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#4276
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I honestly still don't understand the arguments against "player-sexuality".  Why should anyone care about what happens in someone else's game?

 

Because it cheapeansTM the character !

 

Or something, though in this case I don't understand how "hardening" your LI in order for them to be ok when you go to the brothel is not "cheapening"


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So steamrolling over Alistair by telling him who he'll marry and who he'll sleep with in order to have a child he'll never met because I needed it, is okay.
But 4 romances bi, noooo, that's definitively obeying player's ever command !

:rolleyes:

That's Alistair following a PC's demands which is IC for him. Not the game itself

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Or something, though in this case I don't understand how "hardening" your LI in order for them to be ok when you go to the brothel is not "cheapening"

 

But it is ;) By the way, Morrigan doesn't go with you to the brothel. Hardened or not. And I respect that, I think Morrigan is one of the best thought-out characters in the game.

That's Alistair following a PC's demands which is IC for him. Not the game itself 

 

Exactly. As he said himself, he likes to follow. ;)


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Because it cheapeansTM the character !

Or something, though in this case I don't understand how "hardening" your LI in order for them to be ok when you go to the brothel is not "cheapening"

That is kind of sad tbh. Hardening Lelianna is pretty heartbreaking IMHO

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People have preferences, the west hasn't fought so hard for them to be accepted so in the end they are simply handwaved as unimportant
That's the life. Rejection is an important part of any relationship type

 

Yeah people have preferences. But acting like a gender block (that's not even acknowledged. The one time it's acknowledged is with Samantha and dude Shep) It's not like dude Warden could hit on Alistair and get shot down) suddenly makes the romances real when frankly it doesn't and real relationships have nuisances that BW romances have yet to reach is well...I just don't get it.

 

As for rejection yeah there's still rejection with all bi Lis in the rejecting for choices outcomes. You hit on the pro templar character as a pro mage? No can do sorry. It's just you don't start off more limited choices since you only get like 3 or 4 LIs anyway. The player can get rejected without blocking off the already few number of romance companions from a possible romance.


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In terms of game mechanics and Alistair following PC regardless of choices I personally hate that due to his plot importance he follows PC even if PC left Lothering to perish. Now that was terrible

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Yeah people have preferences. But acting like a gender block (that's not even acknowledged. It's not like dude Warden could hit on Alistair and get shot down) suddenly makes the romances real when frankly it doesn't and real relationships have nuisances that BW romances have yet to reach is well...I just don't get it.

As for rejection yeah there's still rejection with all bi Lis in the rejecting for choices outcomes. It's just you don't start off more limited choices since you only get like 3 or 4 LIs anyway. The player can get rejected without blocking off the already few number of romance companions from a possible romance.

Because companions do not exist just so the PC can romance them? Ask any person why they prefer this or that gender. Maybe you won't understand, but you will have to accept it.
Characters are supposed to imitate real people, make us believe they're almost real. Meaning that we also have to accept that sometimes they do not do what we want them to do
Not to mention diversity and stuff

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That's Alistair following a PC's demands which is IC for him. Not the game itself

 

The game design made him a spineless follower on key occasions, just so the player could get away with what he wants.

 

But no let's focus on 4 characters being bi, that's totally unacceptable.



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Because companions do not exist just so the PC can romance them? Ask any person why they prefer this or that gender. Maybe you won't understand, but you will have to accept it.
Characters are supposed to imitate real people, make us believe they're almost real. Meaning that we also have to accept that sometimes they do not do what we want them to do
Not to mention diversity and stuff

 

...I'm talking about the companions that are romancable. As for RL. Please in RL I can date a hell of a lot more than six people. Let's not do the "well you do this in RL" discussion. I wash my clothes and cook my food in RL. I have yet to see my warden do either.

 

And for some baffling reason four of them being bisexual makes them less real? How exactly? Even though they'll refuse to romance someone against their ideals?

 

As for diversity you can have that without using the LIs. There's plenty of other people in the DA setting to show such things.


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Because companions do not exist just so the PC can romance them? 

 

Bingo! But, to my great grief, most people do not understand this. They want Cullen (as an example, or any other LI) no matter what, and they get angry if is it impossible due to something they have chosen.

If you wanted to romance Samantha in ME3, you had to play as a Femshep. And that's totally cool. No every wish of the player should be immediately granted. Sometimes it does add variety and interest to the game. But that's my opinion only.


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Clothes washing and food cooking mini-games to appear in DAI.

 

Semi-confirmed rumor.


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The game design made him aspineless follower on key occasions, just so the player could get away with what he wants.

But no let's focus on 4 characters being bi, that's totally unacceptable.

Alistair being spineless is a part of his personality. Some plot holes and him being unavoidable and unkillable is a part of plot. Poorly done but it still is. Blame script and the ending which can be achieved only with an alive Alistair

Bi? Or playersexuality? Cause bisexuality is a set sexuality
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#4288
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...I'm talking about the companions that are romancable. As for RL. Please in RL I can date a hell of a lot more than six people. Let's not do the "well you do this in RL" discussion. I wash my clothes and cook my food in RL. I have yet to see my warden do either.

And for some baffling reason four of them being bisexual makes them less real? How exactly? Even though they'll refuse to romance someone against their ideals?

As for diversity you can have that without using the LIs. There's plenty of other people in the DA setting to show such things.

I talk about the concept of character creation as well.
You can, but you will only some of them. Game has literal boundaries of number of companions, time used to write them and the romances.
Since it has no plot or character development relevance it wouldn't be added. Though we do see Alistair probably cooking sth and mentions of eating

Bisexuality is a set sexuality. So what's all the fuss about?

Okay, so how many homosexual couples we have seen outside of the party? Not many compared to the het ones

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Bingo! But, to my great grief, most people do not understand this. They want Cullen (as an example, or any other LI) no matter what, and they get angry if is it impossible due to something they have chosen.

If you wanted to romance Samantha in ME3, you had to play as a Femshep. And that's totally cool. No every wish of the player should be immediately granted. Sometimes it does add variety and interest to the game. But that's my opinion only.

Yeah, how dare people want something in an item they paid for.  <_<



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Yeah, how dare people want something in an item they paid for. <_<

I don't recall "Hump-them-all!" in a description of the game ;)

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I don't recall "Hump-them-all!" in a description of the game ;)

I don't recall "These people are supposed to represent real types of people" either.



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Yeah, how dare people want something in an item they paid for.

 

I'm sorry if it sounds a little rude, but look at BG and KOTOR. And now look at DAI. And you are still complaining? :) Bioware is doing its best to make an awesome game AND to make some cute romances. Appreciate what you have. Maybe in future games there will be even more romances, but I don't want to see my favourite franchise becoming some kind of romance simulator.


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#4293
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Alistair being spineless is a part of his personality.

 

No, not as much as the game forces him to be with Anora or the DR

And even so, it's okay if he is spineless so the player can impose on him spouses, sexual partners and even children ? REALLY

 

Bi? Or playersexuality? Cause bisexuality is a set sexuality

 

Bi, because playersexuality is a fever dream.



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I don't recall "These people are supposed to represent real types of people" either.

I recall Farrah or Gaider saying it about sexuality representations in a twitter, interview or tumblr ;)

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I don't recall "Hump-them-all!" in a description of the game ;)

 

Is someone asking for this?



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I'm sorry if it sounds a little rude, but look at BG and KOTOR. And now look at DAI. And you are still complaining? :) Bioware is doing its best to make an awesome game AND to make some cute romances. Appreciate what you have. Maybe in future games there will be even more romances, but I don't want to see my favourite franchise becoming some kind of romance simulator.

I'm complaining because they took a step backwards in my opinion. DA2 had my favorite type of romance system. It was the only one so far that was fair to everyone. So now they are not doing that so I am upset. 



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Is someone asking for this?

No, but apparently wanting all LIs available to the player regardless of gender is equivalent to that. 



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Well, you're lucky since we're back to the stupid set sexuality system.

 

I actually read a really good Dragon Age Confession on the subject.

 

http://dragonageconf...mething-married

 

This person basically posted if the writing is good for the characters, it didn't matter what they were.  I think people should wait and give this system a chance before judging it.



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Maybe in future games there will be even more romances, but I don't want to see my favourite franchise becoming some kind of romance simulator.

 

The irony.

 

This new system is much closer to a romance simulator.  Wanting the romances to be more like romancing 'real people'...yah

 

 


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No, not as much as the game forces him to be with Anora or the DR
And even so, it's okay if he is spineless so the player can impose on him spouses, sexual partners and even children ? REALLY


Bi, because playersexuality is a fever dream.

Being well written, IC or realistic does not mean good, kind or merciful. Darkspawn killing everyone in sight is brutal, but accurate

That's why Anders not mentioning his past relationship with Carl to fHawke was made so a player can think he is straight... Oh, and doing stuff due to lack of resources like reused caves, enemies falling from the sky and player's choice not mattering in the end...
Ah, DA2, so fun to make fun of