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[RynJ]

One orientation not having a companion LI will be really...interesting on here. 

 

Oh lord I don't even want to know. Coming back to the BSN:

 

[Hellion Rex]

I don't think they'd mind that much. They get the lion's share of the pie most of the time anyway. One game shouldn't make the world explode. Unless I'm thinking of the wrong orientation.

From what I see on here, if that comes to pass, they'll believe the world is ending blah blah blah

[Sylvianus]

It would wouldn't it. They'd be a tea party with cookies

 

 

 

So now you're backpedaling from people shouldn't make it to it being funny it bothers me? Also the part of it that bothers me is the part that starts the stupid realism debate. It's pretty normal that'd bother me. The arguments hopefully pointing out no it's not and hopefully changing the person's mind and having them use a non ridiculous way of stating what they want doesn't bother me. I don't see how that's strange. And that was patronizing.

 

Then here's a weird concept. Don't read the thread? I don't see personal attacks against people who are for 2/2/2. If there are yeah that was wrong and out of line but I'm not seeing it. Maybe I didn't read the right posts?

 

Where did I say personal attack ? Did you consider what I said as personal attack ? It's more about how people who were for that system were so wrong and mocking their opinion. Don't expect me to have some sympathy. And I only stated my opinion seriously, not really because I wanted to make fun of the op. Now, I don't care what you think, get over yourself.  

[stuffystuffs]

I do look forward to the day we know for sure what they are doing.

 

BSN will be lots of fun.

 

 

I wonder how many straight people would still prefer having straight, bi and gay characters if Cass and Cullen ended up gay.

 

I'd love to see this place if that happened.

 

That might actually make me like the new system

[Hellion Rex]

I wonder how many straight people would still prefer having straight, bi and gay characters if Cass and Cullen ended up gay.

BSN wouldn't last 10 minutes before it burned to the ground.

[Ryzaki]

Where did I say personal attack ? Did you consider what I said as personal attack ? It's more about how people who were for that system were so wrong and mocking their opinion. Don't expect me to have some sympathy. And I only stated my opinion seriously, not really because I wanted to mmake fun of you. Now, I don't care what you think, get over yourself.  

 

What mocking? are you talking about this thread? If you're talking about some thread from months or years back at least make yourself clear. Also I don't expect you do much of anything and really the whole wanting to date everyone remarks was completely unnecessary unless you know making fun was your point. As for getting over myself....I already have maybe you should try the same?

 

 

From what I see on here, if that comes to pass, they'll believe the world is ending blah blah blah

 

Oh you're talking about that thread. That was a funny thread but I think if the male LIs have to be approached first it could be avoided. Least I'd hope so.

 

 

I do look forward to the day we know for sure what they are doing.

 

BSN will be lots of fun.

 

I'd rather that be sooner than later. Yeah they'll be the initial WHY BW WHY but that'd calm down soon enough save a few isolated outbursts now and again. At least we'd know what we're dealing with then instead of the guesses that are going on now.

[Deviija]

This is exactly what I'd prefer honestly. 4 companion bisexual LIs, the rest of the companions are gay/straight/not mentioned. 

 

This is an aspect of the discussion that some people seem to gloss over: that representation and diversity can still happen, even when you have 4 bisexual LIs.  We have *five* companions and *three* important advisers that play a major function within our games, heterosexual and gay and lesbian and pansexual and asexual sexualities can be more than expressed in our non-LI compatriots.  Not to mention within the world as significant and minor NPCs as well.  That's how diversity and representation works, it isn't solely about LIs.  If it were, then I think it would be a fairly shallow ruler to judge with.

[RynJ]

BSN wouldn't last 10 minutes before it burned to the ground.

 

I KNOW there will be something burning if Cass isn't at least available to both genders. She's the one that everyone is looking at with goo goo eyes, from what I can see.

 

Let's be real, there will never be complete happiness all around. Not even if the LIs were available to everyone, which we learned during DA2.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I wonder how many straight people would still prefer having straight, bi and gay characters if Cass and Cullen ended up gay.

That really is a good point though. 

 

Everyone who is for the 'new' system thinks that their targets of affection will be available to them.

[Mes]

 Also the part of it that bothers me is the part that starts the stupid realism debate. It's pretty normal that'd bother me.

 

I HATE THE REALISM DEBATE/ARGUMENT. I hate it more than anything else on these forums. DIE, DIE, DIE!

 

 

 

While I understand what you tried to intimate, I do not see sexual orientation having any significant bearing within the context of Thedas' human (and even elf and dwarf) society and cultures (thus far).

 

Yeah I've argued this til I was blue in the face before. I still believe this to be the case.

 

However Allan recently sort of opened my mind a bit to the 2/2/2 split. He was recounting some panel where members from the LGBTQA (is that correct?? so many letters) community were discussing how positively they were affected my "meeting" a companion that was the same sexual orientation as them. Like Steve, from Mass Effect.

 

So now I'm sort of thinking... Yeah I don't think set sexualities make sense in the world of Thedas, buuuuuut who am I to argue taking something away from people who might really benefit from it.

 

Meh.

 

I'm so glad Gaider blew that argument to hell last week.

 

I think I missed that - do you have a link to his post?

[jtav]

I wonder how many straight people would still prefer having straight, bi and gay characters if Cass and Cullen ended up gay.

I'd worry about it coming off that his experiences turned him gay and then roll a M!Imquisitor. If I couldn't abide a M!Inquisitor, I'd find another LI.

[Ryzaki]

That really is a good point though. 

 

Everyone who is for the 'new' system thinks that their targets of affection will be available to them.

 

Nah it's not everyone. There's some who just want the restrictions because Bw has utterly failed at making LIs dump you for anything else than gender. I think they're looking for the wrong solution to the problem but *shrug*

[Sylvianus]

@ RyzakiOf course this thread.   ( and since it's ridiculous how far it goes for so little, I'll stop right there. ) 

Just shut up, and I'll do the same because it's getting nowhere.

[stuffystuffs]

Nah it's not everyone. There's some who just want the restrictions because Bw has utterly failed at making LIs dump you for anything else than gender. I think they're looking for the wrong solution to the problem but *shrug*

 

I think it might be a little of both.

 

Some want something like another Traynor saying 'no' to you cuz you are playing a dude but that's not such a bad thing to deal with when you have the pick of the female companion LIs.

[CENIC]

I'd like to believe that BioWare's intention with a 2/2/2 system would be better representation and inclusion for all sexual orientations.
In DA2 there were plenty of arguments and differing interpretations of "playersexuality" and a lot of that was derogatory towards bisexuals... so BioWare may be trying to avoid causing that again. I think it's a fair point that sacrificing player options isn't worth that, though. :/

[azarhal]

Everyone who is for the 'new' system thinks that their targets of affection will be available to them.

 

Not everyone, because I personally don't care who is what and I prefer set sexualities because it actually present different facet of preferences. I'm way more interested in the characters themselves than in romancing them. I actually engage in romance only to see how they will react in fact.

[Ryzaki]

@ RyzakiOf course this thread.   ( and since it's ridiculous how far it goes for so little, I'll stop right there. ) 

Just shut up, and I'll do the same because it's getting nowhere.

 

Yeah no I'm not shutting up because you told me to. You can ignore the thread or just ignore me and that'd work just fine though!

 

 

I think it might be a little of both.

 

Some want something like another Traynor saying 'no' to you cuz you are playing a dude but that's not such a bad thing to deal with when you have the pick of the female companion LIs.

 

Yeah I hate the Traynor example cause of that. If MShep had the lower amount of LIs and it was still in the game then fair enough but as it is...meh.

[The Hierophant]

I wonder how many straight people would still prefer having straight, bi and gay characters if Cass and Cullen ended up gay.

i have a hunch that as long as the hetero companions are not Anders/Fenris 2.0 then everything will be gravy. DMHG and Vivienne seem more interesting than Cullen and Cass though.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'd like to believe that BioWare's intention with a 2/2/2 system would be better representation and inclusion for all sexual orientations.
In DA2 there were plenty of arguments and differing interpretations of "playersexuality" and a lot of that was derogatory towards bisexuals... so BioWare may be trying to avoid causing that again. I think it's a fair point that sacrificing player options isn't worth that, though. :/

Sacrificing player choices in RPG games is like sacrificing enemy numbers in shooters. Seems like an oxymoron. 

[RynJ]

i have a hunch that as long as the hetero companions are not Anders/Fenris 2.0 then everything will be gravy. DMHG and Vivienne seem more interesting than Cullen and Cass though.

 

It would be nice to not have an angsty LI, yes, for every orientation.  I have hope, because none of them seem particularly angsty from what we can see except maybe Cole. But he won't be a LI anyways.

[Mes]

 

Some want something like another Traynor saying 'no' to you cuz you are playing a dude but that's not such a bad thing to deal with when you have the pick of the female companion LIs.

 

Bingo.

 

I'd wager that's the number one concern for people who want to romance male companions.

[Sylvianus]

I was more for the playersexual thing improved with restrictions based on choices, but the 2/2/2 system is totally fine by me. I can only understand the disappointment about not being able to romance the character you want. But no, the system isn't really something horrible, unfair or worse, according to some. 

[Hellion Rex]

I think I missed that - do you have a link to his post?

 

http://forum.bioware...ion/?p=16479412

 

 

 

Categorically not true.

 

I understand there are some people who prefer the idea of being able to romance any character who is able to be romanced, with any PC. That may have been a happy by-product of the system in DA2, for them, but that was not its purpose. Its purpose was to allow more than one option for every type of player, no matter who they were. That remains our goal.

 

As Mark Darrah tweeted earlier today, we have characters that are gay as well as bisexual and straight. I'm not going to discuss numbers or any further details at this point, so you can make of that what you will, but that allows us to tell more types of character stories without having to resort to ambiguity. Those stories exist for players who don't romance the characters as well, and that's also important. The rest will come as we discuss this aspect of the game in detail, but I'd hope the Dragon Age's team's expressed interest in inclusivity would provide us some benefit of the doubt until that happens.