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[Cobra's_back]

The issue is that "quality" is way more subjective. A lot of people maintain that Alistair and Garrus are the best written, best integrated LIs of DA and ME respectively, for example. One person's "best romance ever" is going to be the worst for another, which is why quantity tends to imply a better chance of getting one you'll like. 

Alistair and Jacob are the booby prizes. Quality is subjective but not many want the guilt treatment or the dumping process. Again, I have no problem with the Bi-sexual approach. Could it be that BioWare is trying but they are afraid of possible backlash from dumping and guilt treatments? I like to take the wait ans see approach. As far as I'm concern some of the choices may be loaded choices. 

[AresKeith]

You would complain when they said they were doing it again...

 

They're not doing it again 

[BubbleDncr]

So straight guys/girls put yourself in other shoes to realize these complaints.

Straight guys imagine in the first game Kaiden was bi, Ash(who is a guy in this scenario) is gay, and Liara was a lesbian.
No options

In 2 all the Women are Lesbians, all the men are gay, 1 man assistant swings both ways.

In 3 when you chose between Ash and Liara, if you chose Liara, she has hidden feelings that are just now coming out. And the female pilot is getting over her dead husband, if you comfort her she is straight!

Your only options for a girl were Liara for one part of the game, and sarah Cortez the other games No options.
You would complain when they said they were doing it again...

 

Except they haven't said they're doing that again?

 

All they've said is characters will have set sexualities. And if they go the 2/2/2 route, everyone (except bi characters) will have two options. I see nothing wrong with that.

[Cobra's_back]

So straight guys/girls put yourself in other shoes to realize these complaints.

Straight guys imagine in the first game Kaiden was bi, Ash(who is a guy in this scenario) is gay, and Liara was a lesbian.
No options

In 2 all the Women are Lesbians, all the men are gay, 1 man assistant swings both ways.

In 3 when you chose between Ash and Liara, if you chose Liara, she has hidden feelings that are just now coming out. And the female pilot is getting over her dead husband, if you comfort her she is straight!

Your only options for a girl were Liara for one part of the game, and sarah Cortez the other games No options.
You would complain when they said they were doing it again...

 

I'm all for Bi-sexual choices. I just have to wonder if there is a reason they are doing this. 

[In Exile]

Alistair and Jacob are the booby prizes. Quality is subjective but not many want the guilt treatment or the dumping process. Again, I have no problem with the Bi-sexual approach. Could it be that BioWare is trying but they are afraid of possible backlash from dumping and guilt treatments? I like to take the wait ans see approach. As far as I'm concern some of the choices may be loaded choices. 

 

Jacob basically trolls the player, but what's wrong with Alistair? 

[karushna5]

And for straight women: same as above, Kaiden was bi, Ash was gay, and Liara was a lesbian. They talk about Ash(a guy) also being Bi but drop it.

In 2 all the women are lesbians, all the guys are gay, but the secretary is bisexual and he has a crush on you. Once again Thane, Garrus, and Jacob are all gay and as much as you like them, they are not an option as they all like men.

In 3 Kaiden comes back and still has feelings if you want them, a reporter is more than happy enough to have a trist. Also, your communication officer who is often awkward and is fond of his toothbrush is the first guy for just women.

I can also imagine the complaints.

[Cobra's_back]

I made a graphic or whatever without the blond guy, because of the dev comments on Cole having the mind of a child. If you want to exclude him and Varric from your list that still leaves Iron Bull, the bearded Warden, DHMG, Cullen and Solas. That would be 5. I won't exclude Varric from my list unless there is a dev comment saying or strongly suggesting there won't be a Varric romance.

 

Thank you. Let's hope he is but I'm not to hopeful. 

[BubbleDncr]

And for straight women: same as above, Kaiden was bi, Ash was gay, and Liara was a lesbian. They talk about Ash(a guy) also being Bi but drop it.

In 2 all the women are lesbians, all the guys are gay, but the secretary is bisexual and he has a crush on you. Once again Thane, Garrus, and Jacob are all gay and as much as you like them, they are not an option as they all like men.

In 3 Kaiden comes back and still has feelings if you want them, a reporter is more than happy enough to have a trist. Also, your communication officer who is often awkward and is fond of his toothbrush is the first guy for just women.

I can also imagine the complaints.

 

That situation would be exactly the same as my real ME playthroughs....I romanced Kaiden, didn't romance anyone in 2, and got back together with Kaiden.

 

So, no complaints here.

 

But again, they never said they were doing this in DA:I.

[karushna5]

They're not doing it again 

I mean set sexualities. It went really poorly for us this time around.

Imagine after that fiasco...
All the LIs Of the next game were available to everyone. You get the same amount of options as you did in all three games put together. I think anyone here would be very wary if they were going back to the old way of doing things, aka set sexualities. I trust Bioware, and things have progressed a lot since then, but people saying we are being unreasonable to complain just cant see it from our view

[karushna5]

That situation would be exactly the same as my real ME playthroughs....I romanced Kaiden, didn't romance anyone in 2, and got back together with Kaiden.
 
So, no complaints here.
 
But again, they never said they were doing this in DA:I.

And I liked Liara, but the fact she was my only option, and there wasnt anyone else to choose from was depressing

[Cobra's_back]

Jacob basically trolls the player, but what's wrong with Alistair? 

 

I call Al the female "warden guilt trip". I just played this one a few months ago.

 

Let's say you romance him and keep him romanced even after the Landsmeet. You have to make him do the DR if you want him to live. He hates Morrigan and now he has to sleep with her. You have to watch it as well. He is locked in at the gate in the end (unmodded). If he didn't do the DR, your Warden is responsible for his death.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

There's not much more reason to assume the system for DA:I will be fair than otherwise. There's cause to be hopeful, based on a trend towards more progressive choices from Bioware, but the fact is that this will be the first time set sexualities ended in equal content, if it happens. That's not really a situation to inspire absolute confidence. Until we find out what the actual numbers are going to be spread around, we don't know whether the system is going to be fair or not. Saying it will be fair or wont be fair are equally baseless claims. We just don't know.    

[Mockingword]

I refuse to feel even remotely sorry for straight women. I don't care if your love interests in Mass Effect died or dumped you, I didn't even get that much.

 

Plus, there are billions of media products out there that only showcase heterosexual relationships.

[BubbleDncr]

And I liked Liara, but the fact she was my only option, and there wasnt anyone else to choose from was depressing

 

I guess my thing is, the most recent bioware game I've played is SWTOR. Which they were horrible in and made all the romances straight only.

 

But I played every single class storyline, so basically 8 games. Each one basically only had one romance option. I didn't care, I was happy with my one romance.

 

I don't need options to be happy, I just want it to be fair. If there are only 4 romance option in DA:I, a straight male, a straight female, and gay male, and a gay female, I would be perfectly content, as long as they were all equally written (meaning, nothing like "only the straight female's LI cheats on you, and only the gay male's LI dies").

[Cobra's_back]

You can't have quality without quantity. For the content to be "quality" it has to actually exist first.

 

And romance stories that end sadly are not automatically bad.

 

You don't have zero choices in ME3. I do disagree with your comment: "You can't have quality without quantity. For the content to be "quality" it has to actually exist first."

 

You have more than one therefore it does exist. You have two and both could be Quality relationships or you can compare one against the other.

[karushna5]

There's not much more reason to assume the system for DA:I will be fair than otherwise. There's cause to be hopeful, based on a trend towards more progressive choices from Bioware, but the fact is that this will be the first time set sexualities ended in equal content, if it happens. That's not really a situation to inspire absolute confidence. Until we find out what the actual numbers are going to be spread around, we don't know whether the system is going to be fair or not. Saying it will be fair or wont be fair are equally baseless claims. We just don't know.

Exactly! Most of us are worried since it has happened before. I have repeatedly said I trust Bioware, but many people who have complained are voicing trepidation and wariness.

And in the end I adore Bioware, because they are the only ones who give me a game play I truly enjoy for a wide host of reasons. I am only getting a little annoyed when people say we have no reason to worry or complain about our trepidation. I believe it will be fair, but I think being concerned after the last way it was done is perfectly reasonable.

[Mockingword]

You don't have zero choices in ME3. I do disagree with your comment: "You can't have quality without quantity. For the content to be "quality" it has to actually exist first."

 

You have more than one therefore it does exist. You have two and both could be Quality relationships or you can compare one against the other.

I am not talking about ME3.

[Cobra's_back]

I refuse to feel even remotely sorry for straight women. I don't care if your love interests in Mass Effect died or dumped you, I didn't even get that much.

 

Plus, there are billions of media products out there that only showcase heterosexual relationships.

 

I really don't think anyone is asking you to care. We are discussing the difference between Quality and Quantity only. We are not trying to get you to feel sorry.

 

Again in ME3 you had two relationships and it seems to be balanced except for the Straight male. It is just data. 

[renfrees]

I'm impressed with your stamina, honestly. 200 pages of 2/2/2 and equality, and never tired.

[Mockingword]

I really don't think anyone is asking you to care. We are discussing the difference between Quality and Quantity only. We are not trying to get you to feel sorry.

 

Again in ME3 you had two relationships and it seems to be balanced except for the Straight male. It is just data. 

Well I'm not interested in examining ME3 in isolation from its wider context.

 

2 gay romances in ME3 doesn't fix the fact that there were none in the preceding games. Nothing fixes that.

[Cobra's_back]

I am not talking about ME3.

 

They didn't say they were going back to ME1 or ME2.

[Cobra's_back]

Well I'm not interested in examining ME3 in isolation from its wider context.

 

2 gay romances in ME3 doesn't fix the fact that there were none in the preceding games. Nothing fixes that.

 

That was the past. Do you really think they are going to do this again?

[AresKeith]

I'm impressed with your stamina, honestly. 200 pages of 2/2/2 and equality, and never tired.

 

It's super srs business apparently

[karushna5]

You don't have zero choices in ME3. I do disagree with your comment: "You can't have quality without quantity. For the content to be "quality" it has to actually exist first."
 
You have more than one therefore it does exist. You have two and both could be Quality relationships or you can compare one against the other.

But neither had any Quality, there is NO romance with Kaiden he just shows up and says he had feelings for you but everything was too busy to mention earlier. Cortez misses several cutscenes, and much less content than the companion LIs.

But that isnt the point. The very fact that 2 options should be enough even though you have at least 4 isnt fun. If it isnt fair than why do set sexualities? I am willing to give them a shot, and the idea of a character being just for me, a main one who is cool to say she is a lesbian, means a lot, if it is scribbles I will be... Really disappointed.

And if the people who still want more are saying,"It doesnt have to be fair, just 2 options." Than that sucks. I dont mind just having two options, merrill vs Isabela I was fine with. It is the disparity compared to everyone else. I mean many women have complained that (straight) guys have more options. Some (straight) men even complained that they didnt have More options.

It makes sense that lesbians and gay men might do the same.

[WildOrchid]

That was the past. Do you really think they are going to do this again?

 

I think DA team is better in this department than ME.... but there will be next ME and i think they'll focus on having more romances for the straight dude again.