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[In Exile]

Most Bioware games have at least one for me. A character I don't dislike enough to enjoy arguing with or spend energy hating, but don't really like either. They just exist, and beyond acknowledging that they exist I don't think about or interact with them at all if I can avoid it.

 

In Origins it was Oghren, who I didn't care for at all. He drank a lot and was mildly irritating, and that's all I remember about him. 

 

Oghren was the one character in DA that I actively loathed and wouldn't want to be around. Other DA characters ranged from bland to great, but Oghren is a source of endless fury for me. 

[Shaen Mac Tir]

Oghren was the one character in DA that I actively loathed and wouldn't want to be around. Other DA characters ranged from bland to great, but Oghren is a source of endless fury for me. 

 

Funny though, I actually liked Oghren. Wynne, I did loathe.

[BubbleDncr]

Oghren was the one character in DA that I actively loathed and wouldn't want to be around. Other DA characters ranged from bland to great, but Oghren is a source of endless fury for me. 

 

I actually didn't let him become a grey warden in awakening...I sent him away.

 

I role played it as, "my warden hates being a warden, so she doesn't want anyone she considers a friend to suffer the same fate."

 

But it was really cos I don't like him....

[Melca36]

Oghren was the one character in DA that I actively loathed and wouldn't want to be around. Other DA characters ranged from bland to great, but Oghren is a source of endless fury for me. 

 

I Liked Oghren in Origins but I HATED him in Awakening.   One playthrough I even denied him being a Warden.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I didn't mind Oghren, I guess. I liked hearing him bicker with Anders in party banter for Awakening, but I always get him last in Origins and I have hardly any time to get to know him. Wynne's views annoy me, but she was an interesting character and her presence in Asunder has made her more interesting, to me. It really humanized her "perfect" idealism, if nothing else. 

 

I don't really like overly aggressive characters, like Sten, or Cassandra will fall into this, I'm sure. Sten at least had a lot of information to add about the Qunari. I'm concerned as to what I'll find interesting about Cassandra, but so far all of the companions have had something that made picking them up worth it, to me. I tend to start out skeptical and have characters grow on me. 

[Former_Fiend]

See, I love Oghren. He's one of my absolute favorite DA characters.

 

Just goes to show that opinions are always going to vary widely on these things.

[In Exile]

Funny though, I actually liked Oghren. Wynne, I did loathe.

 

I should be more specific: I didn't like Wynne as a person, but I thought she was a very compelling character (e.g. her hypocrisy and entitled, preachy attitude made her very interesting, because she had the same attitude to everything else in your life that she had to your LI choice).

 

Oghren, though, I hated as a person and as a character. He was just a disgusting troglodyte in a world that didn't even justify his own existence, and part of a society that didn't have the cultural or historical background to make his troglodyte views possible.

 

I didn't mind Oghren, I guess. I liked hearing him bicker with Anders in party banter for Awakening, but I always get him last in Origins and I have hardly any time to get to know him. Wynne's views annoy me, but she was an interesting character and her presence in Asunder has made her more interesting, to me. It really humanized her "perfect" idealism, if nothing else. 

 

I don't really like overly aggressive characters, like Sten, or Cassandra will fall into this, I'm sure. Sten at least had a lot of information to add about the Qunari. I'm concerned as to what I'll find interesting about Cassandra, but so far all of the companions have had something that made picking them up worth it, to me. I tend to start out skeptical and have characters grow on me. 

 

I don't mind aggression. Although I didn't find Sten to be aggressive, just forceful and uncaring. Which I suppose some people take to be aggressive, but I didn't think Sten was aggressive in his personal interactions with the Warden. 

[Turnip]

I Liked Oghren in Origins but I HATED him in Awakening. One playthrough I even denied him being a Warden.

This. I was really... Disappointed in Awakening Oghren. All the character development he went through in Origins was disregarded. He became an unfunny parody of himself.

[duckley]

After playing DA:O and DA:2 so many times, just about every companion began to get on my nerves LOL

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I don't mind aggression. Although I didn't find Sten to be aggressive, just forceful and uncaring. Which I suppose some people take to be aggressive, but I didn't think Sten was aggressive in his personal interactions with the Warden. 

The fact that he can attempt to mutiny the party puts him in the category, to me, but he's definitely not aggressive in the same way that Cassandra is. She's a hot head that just starts screaming and threatening people right off. Sten was a lot more together, he seemed more disciplined and definitely more in control of his emotions. I guess it just comes down to me being uncomfortable with characters that want the lead, on a personal level. I favor the "laid back rogue" types that crack jokes and come along for the ride. Like Varric, Isabela, Zevran, Awakening Anders. 

 

Don't get me wrong, though, it doesn't make them bad characters. There's line between "I like you" and "I like what you add to the story". I absolutely didn't like Sten as an individual. I don't like his belief system and I don't like him. I do like what he adds to the story and I think the Qunari are very interesting from an outside perspective. So far, nobody in a DA game has failed to meet the "I like what you add to the story" category, for me. 

[In Exile]

The fact that he can attempt to mutiny the party puts him in the category, to me, but he's definitely not aggressive in the same way that Cassandra is. She's a hot head that just starts screaming and threatening people right off. Sten was a lot more together, he seemed more disciplined and definitely more in control of his emotions. I guess it just comes down to me being uncomfortable with characters that want the lead, on a personal level. I favor the "laid back rogue" types that crack jokes and come along for the ride. Like Varric, Isabela, Zevran, Awakening Anders. 

 

Don't get me wrong, though, it doesn't make them bad characters. There's line between "I like you" and "I like what you add to the story". I absolutely didn't like Sten as an individual. I don't like his belief system and I don't like him. I do like what he adds to the story and I think the Qunari are very interesting from an outside perspective. So far, nobody in a DA game has failed to meet the "I like what you add to the story" category, for me. 

 

I just can't blame Sten for going "WTF!?" at that point in the game. My own (as the player) reaction was pretty much "I completely agree with you, searching for the alleged burned ashes of some religious prophet while all of Ferelden is burning is insane and stupid, but the plot won't let me do anything else!". 

 

I don't mind people who want to lead - they're just people that I, as the actual leader, have to knock back down and keep in line. Personally, I prefer people who are openly combative like that - the alternative is rumours and politicking, and that I can't stand. 

 

And I totally get the distinction between "don't like as a person" but "like as a character". I was just musing that I didn't find Sten to be aggressive, I suppose to me someone being aggressive has to involve them trying to do actual violence to me in a way that phazes me - which I get is a totally useless idiosyncratic definition, but I think that's partly because I'm told I can be very aggressive IRL. 

To bring this back on topic, I kind of wish for an aggressive LI, so if that's who Cas is, I think it'll be fun. It's just nice to have someone who stands up to you, not because of some contrived plot reason, but because that's who they are as a person. I like people who push back. 

[Milan92]

She's a hot head that just starts screaming and threatening people right off.

 

Its just her way of saying hello

[karushna5]

I don't like every companion, but they're usually all there to represent a viewpoint that adds something to the world and the overall story. There are some that don't look especially appealing to me as people, but calling them a "waste" is pretty rude to their fans and especially to their creators.

Waste is a bit much, I agree. Certain characters in my opinion lacked oomph. Oghren is my least favorite due to so much being put into dwarves for once, and then Oghren had to be this super caricature of a dwarf. We get so much cultural evidence and then he shows up being as stereotypical a dwarf that ever was.

I feel that I could meet Oghren in any fantasy thing that had dwarves and adds nothing to the story whatsoever. I feel so much more could have been done with his backstory (married to Branka, fordidden to fight while in the Warrior caste, being a berserker) and instead they went with drunkard who is crude. It does seem a waste of an oppurtunity.

[azarhal]

To bring this back on topic, I kind of wish for an aggressive LI, so if that's who Cas is, I think it'll be fun. It's just nice to have someone who stands up to you, not because of some contrived plot reason, but because that's who they are as a person. I like people who push back. 

 

I'm not sure if Cassandra fit the aggressive LI though. Yes, her demeanor is aggressive and the first meeting is going to be rough, but in DA2 she mellows a lot through the game (same thing in DotS) and DAI will have an even longer time-frame to interact with her.

 

I totally expect her to be a marshmallow romance, unless we get a "rival romance" filled with UST, anger and things (which would be quite explosive in her case).

[Grieving Natashina]

I wanted to share this bit of art by Aimo.  She did this back on Valentine's Day, but I'm not sure if she put it up here yet.  It's a hope I still hold on to, though it is dwindling by the day...

 

 

That's one of my favorites that she's ever done.  On behalf of those that are still holding out hope for a Varric romance, thank you!

[karushna5]

Hmm, Dorian might be charming. I am thinking Zevran but like if he was an important person. Charming, suave, flirty, but also... arrogance? I think DHMG is going to be very suave, but also very full of himself. A noble romance.

Sera is hard to tell, fun and friendly? A more laid back Li, which now that I think of it, Samantha was the only one who fit that from a woman Li. It might be nice.

Vivienne is hard to imagine, I see as it being tense at first OR she may pursue you once you initiate it, I dont know. Either way once it is a sure thing, I see it as being the kind of strong bond people rarely expect.

Solas looks so grim all the time, and I think he will be weighty. Not dark per say, or moody, but I think he has a lot on his shoulders, more thane and less Fenris in my opinion

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Hmm, Dorian might be charming. I am thinking Zevran but like if he was an important person. Charming, suave, flirty, but also... arrogance? I think DHMG is going to be very suave, but also very full of himself. A noble romance.

I hope this is true. 

[In Exile]

I'm not sure if Cassandra fit the aggressive LI though. Yes, her demeanor is aggressive and the first meeting is going to be rough, but in DA2 she mellows a lot through the game (same thing in DotS) and DAI will have an even longer time-frame to interact with her.

 

I totally expect her to be a marshmallow romance, unless we get a "rival romance" filled with UST, anger and things (which would be quite explosive in her case).

 

I think the issue here is what we mean by aggressive. Cas to me seems to be a strong personality - I don't see her asserting herself less in a romance. Kind of like Morrigan in that regard - she was more of a softie than she let on but she was still independent and forceful when it came to what she wanted for herself. 

[karushna5]

The fact that he can attempt to mutiny the party puts him in the category, to me, but he's definitely not aggressive in the same way that Cassandra is. She's a hot head that just starts screaming and threatening people right off.

I think that is actually very reasonable. Imagine Hawke was at Sundermount and when she/he got back Kirkwall was destroyed with bodies everywhere. And many NPCs dead even ones from your party you left behind.

Or the Warden returning and finding Denerim or whichever one they saved Amaranthine or the Keep in ashes with the bodies of favorite NPCs or old companions everywhere.

Its possible you will say "Do you know what happened here?" When one person walks out of the fade with their hand glowing in the middle of it, but I dont think it is overly hotheaded or petulant to get angry and demand answers and threaten that person. Not even a big leap to think they did it.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I think that is actually very reasonable. Imagine Hawke was at Sundermount and when she/he got back Kirkwall was destroyed with bodies everywhere. And many NPCs dead even ones from your party you left behind.

Or the Warden returning and finding Denerim or whichever one they saved Amaranthine or the Keep in ashes with the bodies of favorite NPCs or old companions everywhere.

Its possible you will say "Do you know what happened here?" When one person walks out of the fade with their hand glowing in the middle of it, but I dont think it is overly hotheaded or petulant to get angry and demand answers and threaten that person. Not even a big leap to think they did it.

I'm not really going by one instance here. If you watch Dawn of the Seeker, that's just kind of how she is about everything. Blade to throat really does seem to be how she says hello. lol 

[Turnip]

I'm not really going by one instance here. If you watch Dawn of the Seeker, that's just kind of how she is about everything. Blade to throat really does seem to be how she says hello. lol

I think we should all just be thankful that a sword to the throat isn't how she says goodbye...

That would be messy.

[azarhal]

I think the issue here is what we mean by aggressive. Cas to me seems to be a strong personality - I don't see her asserting herself less in a romance. Kind of like Morrigan in that regard - she was more of a softie than she let on but she was still independent and forceful when it came to what she wanted for herself. 

I don't see "strong personality" as aggressive. So yeah, different point-of-view on that and I get what you mean.

[Vaseldwa]

Yep.  He said that Cole has the mind of a child so he's not going to be an LI.

 

I am glad, personally  he brings out the mother in me! Always wanting to protect him or help him...despite what he is...supposedly...idk

[karushna5]

I'm not really going by one instance here. If you watch Dawn of the Seeker, that's just kind of how she is about everything. Blade to throat really does seem to be how she says hello. lol

Yeah I remember that movie, it wasnt all that good, but none of the movies have been. Vega's movie was even worse. She looks 16 so she was pretty young, but also it seemed fairly empty. I know the movies and books are canon but because few people who watch the movies/read the, books compared to play the game it rarely gets more than a throwaway line. And because of that, the movies rarely get characterization.

Personally I try to stay away from the side stuff because they more take away my enjoyment of the characters and series rather than add. Especially, since different mediums have different stories to tell, and different ways of telling it, so it can seem vaguely off.

That said, now that you mention it, she is the same way with Varric, stabbing books and yelling at him. She definitely is a hothead.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Yeah I remember that movie, it wasnt all that good, but none of the movies have been. Vega's movie was even worse. She looks 16 so she was pretty young, but also it seemed fairly empty. I know the movies and books are canon but because few people who watch the movies/read the, books compared to play the game it rarely gets more than a throwaway line. And because of that, the movies rarely get characterization.

Personally I try to stay away from the side stuff because they more take away my enjoyment of the characters and series rather than add. Especially, since different mediums have different stories to tell, and different ways of telling it, so it can seem vaguely off.

That said, now that you mention it, she is the same way with Varric, stabbing books and yelling at him. She definitely is a hothead.

Dawn of the Seeker actually wasn't all that appealing to me, either. It felt a bit flat to be a DA story. There was this obvious line for good vs bad and, while Martel and the girl that was to replace the Divine talked about acting for the greater good, you saw not much at all to explain what reforms they wanted to make. They'd have needed some pretty extreme benefits to justify abusing a child and pinning their backing on a group of blood mages that were as close to objectively evil as a human can get. They definitely didn't even approach morally grey.

 

That being said, though, I really enjoyed Asunder. It made Cole the character I'm most looking forward to in Inquisition and it really changed my view of Wynne, in a good way. It made her so much more human and relatable, to me. So, I guess it's a hit and miss thing. I'm still planning to read The Masked Empire, because it sounds like it has some pretty interesting information in it. I think the novels might have a better shot than the animated films at capturing what makes Bioware stories good. They have to condense so much for the movies, I think they lose complexity.