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Not sure if I like so many romances. I prefer quality over quantity.
Easy to say when you already have the romance you want. The others will probably be doomed to like one character more than the others. You have Cass, i have no confirmation on her sexuality whatsoever. :/
I'm personally do not like symmetry that much. It's not realistic (to use the ev0l word), it makes the whole thing looks quite artificial with all the little boxes being arranged the exact same way on both side.
I'm personally do not like symmetry that much. It's not realistic (to use the ev0l word), it makes the whole thing looks quite artificial with all the little boxes being arranged the exact same way on both side.
Heaven forbid it be unrealstic. 
I'm personally do not like symmetry that much. It's not realistic (to use the ev0l word), it makes the whole thing looks quite artificial with all the little boxes being arranged the exact same way on both side.
Whenever something is argued for the sense of realism, I want the opposite. The romance system is not realistic. You're able to romance anyone regardless of race in a very racist society.
Easy to say when you already have the romance you want. The others will probably be doomed to like one character more than the others. You have Cass, i have no confirmation on her sexuality whatsoever. :/
Where am I saying that I don't think Cass should be bi? All I'm saying is that I prefer it if they don't make everyone a LI because its always gonna hurt the quality if they do.
All I'm saying is that I prefer it if they don't make everyone a LI because its always gonna hurt the quality if they do.
Please explain this to me. How in the world do you know for a fact that quality will suffer if there are more LIs, or if they open up the LIs that they do have to more people.
I'm not going to mourn the loss of DA2's romance system. Lazy is probably the easiest way to describe it.
Less plot relevancy than in Origins, less dialogue with companions than in Origins. Time skips often made no sense with regard to the romances. "LI moving into your house" handled really badly, very bare-bones. No need to be nice to companions, rivalry can lead to romance even if your just mean. Four bisexual LI's because it's the easiest way of giving everyone more than one option...
Yeah. People keep going on about how brilliant they were but DA2's romances really were as rushed and cut-down as everything else in the game. Far more along the lines of Mass Effect's romances than Origins. Bring on Inquisitions new romance system.
Where am I saying that I don't think Cass should be bi? All I'm saying is that I prefer it if they don't make everyone a LI because its always gonna hurt the quality if they do.
I didn't say that. At all.
I said that you already have the romance you want, so you don't worry at all. I worry because the only romance i'm interested in is Cass. I wasn't talking about making everyone a LI.
Please explain this to me. How in the world do you know for a fact that quality will suffer if there are more LIs, or if they open up the LIs that they do have to more people.
If they make all the companions LI's then they have to create more content - which as a result means that they have to focus on more different content - which as a result means they have to spread out resources on more stuff - which as a result will create less time to work on each romance.
Its simple math. I'm not saying they shouldn't be bi btw. I have nothing against that at all.
Please explain this to me. How in the world do you know for a fact that quality will suffer if there are more LIs, or if they open up the LIs that they do have to more people.
Because men and women are so different that it changes everything and unless those differences are explicitly mentioned at every turn in every conversation with my LI, it cheapens the romance!
Alternatively: Because bisexuality is ~weird~ and it just feels like there's no character agency there and it cheapens the romance if they'll just fall in love with anyone.
I didn't say that. At all.
I said that you already have the romance you want, so you don't worry at all. I worry because the only romance i'm interested in is Cass. I wasn't talking about making everyone a LI.
I'm starting to worry about the quality of each romance if the 8 LI options really are true.
Maybe you could just not click the romance dialog options and leave at least some characters ambiguous if you don't like the sexuality demographics. Isn't that what we always get told about switching genders if we don't like the gating? "Just roleplay it".
Because men and women are so different that it changes everything and unless those differences are explicitly mentioned at every turn in every conversation with my LI, it cheapens the romance!
I was writing this. 
I'm not going to mourn the loss of DA2's romance system. Lazy is probably the easiest way to describe it.
Less plot relevancy than in Origins, less dialogue with companions than in Origins. Time skips often made no sense with regard to the romances. "LI moving into your house" handled really badly, very bare-bones. No need to be nice to companions, rivalry can lead to romance even if your just mean. Four bisexual LI's because it's the easiest way of giving everyone more than one option...
Yeah. People keep going on about how brilliant they were but DA2's romances really were as rushed and cut-down as everything else in the game. Far more along the lines of Mass Effect's romances than Origins. Bring on Inquisitions new romance system.
But as you said, the whole game was rushed. If they had more time with it, like Inquisition does, they'd be able to do a lot more with it.
Because men and women are so different that it changes everything and unless those differences are explicitly mentioned at every turn in every conversation with my LI, it cheapens the romance!
Alternatively: Because bisexuality is ~weird~ and it just feels like there's no character agency there and it cheapens the romance if they'll just fall in love with anyone.
Can we not try to go on this tangent
Please let's not get hasty here. I'm sure DAI will be fine and have good romances for everyone,
Can we not try to go on this tangent
In their defense, quite a few people use that argument on here.
I'm not going to mourn the loss of DA2's romance system. Lazy is probably the easiest way to describe it.
Less plot relevancy than in Origins, less dialogue with companions than in Origins. Time skips often made no sense with regard to the romances. "LI moving into your house" handled really badly, very bare-bones. No need to be nice to companions, rivalry can lead to romance even if your just mean. Four bisexual LI's because it's the easiest way of giving everyone more than one option...
Yeah. People keep going on about how brilliant they were but DA2's romances really were as rushed and cut-down as everything else in the game. Far more along the lines of Mass Effect's romances than Origins. Bring on Inquisitions new romance system.
None of that was a problem of the romance system, it was a problem of the development time. It's just a pointless argument to apply the overall, unrelated problem present in every aspect of DA2 onto the romance system, specifically. The potential of the old system with greater development time is still there, and the drawbacks of the new system with less development time would be just as extreme.
AmenI'm not going to mourn the loss of DA2's romance system. Lazy is probably the easiest way to describe it.
Less plot relevancy than in Origins, less dialogue with companions than in Origins. Time skips often made no sense with regard to the romances. "LI moving into your house" handled really badly, very bare-bones. No need to be nice to companions, rivalry can lead to romance even if your just mean. Four bisexual LI's because it's the easiest way of giving everyone more than one option...
Yeah. People keep going on about how brilliant they were but DA2's romances really were as rushed and cut-down as everything else in the game. Far more along the lines of Mass Effect's romances than Origins. Bring on Inquisitions new romance system.
In their defense, quite a few people use that argument on here.
Can we not try to go on this tangent
Especially when it's not what the person was originally saying.
I see it far too often in these threads. Someone says something and somebody else completely misinterprets it and blows it out of proportion, going on a tirade about how it's offensive or "biphobic" and then everybody likes that post, completely ignoring the fact that it has nothing to do with what the person originally said.
I honestly don't understand the argument that LIs need to act differently towards different genders, at all. I see this a lot and I don't even know what sort of difference is expected. To me, it seems like something that could just as easily come across as offensive as not.
It actually did come up again within the last 2-3 pages that romances should vary by gender. It was the same post that suggested less content to allow for more gated LIs.
None of that was a problem of the romance system, it was a problem of the development time. It's just a pointless argument to apply the overall, unrelated problem present in every aspect of DA2 onto the romance system, specifically. The potential of the old system with greater development time is still there, and the drawbacks of the new system with less development time would be just as extreme.
Plus, the Rivalmeter was an attempt to correct the lack of gray that resulted from a straight Approval/Disapproval meter, like in DAO, without abandoning companion feedback, a la Mass Effect. So not only were they rushed for time, they were also implementing a new parameter for relationships (which did result in them being different in several small and not small ways, which took even more resources and contributed to the fact that every aspect of the romances felt less substantial).
Especially when it's not what the person was originally saying.
I see it far too often in these threads. Someone says something and somebody else completely misinterprets it and blows it out of proportion, going on a tirade about how it's offensive or "biphobic" and then everybody likes that post, completely ignoring the fact that it has nothing to do with what the person originally said.
But it does come up all the time, and for the most part the only arguments people have against playersexuality is "it cheapens the romances and/or characters, for reasons" never minding the extraneous reasons for DA2's romances being slight compared to DAO. There are SO MANY OTHER THINGS in our interactions with companions, in and out of romance, that flattens the relationship and legitimately damages their character agency, yet it is bisexuality and mutable sexuality, of all things, that is continually and constantly called out.
I honestly don't understand the argument that LIs need to act differently towards different genders, at all. I see this a lot and I don't even know what sort of difference is expected. To me, it seems like something that could just as easily come across as offensive as not.
It actually did come up again within the last 2-3 pages that romances should vary by gender. It was the same post that suggested less content to allow for more gated LIs.
Well, and not only that but the romances did differ on gender. There were different discussions in DA2, like Merrill being worried about having a child with Male Hawke but not with Female Hawke.
Personally i thought romances in DA2 were great apart from large time skips which were a poor idea on a wider scale, not just in terms of a romance timetable.
I really don't buy into this notion that you stick an arbitrary orientation gate on romances will improve the quality, think it's likely to have the opposite effect as you have to compensate for blocking off content.
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