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[WildOrchid]

Yep, it was BSN.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'm very confident that the 2/2/2 split is a BSN creation.  I thought that the basis of it was a statement that Gaider made (or, probably more accurately, that someone claimed Gaider made) that he favors having a variety of sexualities, but would always opt for all players to have choices regarding LI's if he couldn't have both.  Then, given that the lowest possible denominator in order to accomplish both things is 2 of each, the 2/2/2 split was born.  I'm pretty sure that was all us, though.  I've never even seen a dev acknowledge it, let alone discuss it as an option.

All "options" really means to me is that all sexualities would have multiple choices, so I'm not sure it even needs 2/2/2. Like, if 4 companion LIs were bisexual and both NPCs were straight, or one was straight and one was gay, everyone would still have more than 2 individual options.

[Hellion Rex]

Yep, it was BSN.

Lol, when isn't it our fault?

[BubbleDncr]

Yep, it was BSN.

 

Yea this is the first thread that I've really seen 2/2/2 being used.

 

I hope it's the case, even if it does make some of my ideal LI's (who currently aren't even confirmed as LI's lol) unavailable to me on my first playthrough. Makes things more interesting, and encourages more playthroughs. 

[Ianamus]

To be honest, even if it is solely the creation of the BSN I don't see what difference it makes. 

 

From just the leaked survey and a few snippets of concept art the forum basically had the entire companion lineup right months ago. Even Leliana, Scribe girl and Cullen being important NPC's was a "BSN creation", based of a single outdated piece of concept art no less, and the latest trailer has come within a hair's breadth of confirming it to be reality. 

 

It's just using logic and foresight and a good grasp of how Bioware games work to predict what will happen, and predicting how the LI's will turn out is no different. A 2/2/2 split was decided to be the most likely outcome if non-companion romances were involved because it makes the most sense logically based on prior developer comments about wanting to give everyone choice with the romances and a desire to include set sexualities if possible, as well as how Mass Effect 3 leveraged it's use of NPC romances to be more inclusive when it came to the romances.

 

Nothing is definite until confirmed, but I never underestimate the power of obsessed fans who think way too much about the subject material to work out far more than they should in advance.

[ahellbornlady]

Seriously, Cullen being an npc romance annoys me a lot. I don't know what to think. Maybe he is just one more romance ( like Sebastian in DAII ) to please his fanbase. (but scribbe girl seems very pretty too... )

 

Yeah, I really think it's a case of them just getting his romance over with to shut the fangirls up about it, but without actually making him a full companion so it doesn't anger the haters. I just hope it's at least well written but I'm expecting some Anders level angst. I'm actually expecting a rather short and content-light "romance" with him being an NPC.

 

Every time someone says "They did it with ME3! Like Steve Cortez!" I want to cry because MAKER NO

 

I DO NOT WANT CULLEN'S ROMANCE TO BE LIKE STEVE'S IN ANY WAY

 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Makes things more interesting, and encourages more playthroughs. 

For me, it discourages playthroughs. I'm only going to play as a male and romance other males. More male romance options for my male character would encourage more playthroughs, since it's not like I can romance multiple characters in one playthrough even if they're initially available. Less is going to do the opposite.

 

I get that some people will play both, but it's a double edged sword, since others wont. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

To be honest, even if it is solely the creation of the BSN I don't see what difference it makes. 

 

From just the leaked survey and a few snippets of concept art the forum basically had the entire companion lineup right months ago. Even Leliana, Scribe girl and Cullen being important NPC's was a "BSN creation", based of a single outdated piece of concept art no less, and the latest trailer has come within a hair's breadth of confirming it to be reality. 

 

It's just using logic and foresight and a good grasp of how Bioware games work to predict what will happen, and predicting how the LI's will turn out is no different. A 2/2/2 split was decided to be the most likely outcome if non-companion romances were involved because it makes the most sense logically based on prior developer comments about wanting to give everyone choice with the romances and a desire to include set sexualities if possible, as well as how Mass Effect 3 leveraged it's use of NPC romances to be more inclusive when it came to the romances.

 

Nothing is definite until confirmed, but I never underestimate the power of obsessed fans who think way too much about the subject material to work out far more than they should in advance.

I don't really think it's necessarily the most logical leap, at this point. All we've been able to find is a post where Gaider said they would consider putting in restrictions if everyone had options and there were numbers left over. From that to an exact 2/2/2 division including new NPC romances is a pretty big jump. We didn't even find a dev post suggesting they would always give everyone equal options. At this point, the entire speculation process has gotten very muddy and I think it's just as likely that the NPC romances might have specific restrictions or some other combination we didn't previously expect because we were all working on the assumption that David Gaider said he wanted 2/2/2, which now nobody has any evidence of.     

[Ianamus]

Yeah, I really think it's a case of them just getting his romance over with to shut the fangirls up about it, but without actually making him a full companion so it doesn't anger the haters. I just hope it's at least well written but I'm expecting some Anders level angst. I'm actually expecting a rather short and content-light "romance" with him being an NPC.

 

Every time someone says "They did it with ME3! Like Steve Cortez!" I want to cry because MAKER NO

 

I DO NOT WANT CULLEN'S ROMANCE TO BE LIKE STEVE'S IN ANY WAY

 

 

I don't see the problem. The people who wanted desperately to romance him get to romance him and will be happy, the people who want to romance the companions instead get to romance the companions and will be happy. 

 

Would Steve's romance be better if it didn't exist? If the options are "No Cullen romance" or "Light NPC romance" I choose the latter, because more content always trumps less content. 

 

 

I don't really think it's necessarily the most logical leap, at this point. All we've been able to find is a post where Gaider said they would consider putting in restrictions if everyone had options and there were numbers left over. From that to an exact 2/2/2 division including new NPC romances is a pretty big jump. We didn't even find a dev post suggesting they would always give everyone equal options. At this point, the entire speculation process has gotten very muddy and I think it's just as likely that the NPC romances might have specific restrictions or some other combination we didn't previously expect because we were all working on the assumption that David Gaider said he wanted 2/2/2, which now nobody has any evidence of.     

 

What we know is that David said, if everyone could have options, he would prefer to have a range of set sexualities. 

 

Therefore, if there are six LI's, the most logical conclusion is that they would have a variety of set sexualities. 

 

Obviously that there are even six LI's is an assumption, but again, with the previous games always having four LI's amongst the companions and Cullen, who is very likely an NPC, being confirmed as an LI, more than four LI's seems to be the most logical conclusion. 

[Allan Schumacher]

Yeah, I really think it's a case of them just getting his romance over with to shut the fangirls up about it, but without actually making him a full companion so it doesn't anger the haters.

 

I think you may be overstating the influence over a desire to "shut the fangirls up" or any reticence of not wanting to "anger the haters."

[ahellbornlady]

I don't see the problem. The people who wanted desperately to romance him get to romance him and will be happy, the people who want to romance the companions instead get to romance the companions and will be happy. 

 

Would Steve's romance be better if it didn't exist? If the options are "No Cullen romance" or "Light NPC romance" I choose the latter, because more content always trumps less content. 

 

Well, I mean.. I guess most BW romances are full of angst but you're right. Anything is better than nothing. I just know a lot of people felt ripped off by the NPC romances, like not being able to say goodbye face to face, things like that. Those seem fairly easily rectified though and I hope they've improved on the concept for DA:I. I'm just trying to keep my expectations low, lest I am disappointed. My fangirl heart is much too fragile.

[Mihura]

Cullen is probably the bi romance and it is an NPC. I hate the idea of having NPCs as romance but I was expecting this actually. Probably Leliana is gonna to be the bi npc romance too, Varric and Cassandra the straight one and Solas or Tevinter guy and Sera(girl with the bow?) the gay one. To bad I really liked Vivienne but I doubt they would make two humans romance.

It could be worse lol
 

[ahellbornlady]

I think you may be overstating the influence over a desire to "shut the fangirls up" or any reticence of not wanting to "anger the haters."

 

Of course, you're right. Though you have to admit, making him an NPC romance does accomplish both these things, no?

 

I suppose people will complain no matter what you do, though. Myself included. My apologies.

[Ianamus]

Well, I mean.. I guess most BW romances are full of angst but you're right. Anything is better than nothing. I just know a lot of people felt ripped off by the NPC romances, like not being able to say goodbye face to face, things like that. Those seem fairly easily rectified though and I hope they've improved on the concept for DA:I. I'm just trying to keep my expectations low, lest I am disappointed. My fangirl heart is much too fragile.

 

I trust the Dragon Age writing team. As much as I criticize and pick apart their inclusiveness and romance setups I do love and admire said romances and inclusiveness for a reason. They have always been three steps ahead of the Mass Effect team in terms of fairness with regard to the romance plots, and I trust them to handle potential non-companion romances with the same finesse. 

[daveliam]

To be honest, I don't think that it really changes much if we have a 2/2/2 dev quote or not.  The general principle stands that he likes a variety of sexualities but still wants to give people options.  There are only so many ways you can slice this apple:

 

* There are 4 - 6 LI's and they are all bisexual

* There are 5 Li's and the companions are bisexual and Cullen is straight

* There are 6 Li's and there is a variety of sexualities (in which they would need to do a 2/2/2 spread in order for everyone to get a choice)

 

I just don't see them doing more than 6 LI's in this game because it will almost double the amount of romances, which runs counter the earlier statements about the romances this time around.  So that means that one of those three choices is probably what we're looking at.  Now, within the 6 LI option, there are some different ways it can shake out, but the general idea is pretty similar.  Unless I'm missing something, which I might be, because my brain is addled today.

[WildOrchid]

For me, it discourages playthroughs. I'm only going to play as a male and romance other males. More male romance options for my male character would encourage more playthroughs, since it's not like I can romance multiple characters in one playthrough even if they're initially available. Less is going to do the opposite.

 

I get that some people will play both, but it's a double edged sword, since others wont. 

 

Yes this. 3 ladies available (or dudes), meaning more playthroughs with different inquisitors and options. This is the best.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

What we know is that David said, if everyone could have options, he would prefer to have a range of set sexualities. 

 

Therefore, if there are six LI's, the most logical conclusion is that they would have a variety of set sexualities. 

 

Obviously that there are even six LI's is an assumption, but again, with the previous games always having four LI's amongst the companions and Cullen, who is very likely an NPC, being confirmed as an LI, more than four LI's seems to be the most logical conclusion. 

It's an incredibly vague statement that, if they can offer at least 2 LIs for everyone, they might gate some of them. So, all we can really assume is that maybe we will get one or more gated romances if there are more than 4 romances, but not enough that everyone wont have 2 options. 

 

At this point, I don't think we're going to make any guesses based on actual evidence as to what the sexuality demographics will be. It's a lucky guess to whatever wins, at this point, imo.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Cullen is probably the bi romance and it is an NPC. I hate the idea of having NPCs as romance but I was expecting this actually. Probably Leliana is gonna to be the bi npc romance too, Varric and Cassandra the straight one and Solas or Tevinter guy and Sera(girl with the bow?) the gay one. To bad I really liked Vivienne but I doubt they would make two humans romance.

It could be worse lol
 

Leliana won't be an LI. They've said characters who were LIs before won't be again. Scribbles will most likely be the female NPC LI.

 

[daveliam]

For me, it discourages playthroughs. I'm only going to play as a male and romance other males. More male romance options for my male character would encourage more playthroughs, since it's not like I can romance multiple characters in one playthrough even if they're initially available. Less is going to do the opposite.

 

I get that some people will play both, but it's a double edged sword, since others wont. 

 

I'm in the same boat too.  If one of the guys were a female only option, I'd just never romance him.  Same way I just don't romance Isabela or Merrill.

[ahellbornlady]

I trust the Dragon Age writing team. As much as I criticize and pick apart their inclusiveness and romance setups I do love and admire said romances and inclusiveness for a reason. They have always been three steps ahead of the Mass Effect team in terms of fairness with regard to the romance plots, and I trust them to handle potential non-companion romances with the same finesse. 

 

Yeah, I have to keep reminding myself that the writing team for ME isn't the same as for DA. I haven't really been disappointed with a DA romance yet, despite the extreme angst. It always hurts in a good way. I pray you're right.

[BubbleDncr]

I'm in the same boat too.  If one of the guys were a female only option, I'd just never romance him.  Same way I just don't romance Isabela or Merrill.

 

But Isabella and Merrill are romancable no matter what gender you play...

[Sylvianus]

Sheesh, the speculation around 2 /2 /2 set sexualities seems very complicated in my eyes after reading more than 50 pages in this thread and the other ones. Thinking about who should be gay, or bi or straight gave me a headhache. Just give the playersexual thing again ( improved )with some restrictions based on choices for some characters and that's it; 

 

Also what David want might not be what the DA team wants. 

[Ianamus]

 

It's an incredibly vague statement that, if they can offer at least 2 LIs for everyone, they might gate some of them. So, all we can really assume is that maybe we will get one or more gated romances if there are more than 4 romances, but not enough that everyone wont have 2 options. 

 

At this point, I don't think we're going to make any guesses based on actual evidence as to what the sexuality demographics will be. It's a lucky guess to whatever wins, at this point, imo.

 

It's never just a lucky guess. 

 

As anybody who knows me well will tell you, I never speak in certainties, because nothing is ever certain. But I do overthink things, massively, and I do genuinely believe that, after weighing all of the evidence, the 2/2/2 LI setup with two non-companion LI's seems like the most likely outcome at the moment. 

 

I'll admit defeat if I am proven wrong, but that is a debate for when the setup is finally revealed. Until then I will continue to rethink my stance on the most likely scenario given the information at hand. 

[Mihura]

 

Leliana won't be an LI. They've said characters who were LIs before won't be again. Scribbles will most likely be the female NPC LI.

 

 

 

In that case it is almost certain that the scribe girl is a LI than, and since I doubt they make npcs straight or gay because of Cullen, it is bi lol

Still think DA 2 was the best solution, oh well.

[Mad Cassidy]

Personally, I'm hoping all LIs are open to everybody. Failing that, I can live with a 2/2/2 split if Cass is open to women (she's tough, practical, and dat jawline...*ahem* anyway...). Vivienne sort of rubs me the wrong way from all I've heard of her (which, admittedly, hasn't been that much), and I know nothing about Sera and Scribbles, so they're complete wildcards.

 

As much as it'd be great to have a 2/2/2 split so we can finally have some influential gay and lesbian characters who aren't the PC, it's inevitably going to leave someone out in the cold. Plus, after ME3 I can't help but feel they'd get relegated to non-follower NPC position, but that may just be me being cynical.