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[karushna5]

I'm going to have to repeat it I guess.
 
5 LIs can gives everyone two choices as LIs while respecting having set sexualities in the mix, they never said that it was equality distributed between genders (2 bisexual choices for one gender and 1 bisexual, 1 gay and 1 straight on the other for the round down)
 
BioWare  already showed that it was more important to have representation across the game than in the party with its only 3 females companions because there is plenty of female character in the rest of the game...

Except they said multiple times that they would only stop having All Bi if everything was mostly equal. And I can tell you, no lesbian will feel represented by one gay guy, and no gay guy will feel represented with one lesbian. Its why on here I say lesbian and gay because we are no where near the same group, but sometimes when they want a gay option,like Liara and Chambers, than the gay element is completed, even though gay guys are not represented at all.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Ah, I misunderstood your point. I am reeeeeally not comfortable giving people who dismiss an entire race out of hand a pass (there is an awful lot of cultural crap to sift through for why that might be first, imo), but it's not a fight I particularly want to have. Suffice to say that it's way, way, way less head-scratching in my eyes for people to hope "gosh I hope that dude is into my gender" than the people who feel the need to install "let's make Isabella white" mods, and I think it's a much less problematic decision for them to have made than if they had gone down some different arbitrary yes/no branch.

 

What I wonder is if they'd have as many LIs as they seem like they're going to (assuming the everyone-gets-at-least-two logic holds) if they went everyone-is-bi. From a purely selfish standpoint, I prefer the bigger numbers (as I am one of those people perfectly happy to play either gender, and the only type of romance I never do is fem/fem, so I'd be +1 from DA2!). But I am totally aware that is selfish, and since it ultimately shakes out to still just two for an awful lot of people, I suppose OVERALL it doesn't really matter.

Well, I think the issue is also that we're dealing with races that are way more alien to us than just a human with another shade of skin. A Qunari is very different from a human. A dwarf is less different, but still fairly distinctive. Elves are even closer to human. So, I think it makes sense as to why elves are the most popular of the fantasy race for LIs. I'm pretty unclear on how much there is instinctual in our wiring that would preclude what percentage from having a real sexual attraction to someone that looked like Garrus, for example, but we're getting into pretty strange territory and I'm not sure we can expect the average person to "get over" mandibles for his great personality. That's all I'm really saying. Not so much that dark skin is something most people are wired for or against, but that the extremity of the fantasy races we're dealing with pushes the need for sexuality to be something more complicated than our usual hetero/******/bi standard we have with other humans. 

[Former_Fiend]

I'm going to have to repeat it I guess.

 

5 LIs can gives everyone two choices as LIs while respecting having set sexualities in the mix, they never said that it was equality distributed between genders (2 bisexual choices for one gender and 1 bisexual, 1 gay and 1 straight on the other for the round down)

 

BioWare  already showed that it was more important to have representation across the game than in the party with its only 3 females companions because there is plenty of female character in the rest of the game...

 

Alright, that math works out, though I don't particularly see any reason why they'd go with that route.

[Jazinto]

Alright, that math works out, though I don't particularly see any reason why they'd go with that route.

 

It's just that we can't say for sure they don't/didn't.

[Sylvianus]

In other news, what they did with Jacob in ME3 was seriously the biggest load of crap. I think part of why it made me so angry was because I know, deep down, they never even thought about doing that to a straight male Shepard.

 

 

That's because there's literally no female LIs that are as unpopular as Jacob, regardless of the gender. Jacob was very unpopular with female and male players. It is likely that the devs thought that not many people would mind him not being an LI again. I can't blame them, the contempt toward Jacob ( and the results in the surveys were astonishing ) was so ovherwhelming that I'd think myself it wasn't worth it to waste resources for him lol.

[SurelyForth]

I quite disagree. Some people want some things or others, but it is fairly easy to see that some sexualities have not been given a fair shake. Many lesbians, myself included, wanted Morrigan. Many gay guys wanted Alistair. But hardly approaching fair that 2 main plot characters were both straight, while Lelianna and Zevran were bisexual and also options.

I get this was the time, and gay stuff was on the hush hush. But today, fairness for me is the same amount of content. Something that I think most people here agree. We want what we want, but that doesnt make fairness any more nebulous. Same amount of content.

 

My point wasn't about not giving some sexualities a "fair shake", my point was about the individuality of human preference making it impossible for absolute fairness to be achieved as long as any content is exclusive. You might be happy with an equal amount of content, but that doesn't mean that other people with the same orientation as you won't be pissed that they're not getting someone else. People have unexpected and sometimes deeply personal feelings about the sorts of characters they do and do not bond with in these games, and while equal representation is awesome for what it is, it won't eradicate the fact that some people are still going to be stuck with LI options that they don't want. 

[Felya87]

That's because there's literally no female LIs that are as unpopular as Jacob, regardless of the gender. Jacob was very unpopular with female and male players. It is likely that the devs thought that not many people would mind him not being an LI again. I can't blame them, the contempt toward Jacob ( and the results in the surveys were astonishing ) was so ovherwhelming that I'd think myself it wasn't worth it to waste resources for him lol.

 The problem was that they didn't create an alternative. If there was at least a new male LI for FemShep, than I think there would have been much less rage about it. But they remembered the gay/lesbian and forgot about straight females 

[SurelyForth]

That's because there's literally no female LIs that are as unpopular as Jacob, regardless of the gender. Jacob was very unpopular with female and male players. It is likely that the devs thought that not many people would mind him not being an LI again. I can't blame them, the contempt toward Jacob ( and the results in the surveys were astonishing ) was so ovherwhelming that I'd think myself it wasn't worth it to waste resources for him lol.

 

But it was their own fault, really, for the way they handled his relationship with FemShep.

 

It went from her creeping on him, and him being deeply disinterested, to him being suddenly kind of into her? all while intimating stupid **** like him not being good enough for Miranda (but he is good enough for Shepard?) and then the cheesy love scene. Oh, and the horrifying loyalty mission that is triggering and problematic- it was all so discomfiting.

 

But even if they were doing it because or "resources", it was still a crap move (and, again, super problematic). There were people who actually liked him, and his romance, and BW basically invalidated their like towards him by making him the kind of ******* who would skip out on his girlfriend at the first sign of trouble and knock up another woman. The resources they devoted to his having to explain why he had a pregnant girlfriend could have easily been used as closure for the romance- it's not like he completely disappears from the rest of the game. 

[RynJ]

Everything about Jacob was awful. A boring character who made female Shepards act ridiculous in the romance scenes and then they go and do that to him. They should have added another male LI in his place in ME3. 

 

LIKE JOKER. 

 

Between that and Thane I was over it. I'll assume they won't kill off love interests like that in DAI. Or at least I hope they don't.

[Sylvianus]

 The problema was that they didin't create an alternative. If there was at least a new male LI for FemShep, than I think there would have been much less rage about it. But they remebered the gay/lesbian and forgot about straight females 

 

True. 

[Gwydden]

What's wrong with Jacob? 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

But they remebered the gay/lesbian and forgot about straight females 

I hate to keep making it a "who got screwed over worse" competition out of the "obviously got screwed over" pile, but it's just a little frustrating to hear stuff like this. Both gays and lesbians still only got one companion LI with decent content. Our "new" options in the NPCs weren't exactly mind blowing. I still would have taken the two companion LI + Thane deal that straight females got over the one possible companion, that straight women get anyway, plus one low content NPC. It's not like they lavished us with options. We just got one companion LI and one NPC, finally, on the third game.    

[Eveangaline]

So are we getting six LIS, 4 companions, and 2 npcs? Or is it 2 npcs and 2 companions?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

So are we getting six LIS, 4 companions, and 2 npcs? Or is it 2 npcs and 2 companions?

Nobody knows what the numbers will be right now.

[BubbleDncr]

So are we getting six LIS, 4 companions, and 2 npcs? Or is it 2 npcs and 2 companions?

 

We don't know, it's all speculation at this point.

[mopotter]

There is no way for anything else to be fair, because "fairness" is, as we have seen over these 200+ pages, a nebulous concept that has everything to do with the fact that different people want different things. Unless every love interest is available to every race/class/gender, someone is always going to feel like their choices are lesser, or unsatisfactory compared to the romances they can't do. As long as there is content marked "other", unfairness will be an issue.

Agree.  

 

Anyone play Fable 2 or 3?  You could romance anyone and everyone no matter who you were.  I really don't want BW to go in this direction. It was so boring to me, even though I did it    and the game itself was rather fun.  But even with their flaws, I'll pick BW first.  

 

I'm hoping the 2/2/2 option works.  I do not expect to like all of the available LI but even if I don't like the romance part, I'm pretty sure I'll like, love or hate the character and any video game character that can make me hate them or like them or love them, is pretty nifty.  

 

I've always wished I had gone into game developing so i could actually make the game I want.  The original BW guys, the doctors, always impressed me that they actually did that.  

[Cobra's_back]

What's wrong with Jacob? 

 

Jacob the guy that calls Shepard the prize in ME2. Can't see why Shepard would want to be called a trophy gets dumped in ME3. 

[Gwydden]

I hate to keep making it a "who got screwed over worse" competition out of the "obviously got screwed over" pile, but it's just a little frustrating to hear stuff like this. Both gays and lesbians still only got one companion LI with decent content. Our "new" options in the NPCs weren't exactly mind blowing. I still would have taken the two companion LI + Thane deal that straight females got over the one possible companion, that straight women get anyway, plus one low content NPC. It's not like they lavished us with options. We just got one companion LI and one NPC, finally, on the third game.    

ME3 was a mess. Everyone lost there. Some more than others, yes, but I'd rather nothing about the experience gets repeated.

 

Jacob the guy that calls Shepard the prize in ME2. Can't see why Shepard would want to be called a trophy gets dumped in ME3. 

I have never played a female Shepard, so I have no idea about how his romance goes. I was talking about the character in general, and why would so many people hate him. I didn't find him to be a mind-blowing character or anything, but I liked him.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What's wrong with Jacob? 

If you romanced him in ME2, he leaves you for Dr. Cole in ME3.

[BubbleDncr]

I've always wished I had gone into game developing so i could actually make the game I want.  The original BW guys, the doctors, always impressed me that they actually did that.  

 

You don't get to do that in game development, unless you're the big boss in charge and have unlimited resources.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So are we getting six LIS, 4 companions, and 2 npcs? Or is it 2 npcs and 2 companions?

I'm hoping for 8 LIs, 6 companions and 2 NPCs, myself.

[AresKeith]

I'm hoping for 8 LIs, 6 companions and 2 NPCs, myself.

 

That's a bit of a stretch Hina 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's a bit of a stretch Hina 

I know, thus why I said hope and not expect. 

[Hellion Rex]

I'm hoping for 8 LIs, 6 companions and 2 NPCs, myself.

Someone's swimmin' in the River DeNial.

[Hellion Rex]

That's a bit of a stretch Hina 

She's probably sun dazed from staring at a certain blond with her Byakugan...