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Yeah. I would have really liked an option for Mage Hawke (or any Hawke) to ask about the mouth-sewing and the tongue cutting. When you're trying to debate the validity of Qunari values those aspects should definitely come up at some point.
Me to. As a mage I had no idea why I was helping her.
Tallis annoyed me because of how forced on us she felt. I didn't like her and I didn't agree with her beliefs. It's not so bad with other companions I'm not overly fond of, because I can talk to them when I want and bench them for the rest of the time. Having to have Tallis instead of choosing a companion I liked and would like to hear banter from made the whole DLC less enjoyable. The end especially frustrated me, because I in no way wanted to assist her. I left her in the caves because I didn't want to help her. Still, at the end, I gave her what she wanted. That made it seem like I agreed with her reasoning when it was the opposite of how I really felt.
I had the same problem. The area map was nice I just hated helping her and didn't understand why I would.
Yeah. I would have really liked an option for Mage Hawke (or any Hawke) to ask about the mouth-sewing and the tongue cutting. When you're trying to debate the validity of Qunari values those aspects should definitely come up at some point.
I was grumbling about that last night, actually. I'm going back through DA2 again and I just finished MotA. I'm still left scratching my head as a mage Hawke every time that goes through that DLC. It still blows my mind that sodding Duke Prosper comments about a mage Hawke and yet the Qunari elf that was in my party and that watched me throw fireballs and Gravity Ring around doesn't say a word.
I was fairly indifferent to Tallis. I did not care for her negatively or positively. She was just this third party that came by for a mission is how it felt. It was not enough time to get to know her or really delve into her character beyond the context of the DLC, imo. It is hard for me to get invested in characters when they are only around for a very short portion of time, and I rather our other main-stay companions get more screen time and content than a third-string or fourth-string guest character. Now if the Tallis DLC also made her into a full-game companion, then it'd be different.
How do you feel about the NPC romances, even though they aren't companions? Is it different because they aren't temporary? I'm not trying to give you a hard time; if anything, I feel the same about Tallis as you do.
Personally, this carries over into my feelings about NPC romances (not a fan of them at all,) but what about you?
I liked Tallis. 
When was she like this? Is this when she tried to get Varric to give her information? I thought she was trying to scare him.
Pretty much every time we've seen her except right before she kissed Regalyan on the cheek in DotS? 
Pretty much every time we've seen her except right before she kissed Regalyan on the cheek in DotS?
But she's a really cool character.
And do remember that Varric's story challenged much of her own beliefs and knowledge, so it's understandable that she'd be defensive about it.
But she's a really cool character.
And do remember that Varric's story challenged much of her own beliefs and knowledge, so it's understandable that she'd be defensive about it.
You can defend and not be aggressive. It actually works better if your trying to win a case.
Because I can't not: Oghren doesn't make real progess in Origins. He's basically enabled to the point where he thinks he's past what has happened to him, so he moves on with Felsi way too soon and convinces himself that being a hero is good enough. But it's not- the underlying issues (abandonment, anger, PTSD) are still there, and being a respectable married man can't change that. So he joins the Wardens, which is a one-way ticket away from the domestic life he's failed at and a death sentence with fighting, to boot. His "reset" in Awakening is realistic in that he needs more than someone who throws alcohol at him and bolsters his self-esteem- he needs to work through all the issues he brought up with him to the surface. And, given that DA doesn't seem to have AA or therapists, chances are he'll never be the Oghren he was pretending he could be at the end of Origins, but he can at least do good and maybe not destroy everything worthwhile in his existence. It's a complicated and frustrating character arc, and probably not what was intended before he was forced into Awakening, but it's one of my favorites in DA.
Relating this back to the topic, one of my enduring frustrations is that people argue that playersexuality destroys character agency, or natural character growth. However, characters like Oghren, who bucked the trend in Origins by not being a companion that could stay "saved" by the Warden's pure force of charisma and bottomless gift sack, tend to get a ton of blowback for not being malleable enough, or not conforming to the player's expectations and efforts. For all people talk about not wanting their PC to be the center of their companions' lives, they tend to get up in arms the moment that something implies that they aren't.
But she's a really cool character.
And do remember that Varric's story challenged much of her own beliefs and knowledge, so it's understandable that she'd be defensive about it.
It's just a personality that doesn't appeal to me at all. I don't know, I just haven't seen anything from her yet that makes me think I'll like her at all as a person. At most, I'm hoping she'll be in the "I like what you add to the story" pile, because I'm having a hard time imagining we'll be friends. She's also presumably on the other side of the issues from me, so I see her clashing with my PC a lot. lol
She's also presumably on the other side of the issues from me, so I see her clashing with my PC a lot. lol
Same with my PC but I'm looking forward to the clashing.
I hope she yells at my Dalish elf a lot.
Me, I admire and respect aggression, so it's hardly a turn-off for me.
I'm not going to pursue the female LIs, so it doesn't really effect me, but I couldn't really deal with an aggressive LI. It would feel too much like domestic emotional abuse, at that point. I can deal with it from a colleague that isn't really even a friend, but not from a partner. I was with someone in my mid teens that always tried to bully me into whatever they wanted by yelling and demanding. Noooooooot going through that again with an imaginary person. lol
I'm not going to pursue the female LIs, so it doesn't really effect me, but I couldn't really deal with an aggressive LI. It would feel too much like domestic emotional abuse, at that point. I can deal with it from a colleague that isn't really even a friend, but not from a partner. I was with someone in my mid teens that always tried to bully me into whatever they wanted by yelling and demanding. Noooooooot going through that again with an imaginary person. lol
Yeah one reason I felt Anders romance was sorta abusive. It was an unhealthy relationship because he was so aggressive and demanding in weird ways. I dont think they will do that with Cassandra, i think it will be more high strung than an anger issue
I didn't really feel that way about Anders. He actually seemed really sappy, to me. Is it a rivalry side thing?
I didn't really feel that way about Anders. He actually seemed really sappy, to me. Is it a rivalry side thing?
Its more the "IF YOU REALLY LOVED ME" spiel in act 3 where he pushes Hawke around during his poop bomb quest.
Plus the gaining of over 30 Rivalry points if turned down.
Yeah one reason I felt Anders romance was sorta abusive. It was an unhealthy relationship because he was so aggressive and demanding in weird ways. I dont think they will do that with Cassandra, i think it will be more high strung than an anger issue
I honestly don't know how to define his romance...it's weird. I tried romancing on my second playthrough (Fenris in the first), but once it started to get more serious...I just nope'd the hell out of there. Sh*t just got kinda weird, and I am unsure if it's me reacting to what I know he'll do in Act 3 or if it was something else.
Its more the "IF YOU REALLY LOVED ME" spiel in act 3 where he pushes Hawke around during his poop bomb quest.
Plus the gaining of over 30 Rivalry points if turned down.
Not gonna lie, I cackled when I read "poop bomb". 
Its more the "IF YOU REALLY LOVED ME" spiel in act 3 where he pushes Hawke around during his poop bomb quest.
Plus the gaining of over 30 Rivalry points if turned down.
Ah, it sounds like it's something I just didn't see with the dialog options I picked.
But she's a really cool character.
And do remember that Varric's story challenged much of her own beliefs and knowledge, so it's understandable that she'd be defensive about it.
Not only that, she brings the knife out after Varric tries being a wiseguy.
Not gonna lie, I cackled when I read "poop bomb".
Well only part of it is poop.
But still ruins the whole scene.
Since I imagine Sebastian screaming MAKER NO!!! and getting a giant flaming turd in the face.
I'm not going to pursue the female LIs, so it doesn't really effect me, but I couldn't really deal with an aggressive LI. It would feel too much like domestic emotional abuse, at that point. I can deal with it from a colleague that isn't really even a friend, but not from a partner. I was with someone in my mid teens that always tried to bully me into whatever they wanted by yelling and demanding. Noooooooot going through that again with an imaginary person. lol
I don't think she'd be like this in a romance necessarily.
I probably won't romance Cassandra anyway but I'd like some yelling matches with the Inquisitor over decisions and things important to the Inquisition. I very much want her to speak her mind when not agreeing 
Well only part of it is poop.
The remainder was pee.
Well only part of it is poop.
But still ruins the whole scene.
Since I imagine Sebastian screaming MAKER NO!!! and getting a giant flaming turd in the face.
I'd like to imagine every one of Sebastian's scenes ends with him getting a giant, flaming turn in the face.
I don't think she'd be like this in a romance necessarily.
I probably won't romance Cassandra anyway but I'd like some yelling matches with the Inquisitor over decisions and things important to the Inquisition. I very much want her to speak her mind when not agreeing
I'm now picturing on of Cassandra's potential love scenes to start out with them arguing then leading to passionate kissing and later sex.
I'm now picturing on of Cassandra's potential love scenes to start out with them arguing then leading to passionate kissing and later sex.
Stahp. You are making me want to romance her now 
I didn't really feel that way about Anders. He actually seemed really sappy, to me. Is it a rivalry side thing?
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