an improvement on my enjoyment and I don't understand the argument as to how they change the experience for others. Thus, I'm against it. I'm willing to be honest about my intentions and I don't see any reason to be ashamed of just wanting to get the maximum amount of enjoyment out of an entertainment medium that I'm paying to experience.
But but...I thought I could throw fireballs from my hand NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
/Vadar
Also I'd rather have 4 Lis than anything. How's that wanting to bang everyone? 4/9 isn't anywhere near anyone in Thedas.
Here you go: NO!
4/12, actually. Cullen is not on of our 9 companions.
The point is both sides use RL arguments, whether it is about Da being similar to our world or not. People use RL arguments to argue against that system. Everyone should drop this tangent then, not just when it bothers you.
Then why would you bring it up then? Especially in a patronizing you wanna bang everyone way? Also it always bothers me but pointing out no DAI isn't like our world is not the same as going "but sexualities in our world (nvm that we don't even fully know how ours works and our data gathering is iffy) work like X so DAI should be like X"
I'd like this but I'm out. So virtual hug instead 
I was assuming out of 2/2/2 4 were companions XD I hope so at least. D:
Also I'd rather have 4 Lis than anything. How's that wanting to bang everyone? 4/9 isn't anywhere near anyone in Thedas.
I agree.
I'm quite happy with non-LI companions. I really like Vivienne but won't cry b/c she's not a romance option and I can't 'bang' her or whatever.
In fact, some of my favorite characters from games have been 'un-bangable'. Heck, I'd be happy if they removed romances all together.
When we start to talk about gender-gated romance content, that's a completely different beast. The devs took the time to add in a romance path for X character but then are saying 'nope' to you 'hey just roll a straight character to access this'. I just don't see the point of limiting them when there are only a handful of romances to begin with.
I'd like this but I'm out. So virtual hug instead
I was assuming out of 2/2/2 4 were companions XD I hope so at least. D:
It would have to at least be 4 companions.
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As would be LIs.
I don't see how the playersexual thing is good or better for representation of gay people, when the point is to remove strong indication of sexuality. The character isn't defined, the character isn't gay. The companion isn't aknowledged as gay by the players, except those who wish that.
And non-Li, in every game ? Meh.
Honestly I can understand gating romances off by gender/race/class.
Can add depth to a character to have them like a person but not in a romantic way.
Although really I also wonder if there will be quests that get locked out by the same ways as well.
All depends on how it is done in game really.
If I like a LI but they dont like my PC? Oh well.
I agree.
I'm quite happy with non-LI companions. I really like Vivienne but won't cry b/c she's not a romance option and I can't 'bang' her or whatever.
In fact, some of my favorite characters from games have been 'un-bangable'. Heck, I'd be happy if they removed romances all together.
When we start to talk about gender-gated romance content, that's a completely different beast. The devs took the time to add in a romance path for X character but then are saying 'nope' to you 'hey just roll a straight character to access this'. I just don't see the point of limiting them when there are only a handful of romances to begin with.
I'm not that into non LI companions but that's just me not wanting them
Also agreed on the gender gates. If we had like 12+ romances then sure restrictions ahoy but there's just a few. And honestly I don't even like a whole bunch of LIs. Because at that point I'm just "so we can have a half dozen romances but I can't get a choice to say screw you to this obvious psycho character? Really?" Looking at you ME2 and inability to mention Akuze to TIM.
It would have to at least be 4 companions.
Hopefully. We might get 3 companion LIs and 3 non companions (with 1 non companion we haven't seen yet).
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I don't see how the playersexual thing is good or better for representation of gay people, when the point is to remove strong indication of sexuality. The character isn't defined, the character isn't gay.
I didn't say it was.
I said, representation of different sexualities can be accomplished with non-LI characters. The 'playersexual' system could stay (or 'all bisexual' whatever you prefer) along with this since this only affects like 4 characters in the entire game (the LIs).
It's all there for your entertainment. If you think set sexualities are more entertaining, then we can debate that, but let's be intellectually honest about what we're discussing.
Personally, I can't see a viable way for set sexualities to have a major impact on the game. I don't see how they'll massively change the characters or story. I can't see how they could be an improvement on my enjoyment and I don't understand the argument as to how they change the experience for others. Thus, I'm against it. I'm willing to be honest about my intentions and I don't see any reason to be ashamed of just wanting to get the maximum amount of enjoyment out of an entertainment medium that I'm paying to experience.
And I get my enjoyment of these games out of the great story and the characters who are part of it. I think it adds to these characters if they are diverse and have different sexualities and when it's not obvious to me that they where pressed into a certain scheme like "all LIs must be bisexual".
Maybe I should also mention that an all-bisexual approach would only be a very minor annoyance for me. I don't like it, but it's not a huge part of the game and by far not the most important thing about a character to me.
I don't think that gay people behave like this and straight people behave like that, I'm talking about individual persons here.Probably rather simple Example:A Girl is straight and makes friends with several other Girls at School. They become bffs, Support each other, she can always rely on their help and will identify with her Group while looking down upon others who are different from them, because she can't relate to their problems much and is influenced by her friends a lot. She doesn't have much confidence when she's on her own and will tend to rely on other people instead of taking responsibility herself and rather back down than disagreeing with someone. She has a pretty good time at School and is happy most of the time.The same Girl is gay in a parallel universe. She makes friends with several other Girls at School and falls in love with one of them over time and the others find out about it. People at her School are making fun of her because of it, her friend is grossed out and doesn't wnat to talk with her for a while and even her other friends now behave different towards her. She is embarassed and hurt, turns away from her group, becomes more of a loner and eventhough some of her friends and other people at her school are still on good terms with her, she will be more cautious who to trust from now on. Because she is sometimes harassed for her sexuality and being different, she identifies strongly with other minorities, doesn't let herself be influenced by the opinions of others as easily and will eventally become someone who fights for others and can stand up for herself and stand on her own if she has to, eventhough she doen't always have it easy.In both parallel universes the Girl might be good at School, love singing and painting, have a good relationship with her family and eventually get the Job she always dreamed to have, but depending on the universe she will behave very different in certain situations.Sorry if the example is dumb in some way and I needed super long to write this, but right now it's pretty late where I live . ^^'
I didn't say it was.
I said, representation of different sexualities can be accomplished with non-LI characters. The 'playersexual' system could stay (or 'all bisexual' whatever you prefer) along with this since this only affects like 4 characters in the entire game (the LIs).
This is exactly what I'd prefer honestly. 4 companion bisexual LIs, the rest of the companions are gay/straight/not mentioned. And preferably attractive because sometimes just sometimes I'd want someone who looks like an LI to simply not be available for anyone. Maybe they're in a happy relationship? Maybe they're mourning and The PC's magical bits can't "fix" it for a damn change.
Hopefully. We might get 3 companion LIs and 3 non companions (with 1 non companion we haven't seen yet).
That'll go over well. 
And I get my enjoyment of these games out of the great story and the characters who are part of it. I think it adds to these characters if they are diverse and have different sexualities and when it's not obvious to me that they where pressed into a certain scheme like "all LIs must be bisexual".
Maybe I should also mention that an all-bisexual approach would only be a very minor annoyance for me. I don't like it, but it's not a huge part of the game and by far not the most important thing about a character to me.
Set sexualities will likely just end in a 2/2/2 structure that seems just as statistically forced.
I also get my enjoyment of the games from "the great story and the characters who are a part of it". I guess we just have a rift in what we think is important in shaping that.
Then why would you bring it up then? Especially in a patronizing you wanna bang everyone way? Also it always bothers me but pointing out no DAI isn't like our world is not the same as going "but sexualities in our world (nvm that we don't even fully know how ours works and our data gathering is iffy) work like X so DAI should be like X"
You don't get it. I just think it's funny how just a part of rl arguments are bothering you. And I'm patronizing ? Really ? I read many pages on this thread, and I could tell that people here weren't really nice to those who were for that system when talking about them. You'll excuse me then.
I can understand people being disappointed that they can't get what they wish, but when it's getting more than that, yep it annoys me a bit.
That'll go over well.
3 is half way to 6 companion LI's which now is my starting position due to their idiotic orientation gating concept. Bit of a gap there.
That'll go over well.
It would wouldn't it. They'd be a tea party with cookies
You don't get it. I just think it's funny how just a part of rl arguments are bothering you. And I'm patronizing ? I read many pages on this thread, and I could tell that people here weren't really nice to those who were for that system when talking about them. You'll excuse me then.
I can understand people being disappointed that they can't get what they wish, but when it's getting more than that, yep it annoys me a bit.
So now you're backpedaling from people shouldn't make it to it being funny it bothers me? Also the part of it that bothers me is the part that starts the stupid realism debate. It's pretty normal that'd bother me. 
The arguments hopefully pointing out no it's not and hopefully changing the person's mind and having them use a non ridiculous way of stating what they want doesn't bother me. I don't see how that's strange. And that was patronizing.
Then here's a weird concept. Don't read the thread? I don't see personal attacks against people who are for 2/2/2. If there are yeah that was wrong and out of line but I'm not seeing it. Maybe I didn't read the right posts?
This is exactly what I'd prefer honestly. 4 companion bisexual LIs, the rest of the companions are gay/straight/not mentioned. And preferably attractive because sometimes just sometimes I'd want someone who looks like an LI to simply not be available for anyone. Maybe they're in a happy relationship? Maybe they're mourning and The PC's magical gentila can't "fix" it for a damn change.
Lol, oh yes.
I think what some people really want are LIs that are exclusive to their gender/sexuality b/c it's somehow better and they don't have to share with the other gender, etc. That is not the same as wanting representation or diversity in the game world.
This is exactly what I'd prefer honestly. 4 companion bisexual LIs, the rest of the companions are gay/straight/not mentioned. And preferably attractive because sometimes just sometimes I'd want someone who looks like an LI to simply not be available for anyone. Maybe they're in a happy relationship? Maybe they're mourning and The PC's magical bits can't "fix" it for a damn change.
Maybe they're Evan Peters with the mind of a 12 year old. 
It would wouldn't it. They'd be a tea party with cookies
One orientation not having a companion LI will be really...interesting on here.
In real life we have a hell of a lot more than six people to choose from to date.
I'm so glad Gaider blew that argument to hell last week.
In both parallel universes the Girl might be good at School, love singing and painting, have a good relationship with her family and eventually get the Job she always dreamed to have, but depending on the universe she will behave very different in certain situations.
Sorry if the example is dumb in some way and I needed super long to write this, but right now it's pretty late where I live . ^^'
In both cases this girl is on Earth and living by Earth social constructs and environments. Thedas is not Earth, nor is it close to having the same social constructs or environments. Human culture, social norms, systems of oppression, expressions, values, belief systems, are not the same for Thedas as they are on Earth.
While I understand what you tried to intimate, I do not see sexual orientation having any significant bearing within the context of Thedas' human (and even elf and dwarf) society and cultures (thus far). In the context of the franchise, a heterosexual person and a gay person have little in the way of diverging life experiences solely based on their orientation.
Moreover, this is a game, and I rather stay away from the oppression olympics that I have to deal with in real life as well. I come for entertainment and an outlet.
Maybe they're Evan Peters with the mind of a 12 year old.
*shudders* I was hoping for a more...mature character. D:
Lol, oh yes.
I think what some people really want are LIs that are exclusive to their gender/sexuality b/c it's somehow better and they don't have to share with the other gender, etc. That is not the same as wanting representation or diversity in the game world.
Yep. That's what years of this debate has strongly suggested to me as well. It's a I don't wanna share my toys concept. Cause most that they claim to want, LIs that have clear preferences, that think for themselves, that don't romance just any character can be done with playersexual LIs with something as simple as dumping PCs that show themselves not amendable to their point of views (a mage character dumping someone staunchly pro-templar or vice versa. Characters that are of a good alignment dumping people who slaughter people for the lulz or honest characters dumping someone who's overly manipulative and a snake in the grass.) Edit: Let me be fair it's most not everything.
I'm so glad Gaider blew that argument to hell last week.
Same.
One orientation not having a companion LI will be really...interesting on here.
I don't think they'd mind that much. They get the lion's share of the pie most of the time anyway. One game shouldn't make the world explode. Unless I'm thinking of the wrong orientation.
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