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[In Exile]

What's so confusing about Isabella is that she was somehow afraid of Castillon. I mean, Hawke could pretty much turn the guy into a shredded cupcake. That's what the problem was with her character arc that made her look so poor - there's just no reason to see her as being afraid of the guy. 

[The Hierophant]

Well, Ferelden is kinda on the opposite end of the map lol. I don't think the Qunari could get to Ferelden anyways.

Never underestimate the qunari. Even when they're sated by cookies and cake.

[wright1978]

And Isabela repeatedly makes fun of/insults Aveline for being "masculine" and "manly."  That is equally nasty to me.  Both are in the wrong, imo.  One's ****-shaming, the other is insulting womanhood for being something other than a very narrow view of what women should be.  
 
Reading in the codex that the two of them were friends was difficult for me to believe.  If they wanted to portray an antagonistic friendship, I wish they would have stayed away from using those kind of insults.

I thought the unlikely friendship was extremely well done.

[Dean_the_Young]

SUFFER

Why are you bringing up NarutoxSakura?

[pallascedar]

Eh, it felt really nasty to me. I mean Aveline just throwing around words like "****" all the time. Thats the whole relationship. When Isabelas life is in danger, she doesnt care and in fact she is against helping her in Act2. I mean do Avelines quest instead of Isabela and you lose her permanently. Sten and Dog have seem to have a more mutual friendship than Isabela and Aveline.

Play that quest again. If you dont agree to help Isabela at first then Aveline asks you if you're sure and says that maybe she [Aveline] can wait.

And Isabela provokes almost every insult from Aveline. She calls her prude, rusty, and"Lady man hands" among meaner things.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Never underestimate the qunari. Even when they're sated by cookies and cake.

That's why Sten as the Arishok will attack Ferelden. Revenge for them lying about there being cake at the Post-Blight celebration.

[The Hierophant]

What's so confusing about Isabella is that she was somehow afraid of Castillon. I mean, Hawke could pretty much turn the guy into a shredded cupcake. That's what the problem was with her character arc that made her look so poor - there's just no reason to see her as being afraid of the guy. 

Exactly. Though on the flipside i assume that Castillon had a monopoly on the shipping, smuggling business and could've blocked her from work by word of mouth.

[WildOrchid]

And Isabela repeatedly makes fun of/insults Aveline for being "masculine" and "manly."  That is equally nasty to me.  Both are in the wrong, imo.  One's ****-shaming, the other is insulting womanhood for being something other than a very narrow view of what women should be.  

 

Reading in the codex that the two of them were friends was difficult for me to believe.  If they wanted to portray an antagonistic friendship, I wish they would have stayed away from using those kind of insults.  

 

Oh trust me... most friendships start like that. And are the strongest ones. And after all those insults, the same insults can just be 'playful' and not with real meaning later.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

DHMG FOR NON-LI MAGE COMPANION!

Think of the innocent bystanders. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Think of the innocent bystanders. 

Tell that to eluvianix. He started it.

[Hellion Rex]

DHMG FOR NON-LI MAGE COMPANION!

You fight dirty...

[Hellion Rex]

Why are you bringing up NarutoxSakura?

Pffft. I ship NarutoxSasuke

[Hellion Rex]

Think of the innocent bystanders.

Don't worry. If we can't have him, they shall all burn.

[Ryzaki]

Just for that...

 

 

City. Elf.

 

pfft whatever.

 

Fem Qunari mage

 

 

What's so confusing about Isabella is that she was somehow afraid of Castillon. I mean, Hawke could pretty much turn the guy into a shredded cupcake. That's what the problem was with her character arc that made her look so poor - there's just no reason to see her as being afraid of the guy. 

 

I always saw it as more her being afraid of his influence. In her line of work having people gunning for you is bad. Could ruin deals, get the cops on you when you really don't need that crap and so on. Meanwhile Hawke wouldn't give a damn if Castillion's lackies chased him/her around.

[ladyoflate]

I feel like the conversation about Isabela taking the tome always ignores her very specific history with the Qun and the Qunari. She's from Rivain, a country that was under Qunari occupation longer than any other known country in Thedas, and her mother was a convert who sold her to a man who comes off as pretty well monstrous when Isabela refused to convert herself. (which also gives her an interesting perspective in relation to her taking on slaves, but that's a different conversationand a lot less excusable.) She was, at best, 19 when that happened and was more likely to be around 15-17. She wasn't thinking 'LOL MONEY' when she stole the tome, she was thinking 'I'm going to stick it to the people that took my mother from me and colonized my homeland!' (since even tho I believe that happened long before she was born, a nation will still always feel the effects). Isabela is a very selfish person, yes, but she's not someone who delights in ruining random people's lives and goes out of her way to make someone's day just that much worse.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Honestly, I could pretty easily forgive her for stealing the book. I don't like the Qunari, anyway, and I don't blame her for their choices. If she steals a book and the Arishok orders his people to burn down a city, it's her fault the city burns? No, it's her fault a book is missing. It's the Arishok's fault the city is burning. He made the call and I'm happy to kill him for it.

 

The slave issue does bother me about Isabela. I wouldn't kill her over it, but it does make me butthurt when people defend her over it and then kill Anders or go on about murder knifing Cole as soon as possible. I guess everyone just has varied moral values, though. 

[ladyoflate]

Honestly, I could pretty easily forgive her for stealing the book. I don't like the Qunari, anyway, and I don't blame her for their choices. If she steals a book and the Arishok orders his people to burn down a city, it's her fault the city burns? No, it's her fault a book is missing. It's the Arishok's fault the city is burning. He made the call and I'm happy to kill him for it.

 

The slave issue does bother me about Isabela. I wouldn't kill her over it, but it does make me butthurt when people defend her over it and then kill Anders or go on about murder knifing Cole as soon as possible. I guess everyone just has varied moral values, though. 

 

Yeah. I think the main reason why I can like Isabela vs Anders is that she understands that the things she has done are wrong, and tries to change for the better (except, again, the ending to her act 3 companion quest which was so outside of the flow of her character arc that i can't even) regardless of whether you rival her or friend her. Whereas Anders believes that he knows best for the other mages and continues to think that what he did was The Only Correct Thing and that it was fundamentally good, the which it was not.

 

I don't plan on murderknifing Cole, since from what I understand about him the boy needs a therapist and/or an exorcist and/or a spirit therapist. Also I haven't finished Asunder.

[Hellion Rex]

I don't plan on murderknifing Cole, since from what I understand about him the boy needs a therapist and/or an exorcist and/or a spirit therapist. Also I haven't finished Asunder.

Ummmm, yeah. Should probably finish that.

[ladyoflate]

Ummmm, yeah. Should probably finish that.

 

Going to! Going to!

[Sjofn]

What's so confusing about Isabella is that she was somehow afraid of Castillon. I mean, Hawke could pretty much turn the guy into a shredded cupcake. That's what the problem was with her character arc that made her look so poor - there's just no reason to see her as being afraid of the guy. 

 

Seriously, by Act 3 it's like ... you seriously don't think I can take care of this Castillon guy? Especially when you're my girlfriend and I already beat up the Arishok for you? I think I can handle it. Have some faith in me!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Honestly, I could pretty easily forgive her for stealing the book. I don't like the Qunari, anyway, and I don't blame her for their choices. If she steals a book and the Arishok orders his people to burn down a city, it's her fault the city burns? No, it's her fault a book is missing. It's the Arishok's fault the city is burning. He made the call and I'm happy to kill him for it.

 

The slave issue does bother me about Isabela. I wouldn't kill her over it, but it does make me butthurt when people defend her over it and then kill Anders or go on about murder knifing Cole as soon as possible. I guess everyone just has varied moral values, though. 

It's partly her fault, yes. Just like Anders is partly responsible for the annulment of the Kirkwall Circle. Their actions set off a reaction. If they hadn't done what they did, the other would not have happened.

[Grieving Natashina]

 

I don't plan on murderknifing Cole, since from what I understand about him the boy needs a therapist and/or an exorcist and/or a spirit therapist. Also I haven't finished Asunder.

That's not entirely inaccurate, but I agree with Elu.  You really should finish the book before you decide.  I personally like the character well enough, but it's certainly produced some mixed and rather strong reactions on the forums.

 

 

Seriously, by Act 3 it's like ... you seriously don't think I can take care of this Castillon guy? Especially when you're my girlfriend and I already beat up the Arishok for you? I think I can handle it. Have some faith in me!

I just finished that quest (as in, about two hours ago,) and it wasn't that simple.  She felt it would be dishonorable to just steal his ship from his dead body.  It wasn't that she didn't think we could wipe the floor with him, it was some sort of weird pirate code of honor I guess. 

 

On topic: Varric for LI, please.  Being best friends is the only way to be lovers, staying best friends is the only way to be married!  A gal can dream, can't she?

[Hellion Rex]

On topic: Varric for LI, please.  Being best friends is the only way to be lovers, staying best friends is the only way to be married!  A gal can dream, can't she?

Hey, I got my prayer circle still fired up for you Varric lovers. Y'all deserve to be happy too.

[Divine Justinia V]

Cole as a LI would creep me out tbh

[Hellion Rex]

Cole as a LI would creep me out tbh

Part of the problem (for me, at least) is that despite what David said, I didn't quite get that vibe from Cole. I didn't even think of him as being necessarily childlike. My only caveat with him being a romance for people, prior to David stepping in, was that he isn't even technically alive. He is a spirit, an entity from the other side of the Veil, and one who has utilized blood magic through killing people.