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[ladyoflate]

Yeah I definitely get that. The Bisexuality is treated more like Gay& also Straight instead of Bisexuality. The only thing I disliked about "playersexuality" was the way it was the mystical sexuality of nebulous constraints. I think why the media is fond of the "promiscuous bisexual" is because they have trouble establishing it as a thing unless they drive it into the ground, otherwise they make it very unstated. The phase in college straight girls in media always annoyed me because it is ALWAYS for the tintillation of her boyfriend/husband never to comment on her relationships.

 

Exactly. And it's like when you're bi you have to constantly reinform people. 'Oh, you're a lesbian now?' 'Oh, that was a phase?' 'OH DOES THIS MEAN WE CAN HAVE A THREESOME'

 

I realize the slight irony in that last one considering my posts in the other thread, but the first thing I do NOT want to hear out of a dude's mouth is how his sex life can improve out of something that is not about him.

[karushna5]

Exactly. And it's like when you're bi you have to constantly reinform people. 'Oh, you're a lesbian now?' 'Oh, that was a phase?' 'OH DOES THIS MEAN WE CAN HAVE A THREESOME'
 
I realize the slight irony in that last one considering my posts in the other thread, but the first thing I do NOT want to hear out of a dude's mouth is how his sex life can improve out of something that is not about him.

I mean I am not bi, but my girlfriend is. Personally I am a homoromantic asexual, but I just stopped trying to explain how I am still asexual, especially since these days the homoromantic bit affects my life more than the asexual bit. When my gf came out to her brother he did the usual, but how "you dont seem the type you crushed on guys" and she explained how she was Bi and his reaction saying how much better that was made her more furious then his meaness about her "being a lesbian".

And the threesome thing, that never happened to me but there is a complete difference to being polyamory and using someones sexuality to objectify them. The only time that happened to us is one time a complete stranger saw us together and propositioned us to get us pregnant, because obviously we wanted babies XD

[ladyoflate]

I mean I am not bi, but my girlfriend is. Personally I am a homoromantic asexual, but I just stopped trying to explain how I am still asexual, especially since these days the homoromantic bit affects my life more than the asexual bit. When my gf came out to her brother he did the usual, but how "you dont seem the type you crushed on guys" and she explained how she was Bi and his reaction saying how much better that was made her more furious then his meaness about her "being a lesbian".

And the threesome thing, that never happened to me but there is a complete difference to being polyamory and using someones sexuality to objectify them. The only time that happened to us is one time a complete stranger saw us together and propositioned us to get us pregnant, because obviously we wanted babies XD

 

christ on a ****** people are ridiculous as hell. You totes should have said 'We're so pleased to find a willing spawn-host!' or something.

 

Yeah, y'all have it even worse than us as far as visibility. Us and the pansexuals can band together to form the invisible lantern corps, eh?

 

I've given up on telling my family, tbh. It's like telling my dad I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, except everyone--they just go 'huh????' and their memory functions shut down.

[Turnip]

I mean I am not bi, but my girlfriend is. Personally I am a homoromantic asexual, but I just stopped trying to explain how I am still asexual, especially since these days the homoromantic bit affects my life more than the asexual bit. When my gf came out to her brother he did the usual, but how "you dont seem the type you crushed on guys" and she explained how she was Bi and his reaction saying how much better that was made her more furious then his meaness about her "being a lesbian".

Stories like that make me so thankful for my friends and family. When I came out as Bisexual the worst I got was "I knew it!" And "Which one do you like more?". I don't know how I'd react if someone acted like your gf's brother to me. I hope I never have to.

[karushna5]

Man nice to talk, but this is becoming very off topic. Maybe in general discussion making a thread I mean goodness knows if you can talk about sex 8 different ways I doubt anyone would mine for a LGBT thread.
Edit: created topic in Lobby, might be nice to have a space for us on here just to talk about this stuff

But on topic: What kind of romance do you think each character might have. I feel Cassandra is the tough but tender type. She isnt cruel or malicious but it takes a lot to gain her trust. She seems like a pretty devoted character, once you earn it though. Despite her seeming very renegade, I think she has a lot of kindness in her as well. It would be interesting.

Modifié par karushna5, 02 mai 2014 - 08:51 .

[In Exile]

Yeah I definitely get that. The Bisexuality is treated more like Gay& also Straight instead of Bisexuality. The only thing I disliked about "playersexuality" was the way it was the mystical sexuality of nebulous constraints. I think why the media is fond of the "promiscuous bisexual" is because they have trouble establishing it as a thing unless they drive it into the ground, otherwise they make it very unstated. The phase in college straight girls in media always annoyed me because it is ALWAYS for the tintillation of her boyfriend/husband never to comment on her relationships.

To be honest that's always something that's confused the hell out of me, but then I've never found the idea of my partner messing around with someone who wouldn't have sex with me even remotely alluring. More about sharing than caring about monogamy, really. Anyway, totally off topic, so I'll slink back in my corner. 

[Will-o'-wisp]

When we start to talk about gender-gated romance content, that's a completely different beast.  The devs took the time to add in a romance path for X character but then are saying 'nope' to you 'hey just roll a straight character to access this'.  I just don't see the point of limiting them when there are only a handful of romances to begin with.

Okay, so I left yesterday and just started reading what was written since then and wanted to answer to this particular post, cause it kinda shows the point where I think fundamentally different than some of you guys.

The way I see it (and the devs are doing ist if I remember correctly) the writers create characters first and then think about who to make a LI. They give us the opportunity to romance some of these characters, all with their individual personalities and sexualities, so when they add in a romance for character x they should not have to turn him/her bisexual, when he/she was actually intended to be a gay/straight person.

And this goes both ways: character x can only be romanced with a gay/bisexual PC and character y can only be romance with a straight/bisexual PC, so there's no unfairness involved.

Mort de Minuit also said something about the 2/2/2 system being just as forced as making every LI bisexual (forgot to quote the post, sry), but: This is in my eyes still not as bad as restricting every LI to only one sexuality. The all-bi System eradicates all possibility for diversity in this regard, while the 2/2/2 System allows for different sexuality and not everyone has to be railroaded into only one. Maybe they still have to make adjustments to some LI-characters, but not to all and we also don't know yet if 2/2/2 is what's going to happen. They only said they wanted to grant equal choice for everyone and as long as they achieve that without the standardization of all LIs I don't see a problem.
 

[javeart]

I honestly don't understand why people deride the idea that others want to maximize the amount of LIs they could potentially choose from. In real life I'm not paying for the disappointment of rejection. We're all going to buy this game purely for entertainment purposes. What's going to be the most entertaining is clearly the most viable choice. That's the name of the medium we're working with. That's why the whole in game world swirls around your PC character and their choices ultimately shape the success and failure of practically every political faction. It's why you can choose to kill, exile, "harden", or otherwise change the life of almost every companion character. It's all there for your entertainment. If you think set sexualities are more entertaining, then we can debate that, but let's be intellectually honest about what we're discussing. 

 

I agree so much. It's funny how most people seem to be fine with the fact that everywhere we go is like "hey, I know you just got here, but please, let us put this really important decision in your hands", no matter how jarring it is, but then if everyone (and everyone means 4 of your companions) wants to sleep with you, that's just crazy because not everyone is going to be into you and you should just learn how to deal with rejection 

[azarhal]

O___O

 

wut

 

There is only straight romance/flirting in The Old Republic (except for some stuff on Makeb I believe, haven't been there).

 

In fact, that list is a lot more about BioWare not doing gay/lesbian romances in the past than anything else. People here act as if BioWare have always been putting such option in their games, but the truth is, ME3 was the only game with lesbian/gay only full romance options.

 

And that was their last game released...
 

[Ammonite]

There is only straight romance/flirting in The Old Republic (except for some stuff on Makeb I believe, haven't been there).
 
In fact, that list is a lot more about BioWare not doing gay/lesbian romances in the past than anything else. People here act as if BioWare have always been putting such option in their games, but the truth is, ME3 was the only game with lesbian/gay only full romance options.
 
And that was their last game released...

Yeah, there's some inferior npc questline stuff on Makeb that is f/f for Republic and m/m for Empire.
Implemented two years after first promising same gender romances.
With all classes of both genders having one or more heterosexual companion romances available.

[LiaraShepard]

to the argument that the majority of companions being bisexual isn't realistic: 

 

It IS realistic, because short sequences have the tendency to repeat themselves. You need a sample of more than 30 people to give a professional opinion on distribution. It's also possible to bear 6 girls till you'll finally get a boy or to quess 10 times right in guessing games befor you'll give the wrong answer. So, it's not an argument why all LI's being bisexual wouldn't be realistic. Although there are more straight people than gay people out there it is still possible to end end up in a group with lots of homosexuals. In a group with only 9 people, everything is possible. 

[Will-o'-wisp]

So I read some more Posts in the meantime and I feel like I should answer to one more:
 

Nope. Not for me, at least. My personality and identity comes from my choices, beliefs, and things that I have experienced, NOT because I am sexually attracted to guys.

That is not at all what I said. I said that sexuality influences someone's personality not that it dominates it. It's proably not true for everyone that it's a "huge" part of one's identity as I worded it, but it plays a part. Choices beliefs etc. may be of larger importance, but if you're telling me that sexuality doesn't matter and has no influence on someones identity at all, I have to disagree. Afterall there are choices, beliefs and experiences in life that are influenced by one's sexuality.

That's what I feel and meant to express with that post you quoted. I feel that I would be a different person today if I had a different sexuality. Not fundamentally different, but definitely in some ways.

[Will-o'-wisp]

Sorry, double post.

[ladyoflate]

Man nice to talk, but this is becoming very off topic. Maybe in general discussion making a thread I mean goodness knows if you can talk about sex 8 different ways I doubt anyone would mine for a LGBT thread.
Edit: created topic in Lobby, might be nice to have a space for us on here just to talk about this stuff

But on topic: What kind of romance do you think each character might have. I feel Cassandra is the tough but tender type. She isnt cruel or malicious but it takes a lot to gain her trust. She seems like a pretty devoted character, once you earn it though. Despite her seeming very renegade, I think she has a lot of kindness in her as well. It would be interesting.

 

I can see it going a little differently based on the class of the PC. Like if you're a mage she's all 'let me have your favor as i ride into battle Inquisitor' (except a little less ridiculous) but if you're a warrior/rogue it's a bit more 'i MAY have gotten you an appointment with the best armorer in the country GO NOW'

[daveliam]

There is only straight romance/flirting in The Old Republic (except for some stuff on Makeb I believe, haven't been there).

 

In fact, that list is a lot more about BioWare not doing gay/lesbian romances in the past than anything else. People here act as if BioWare have always been putting such option in their games, but the truth is, ME3 was the only game with lesbian/gay only full romance options.

 

And that was their last game released...
 

 

Posted this in another thread a few weeks back, but it's relevant here, too.

 

In Bioware games, there have been exactly 60 romances (not counting "flings") over 10 games.  Here are the romance stats:

 

Straight male characters (female only romances):  20

Straight female characters (male only romances): 25

Bisexual male characters (male and female romances):  5

Bisexual female characters (male and female romances):  7

Gay male characters (male only romance):  1

Lesbian female characters (female only romance):  2 (I chose to include Juhani)

 

That means that out of 60 love interests:

* straight male players have had access to 32 out of 34 females (94% of romanceable females; 53% of all romanceable characters)

* straight female players have had access to 25 out of 26 males (96% of romanceable males; 42% of all romanceable characters)

* lesbian players have had access to 9 out of 34 females (27% of romanceable females; 15% of all romanceable characters)

* gay male players have had access to 6 out of 26 males (23% of romanceable males; 10% of all romanceable characters)

 

Yeah, it's not been a very accepting climate for gay male players particularly.  There were as many female LI's in ME 3 alone (Liara, Ashley, Tali, Miranda, Jack, and Kelly, all of whom gave the paramour achievement) as there have been m/m options EVER (Sky, Zevran, Anders, Fenris, Kaidan, and Steve).  It's really not be a very fair shakedown.  I think that this is why there is so much concern about going back to the "old way" of doing romances.  We were traditionally marginalized in those games.  I've got hope that the devs mean it when they say that it won't happen this time, but I've still got this little nagging concern in the back of my head that either we'll get NPC content (instead of companion content) or we will have less options than everyone else.  Time will tell, I guess.

[CENIC]

But on topic: What kind of romance do you think each character might have. I feel Cassandra is the tough but tender type. She isnt cruel or malicious but it takes a lot to gain her trust. She seems like a pretty devoted character, once you earn it though. Despite her seeming very renegade, I think she has a lot of kindness in her as well. It would be interesting.

Cassandra was compared to a "very crusty baguette" by the writers, so I too assume she'll be difficult to crack, but very loving once you get through her shell. It's difficult to imagine her ever getting flustered by the Inquisitor, but it would be cute!

[Panda]

Posted this in another thread a few weeks back, but it's relevant here, too.

 

In Bioware games, there have been exactly 60 romances (not counting "flings") over 10 games.  Here are the romance stats:

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This is very detailed I actually prefer system with different sexualities but only if it means there is equal choices for characters meaning that there is equal amount of m/f & f/m (depending on quizzys gender), f/f and m/m romances. If there isn't then playersexuality/bisexuality is better.

[WildOrchid]

Cassandra was compared to a "very crusty baguette" by the writers, so I too assume she'll be difficult to crack, but very loving once you get through her shell. It's difficult to imagine her ever getting flustered by the Inquisitor, but it would be cute!

 

And that's why I want Cass to be available to ladyQuizzies... we never get these types of romances. A woman warms up another woman's heart is such a rare thing..... actually now that i think of it, this trope is nonexistent.

[Milan92]

Cassandra was compared to a "very crusty baguette" by the writers, so I too assume she'll be difficult to crack, but very loving once you get through her shell. It's difficult to imagine her ever getting flustered by the Inquisitor, but it would be cute!

 

Something tells me she is gonna be all hardcore in bed.

[azarhal]

Something tells me she is gonna be all hardcore in bed.

 

Maybe she just has a lot of theoretical knowledge.

[Milan92]

Maybe she just has a lot of theoretical knowledge.

 

We now know what she likes to stab books. She wants to destroy all the naughty evidence.

[Giggles_Manically]

I actually hope that there are character romances that happen between NPCs.

 

Just so we can see the return of threads like "I GAVE ISABELA TO THE ARISHOK! FENRIS IS MINE MINE MINE MINE! EVEN WHEN I DONT ROMANCE HIM!"

Cause those were always funny.

 

Then again I hope we dont get love triangles forming.

Like in Baulders Gate with Aerie and that other chap...yah that was weird.

[ladyoflate]

I actually hope that there are character romances that happen between NPCs.

 

Just so we can see the return of threads like "I GAVE ISABELA TO THE ARISHOK! FENRIS IS MINE MINE MINE MINE! EVEN WHEN I DONT ROMANCE HIM!"

Cause those were always funny.

 

Then again I hope we dont get love triangles forming.

Like in Baulders Gate with Aerie and that other chap...yah that was weird.

 

WHY WOULD YOU WANT THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE TERRIFYING

 

ETA: Although I did very much like that that happened, it made the companions a bit more like real people if they weren't always just waiting for you. Just not those people.

[Alexander The Great]

Cassandra

[Giggles_Manically]

WHY WOULD YOU WANT THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE TERRIFYING

 

ETA: Although I did very much like that that happened, it made the companions a bit more like real people if they weren't always just waiting for you. Just not those people.

I quite enjoyed seeing character develop relationships outside of the main character too.

But come on those threads were hilarious!