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[Hellion Rex]

Because if one gay is alright with it, we should all be alright with it. We should know that by now.

Let's tone it down a tad, shall we Mort?

[Deviija]

My issue isn't necessarily not getting who I want.

 

The concern is getting short-changed with either quality/quantity of romance options relative to certain demographics (straight males mainly).  My big concern is that the 'lesbian option' will just be a non-companion leaving me with one companion option.  This wasn't an issue with DA2.

 

Absolutely, and from what I can tell, the majority of us participating in this thread that prefer the "everyone bi" option for its allowance in giving everyone an option for whomever is an LI is saying that.  That it isn't about getting who I want, it is about fairness in availability of who is an LI for maximum benefit.  And since BioWare developers (Gaider in particular on a dozen+ occasions) have reminded us and lectured us and pointed out to us again and again that romances are *tertiary* content, and it costs a lot of money, time, energy, dialogue, voice over work, animation, etc. to do them, an answer of "well, just make more romances and offer more choices for everyone and more orientation representation," is just not in the cards for the near future.  Thus, we are often given the short-end of the content stick a la Origins.  

[BubbleDncr]

My issue isn't necessarily not getting who I want.

 

The concern is getting short-changed with either quality/quantity of romance options relative to certain demographics (straight males mainly).  My big concern is that the 'lesbian option' will just be a non-companion leaving me with one companion option.  This wasn't an issue with DA2.

 

I think everyone's most common theory is that the non-companions will be bi, and the companions will be either straight or gay. In which case, the only people who wouldn't get just one companion option are bisexual characters.

 

Which I'm fine with. SWTOR taught me that I don't need more than one LI to be happy. I also have no problems with playing bisexual or gay characters, even though I am neither.

 

Though if any demographic does get the short end of the stick, I really hope it's the straight characters this time around. I think it's only fair since we've been better off in all the past bioware games.

[pallascedar]

I just can't see what is to be gained from this 'new' system (that's not really new).  I see nothing but loss.

 

Eh, I do. Even though I'd prefer to have more options, I think that this will open up the ability to tell more stories with the LIs. We might have an LI whose life had been effected in some way from them being gay or lesbian: which I think is really neat.

 

I'm not asking anyone to agree with me, but it's worth pointing out that other viewpoints exist .

[duckley]

I am curious as to people' s thoughts/predictions regarding the quality of NCP romances.

I am hoping they will be as rich as companion romances , but I am afraid thet will be kind of meh...I have no real basis to feel that way other than past bioware NCP romances have kind of sucked.

[stuffystuffs]

I think everyone's most common theory is that the non-companions will be bi, and the companions will be either straight or gay. In which case, the only people who wouldn't get just one companion option are bisexual characters.

 

 

That would be fine if it happens.

 

Highly doubt it.

 

 

Eh, I do. Even though I'd prefer to have more options, I think that this will open up the ability to tell more stories with the LIs. We might have an LI whose life had been effected in some way from them being gay or lesbian: which I think is really neat.

 

I'm not asking anyone to agree with me, but it's worth pointing out that other viewpoints exist .

 

I know there are other viewpoints.

 

That type of story line just has 0 appeal to me and has been done many times before.

 

 

I am curious as to people' s thoughts/predictions regarding the quality of NCP romances.

I am hoping they will be as rich as companion romances , but I am afraid thet will be kind of meh...I have no real basis to feel that way other than past bioware NCP romances have kind of sucked.

 

I don't think they can be the same, simply because they don't travel with you.  There's a lot of extra interaction that you will miss out on.

 

This is assuming most of our game time will be spent questing outside of our hub area.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

My prediction for NPC romances is that they'll probably have similar romance specific content to companions, but less content overall and less plot involvement. People have come up with a lot of scenarios where they could try to make them more involved but, to be honest, I think NPC LIs that are equal to companions LIs are probably on par in likeliness to the 6 companion LIs and 2 NPC LIs theories. It sounds great and I would be happy if it were true, but I doubt it is.   

[BubbleDncr]

I just can't see what is to be gained from this 'new' system (that's not really new).  I see nothing but loss.

 

More complicated relationships with your companions.

 

My first thought of who I want to romance is DHMG. But everyone thinks he's going to be gay, which bums me out (as I will be playing a female Inquisitor).

 

So I will probably end up settling for someone else.

 

But the thing is, I typically always do what my LI wants me to do in the game - side with them, support their causes, etc. But if DHMG and whoever I end up with are on different sides of an issue, or god forbid, I ever have to choose between them....it's now a harder choice for me than if DHMG was bi and able to be romanced by me.

 

Also, it encourages me to experience romances I otherwise would not.

[RynJ]

I am curious as to people' s thoughts/predictions regarding the quality of NCP romances.

I am hoping they will be as rich as companion romances , but I am afraid thet will be kind of meh...I have no real basis to feel that way other than past bioware NCP romances have kind of sucked.

 

The way I see it, they could be written excellently and still not pack the same punch as companion romances. There really is something to having your LI in the thick of battle with you, from a RP standpoint. NPC romances lack that element and that's why I don't prefer them.

[Deviija]

I am curious as to people' s thoughts/predictions regarding the quality of NCP romances.
 

 

I am of the viewpoint that NPC romances will never be up to the same standard and content as full-fledged companion LIs, if only because history has shown me they are not.  If DA:I comes along and proves it can have as much content and be as fulfilling if not more fulfilling, then I welcome it to do so.  Until then, my opinion is: NPC romances will always fall short.  

[Ryzaki]

But I liked Tali's face. It was actually really close to how I imagined it.

 

XD Was way too human for my liking.

[Hellion Rex]

The way I see it, they could be written excellently and still not pack the same punch as companion romances. There really is something to having your LI in the thick of battle with you, from a RP standpoint. NPC romances lack that element and that's why I don't prefer them.

 

 

I am of the viewpoint that NPC romances will never be up to the same standard and content as full-fledged companion LIs, if only because history has shown me they are not.  If DA:I comes along and proves it can have as much content and be as fulfilling if not more fulfilling, then I welcome it to do so.  Until then, my opinion is: NPC romances will always fall short.  

Totally agree with all these points. I absolutely love taking my LIs into battle with me. It's an awesome feeling.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I know there are other viewpoints.

 

That type of story line just has 0 appeal to me and has been done many times before.

This is basically how I feel, because it seems like it'll almost definitely be a sad, sob story about how awful being gay is. I really loved that DA was a world where we didn't have to deal with that. It's always a sad, sob story about how awful being gay is in media. That's incredibly draining and it's the last thing I want them losing a good thing for. I really don't see how else they're going to make sexuality into this big thing about the character, though, and I haven't seen any other suggestions.

[daveliam]

So I kind of see some benefit to it, like pallas said.  We do get to have actual gay and lesbian love interests now.  While I didn't mind the all bisexual approach, it is also really kind of cool that, with Cullen being an LI, it's looking more and more likely that we'll get an openly gay LI (who might also be our first openly gay male companion!).  This is kind of cool.  While I would really like that guy to be either DHMG, Iron Bull, or the Bearded Warden, I'd still recognize the importance of it even if it were my last choice (sorry, Solas). 

 

While I do like the all bisexual approach, I'm going to err on the side of optimism and think that this might work on for the best given that it's a much more inclusive team working on the project than the ME team.  The inclusion of NPC romances makes me a bit hesitant, but let's just wait to see how it works out, I guess.

[Ryzaki]

I am of the viewpoint that NPC romances will never be up to the same standard and content as full-fledged companion LIs, if only because history has shown me they are not.  If DA:I comes along and proves it can have as much content and be as fulfilling if not more fulfilling, then I welcome it to do so.  Until then, my opinion is: NPC romances will always fall short.  

 

This. Even if a companion and NPC have the same amount of content just the sheer perception of your LI being by your side through most of the crap BW PCs go through give them a massive leg up.

 

Only way I can see a NPC romance being on equal footing is if they dedicate a large amount of resources into them (more than the companion) which I don't see happening.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

This. Even if a companion and NPC have the same amount of content just the sheer perception of your LI being by your side through most of the crap BW PCs go through give them a massive leg up.

 

Only way I can see a NPC romance being on equal footing is if they dedicate a large amount of resources into them (more than the companion) which I don't see happening.

This is basically my exact thoughts on the NPC issue. 

[Deviija]

 I really loved that DA was a world where we didn't have to deal with that. It's always a sad, sob story about how awful being gay is in media. That's incredibly draining and it's the last thing I want them losing a good thing for. I really don't see how else they're going to make sexuality into this big thing about the character, though, and I haven't seen any other suggestions.

 

It is one of the reasons why I am a fan of the Dragon Age franchise and Thedas.  That it isn't some huge oppressive and abusive and violent system surrounding sexual orientation -- like it is in real life.  It does not interest me in my roleplaying and gaming entertainment, because I come to roleplaying and gaming for entertainment purposes, not to have reminders about how unwelcome and hostile things are for me and many others like us, and certainly not to have it mirrored within my games to show me that I'm not even welcome or valued enough even in a fictional world.  It's exhausting.  I prefer what we have now with DA. 

[daveliam]

It is one of the reasons why I am a fan of the Dragon Age franchise and Thedas.  That it isn't some huge oppressive and abusive and violent system surrounding sexual orientation -- like it is in real life.  It does not interest me in my roleplaying and gaming entertainment, because I come to roleplaying and gaming for entertainment purposes, not to have reminders about how unwelcome and hostile things are for me and many others like us, and certainly not to have it mirrored within my games to show me that I'm not even welcome or valued enough even in a fictional world.  It's exhausting.  I prefer what we have now with DA. 

 

I have a theory that the character who will be struggling with their sexuality will be Cullen.  I think he'll be free from the Templars finally and will start to open up to the inquisitor, which will force him to reflect on his own repressed sexuality.  For both male and female inquisitors.  For males, it will be around accepting that he is sexually interested in both men and women, which he's never allowed himself to think about.  For females, I just hope it's not a modified Carth Syndrome with dead lady Amell/Surana.....

[Hellion Rex]

I have a theory that the character who will be struggling with their sexuality will be Cullen.  I think he'll be free from the Templars finally and will start to open up to the inquisitor, which will force him to reflect on his own repressed sexuality.  For both male and female inquisitors.  For males, it will be around accepting that he is sexually interested in both men and women, which he's never allowed himself to think about.  For females, I just hope it's not a modified Carth Syndrome with dead lady Amell/Surana.....

Ugh...I'd prefer not have a "struggling" story because for one, there is a chance it could get screwed up. Also, I'm just really not up for dealing with a romance like that. As others have pointed out, the struggling with sexuality theme is one we see a lot in media, and I am not up for having to experience that in Dragon Age.

[stuffystuffs]

More complicated relationships with your companions.

 

 

I see people repeating things like this a lot.

 

What does this even mean?

 

Is it impossible to have no gender restrictions yet have more 'complicated' relationships?

[duckley]

I am of the viewpoint that NPC romances will never be up to the same standard and content as full-fledged companion LIs, if only because history has shown me they are not.  If DA:I comes along and proves it can have as much content and be as fulfilling if not more fulfilling, then I welcome it to do so.  Until then, my opinion is: NPC romances will always fall short.

Yup I agree. I think that making Cullen an advisor and an LI was a strange choice. So many thought his inclusion as a companion was fan service, but ironically, it could be be fan disservice!

[Darth Krytie]

Didn't we have this discussion before?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Didn't we have this discussion before?

We have to just keep having all the same ones until they throw us a new bone. lol      

[Hellion Rex]

Didn't we have this discussion before?

Round and around and around we go...
 

[WildOrchid]

Pretty much. I just wish the writers would announce the LIs already to save us from our misery.

But who am i kidding, they really enjoy it.