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[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's the future. Lots and lots of means to stop getting pregnant.
As for Jack - she is not a gal wanting to have children

So? Doesn't answer my question.

[SurelyForth]

I kinda want a small little date thing. I liked Kaidan's short dinner date. I really enjoyed it.

 

Those were nicely done, even when they were just friends hanging out with one another. 

 

You know what else I think they should incorporate from other games? Letters. In SWTOR, your LI sends you three emails after the companion conversations end, and they're a really nice way to add a little back-end on the romances without requiring a bunch of resources. I think it would be fun to find a note or two from your LI, in your private office or slipped in with your other messages. 

[Hellion Rex]

Those were nicely done, even when they were just friends hanging out with one another. 

 

You know what else I think they should incorporate from other games? Letters. In SWTOR, your LI sends you three emails after the companion conversations end, and they're a really nice way to add a little back-end on the romances without requiring a bunch of resources. I think it would be fun to find a note or two from your LI, in your private office or slipped in with your other messages. 

That would be cool. Little things like that would be a nice touch, while not consuming enormous amounts of resources.

[Sjofn]

Pregnancy and children are a very touchy issue that I think is best left out of the equation. People have a lot of varied thoughts on the issue and it would be difficult to represent all of them. I don't think a video game really needs "pregnancy scare" content for hetero couples. I just don't feel like most people, especially most women playing female characters, wants to deal with that kind of thing. 

 

Yeah, I would like it if there weren't those kind of customs and I don't want them heavily highlighted. Thedas is supposed to be a fairly gender equal nation. If LIs are going to be giving varied gifts in a romance, I'd rather they be related to in game choices, in some way. Not in relation to my gender, in a way that may or may not even be relevant to the personality of the character I've made. I don't want them highlighting my gender. I want them to focus on something actually relevant to the story. It just seems like a huge waste of dialog, to me. 

 

It doesn't need a pregnancy scare or anything like that, but in a world where who your parents are by blood matters, that's a conversation that is going to vary pretty wildly depending on the genders involved. Now, for the Inquisitor, it probably doesn't need to come up at all (I am assuming you're essentially a nobody to start with and not likely to wind up, say, ruling Orlais or something). But it mattered with Alistair, for example, and while a female human noble warden could encourage aggressively ignoring reality, a male warden would be in the same boat as the other ladies were: Babies matter in this case, and you will absolutely not be providing any acceptable ones, even with the most wishful of thinking. So Alistair totally could be bisexual, but the topic of babies is going to matter in that romance if you make him king, and the way he dumps you because of it would probably be handled a little differently when he's kicking his boyfriend to the curb instead of his elf girlfriend.

 

That aside, some versions of romances are just heavily gendered, for good and for ill. I hate the Corso Riggs romance in SWTOR. I hate it more than anything in any game I have ever played. It's also a romance that absolutely only works if the PC is female, and would be REALLY stretching believability if it was Corsa Riggs instead. Corso could be bisexual, but the way he'd woo a gentleman is absolutely not going to be the way he chases a lady (something he calls you a million times, no matter how many times you tell him to knock that crap off). And I may loathe that romance (seriously, it is the WORST), but there are also a lot of ladies out there who loved that romance, and cutting down on the variety of romances potentially available to be written is something I think the "LIs should treat the genders differently" are getting at. Yeah, that's going to be a romance I hate, but there are romances I love to bits that THEY hate (luv u forever, doc), so ... eh. I won't begrudge them their idiot white knight, so long as I can make fun of it repeatedly!

 

PS: Did I mention that the Corso romance is the worst? Because it is. The Corso romance is the worst.

[Chari]

So? Doesn't answer my question.

It answers.
No risk of accidentally getting pregnant - no need to discuss
For Jack it is almost a one night stand. Ashley being a Christian probably doesn't want kids till married. Miranda can't have children though she wants, apparently. Alien LIs can't have babies except Liara, who is pretty young by asari terms for this

[Hanako Ikezawa]

One of the main reasons I want the masquerade ball/ballroom gala.  To take your LI with you and have a dance, share some romance, enjoy some conversation.  

I'd like if the dance you do alters slightly depending on the personality of the companion.

[Hellion Rex]

I'd like if the dance you do alters slightly depending on the personality of the companion.

I wonder if they'd blink twice if you're both the same gender, since we are in Orlais.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It answers.
No risk of accidentally getting pregnant - no need to discuss
For Jack it is almost a one night stand. Ashley being a Christian probably doesn't want kids till married. Miranda can't have children though she wants, apparently. Alien LIs can't have babies except Liara, who is pretty young by asari terms for this

My question was "Are the characters more shallow because they never bring it up?" So no, them being in the future so contraceptives exist does not answer my question. It's a yes or no question.

[myahele]

I hope we can have a ball room scene with one of our love interest. Think Beaty and the beast....or guts and casca ball room scene.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I wonder if they'd blink twice if you're both the same gender, since we are in Orlais.

Probably not. They'd react more if you were a nonhuman dancing with a human, or a human dancing with an nonhuman.

 

It'd be sad if random NPCs respond to your race in a romance more than the companions though.

[Uirebhiril]

I think a ball scene would be kind of fun, but you have to wonder how that would work with a race other than human. The nobles there might not care about your date being the same gender, but something like an elf and a qunari? Oh, the scandal...

 

Edit: And it seems someone else thought about that at the same time...

[Chari]

My question was "Are the characters more shallow because they never bring it up?" So no, them being in the future so contraceptives exist does not answer my question. It's a yes or no question.

I don't answer to that question - if it ever was there, since I don't even remember it - I answer to your question why Jack and Ashley don't bring it up

[Darth Krytie]

Those were nicely done, even when they were just friends hanging out with one another. 

 

You know what else I think they should incorporate from other games? Letters. In SWTOR, your LI sends you three emails after the companion conversations end, and they're a really nice way to add a little back-end on the romances without requiring a bunch of resources. I think it would be fun to find a note or two from your LI, in your private office or slipped in with your other messages. 

 

I think the same happened with ME3's datapad, but you only got them if you used an IOS. I'd like it without needing a secondary game/dl.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't answer to that question - if it ever was there, it was too insignificant to pay attention to it - I answer to your question why Jack and Ashley don't bring it up

So they aren't noticeably more shallow. Or in other words, just as deep. So then why is having specialized responses only available to set orientations important again? The biggest type of that provides no difference. 

[myahele]

Does anybody know the name of the composer so that I can have an idea of how the love theme may sound.

Hopefully there'll be vocals similar to the love theme in dao. In fact, I'd want a Suteki Da Ne (ffx) level of love confession/making

[Hellion Rex]

Does anybody know the name of the composer so that I can have an idea of how the love theme may sound.

Hopefully there'll be vocals similar to the love theme in dao. In fact, I'd want a Suteki Da Ne (ffx) level of love confession/making

Trevor Morris is the composer.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

That aside, some versions of romances are just heavily gendered, for good and for ill. I hate the Corso Riggs romance in SWTOR. I hate it more than anything in any game I have ever played. It's also a romance that absolutely only works if the PC is female, and would be REALLY stretching believability if it was Corsa Riggs instead. Corso could be bisexual, but the way he'd woo a gentleman is absolutely not going to be the way he chases a lady (something he calls you a million times, no matter how many times you tell him to knock that crap off). 

I've never played the game, so I don't really understand. What about it makes it only work with him as a male and the PC as a female? Is it just that he calls you a "lady"? Because that seems like something that could be changed pretty easily without actually altering the tone much. 

[Chari]

So they aren't noticeably more shallow. Or in other words, just as deep. So then why is having specialized responses only available to set orientations important again? The biggest type of that provides no difference.

That's some funny conclusion based on my lack of answer to that nonexisting question and your lack of understanding the lore
I answered that before many times - yes, it matters
As said many times before, homosexual couples can't have a baby, they never have a risk of accidentally getting pregnant, can't have a heir. Heterosexual couples do have such risk, have to plan how to deal with possible consequences. Including how society works in Theda's that adds a new layer of problems and responsibilities

[In Exile]

That's some funny conclusion based on my lack of answer to that nonexisting question and your lack of understanding the lore
I answered that before many times - yes, it matters
As said many times before, homosexual couples can't have a baby, they never have a risk of accidentally getting pregnant, can't have a heir. Heterosexual couples do have such risk, have to plan how to deal with possible consequences. Including how society works in Theda's that adds a new layer of problems and responsibilities

 

Hetereosexual couples only have a risk of pregnacy if they choose to have one particular kind of sex, which IMO isn't even that great. It literally adds nothing to the game other than the opportunity have a chat that goes something like "So, how do you feel about oral sex? It's awesome! Great, let's just keep doing that". 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's some funny conclusion based on my lack of answer to that nonexisting question and your lack of understanding the lore
I answered that before many times - yes, it matters
As said many times before, homosexual couples can't have a baby, they never have a risk of accidentally getting pregnant, can't have a heir. Heterosexual couples do have such risk, have to plan how to deal with possible consequences. Including how society works in Theda's that adds a new layer of problems and responsibilities

A lack of an answer is still an answer.

And I'm sorry, 'lack of understanding the lore'? Care to explain that statement.

 

And of all the games Bioware has made, how many times between a heterosexual couple has it come up? A couple at best, one with Merrill who is under the DA2 system so not set sexuality and the other being Liara who says it regardless of gender due to Asari biology. So if romances are made 'deeper' by such content, are all of Bioware's previous romances shallow?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I really do not think Bioware needs to waste resources and hetero LI dialog word count discussing safe sex procedure methods and maybe feelings on magical abortions. I think most people would enjoy actual story relevant and character development related dialog better. Not everything makes for good story writing just because it's maybe realistic.   

[Chari]

A lack of an answer is still an answer.
And I'm sorry, 'lack of understanding the lore'? Care to explain that statement.

And of all the games Bioware has made, how many times between a heterosexual couple has it come up? A couple at best, one with Merrill who is under the DA2 system so not set sexuality and the other being Liara who says it regardless of gender due to Asari biology. So if romances are made 'deeper' by such content, are all of Bioware's previous romances shallow?

No, such move is low. "A person doesn't answer? Well, let's pretend it means I am right"
Pretending that there are no social issues such as sexism, racism etc in Thedas is not lore savy. The society of Thedas has a lot of rules and taboos similar to ones of mediaeval and early renaissance ages. Nobles have to produce a heir, get married despite not wanting to, qunari society also forces people to make babies, dwarves' fate sometimes is dependant on their gender and gender of their parents, mages can't have families, their children are taken away etc
So, baby making is an issue. Especially since this time we won't play as outcasts, but politically important people. Maybe it won't be mentioned, but it would be more complex since it also reflects the state of culture and society
And once again you put words into my mouth. I never said it makes them shallow. Just not as complex or realistic, less lore-showing, less fun
Also Alistair does. And even Zevran in a dialogue with Shale. Both do it for a good reason

[Ryzaki]

I've never played the game, so I don't really understand. What about it makes it only work with him as a male and the PC as a female? Is it just that he calls you a "lady"? Because that seems like something that could be changed pretty easily without actually altering the tone much. 

 

Corso feels like a sexist *******. If you run around sleeping with everyone as male he's all "nice" you do it as female? He's patronizing and jealous even if you're not in a relationship with him. It's weird and off putting. He would need to be changed to either be just as jealous with male or (hopefully) not so jealous and petty as female. and it's not even like the game doesn't do that thing already. Revel is only upset if you sleep with other people if you're romancing him. Otherwise he's all "heh."

 

 

I really do not think Bioware needs to waste resources and hetero LI dialog word count discussing safe sex procedure methods and maybe feelings on magical abortions. I think most people would enjoy actual story relevant and character development related dialog better. Not everything makes for good story writing just because it's maybe realistic.   

 

This. I highly doubt anyone wants to hear their female LI go "No thanks I'm on my monthlies today" (or even let's do it despite so just get some towels. )

 

As for babies being important to the plot they really aren't and I would actually prefer if the other companions stopped bringing it up when it involves the PC unless he/she brought it up first.

[Deviija]

I'd rather see dialogue from a gay couple and (adopting, magically creating, third party surrogate-entity, whatever) children than I would yet another heterosexual couple having the usual standard fantasy or sci-fi baby drama/woes.  We've seen that storyline plenty of times.  If we *had* to have it in a DA game, I'd rather it be used on less-tread storyline avenues.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No, such move is low. "A person doesn't answer? Well, let's pretend it means I am right"
Pretending that there are no social issues such as sexism, racism etc in Thedas is not lore savy. The society of Thedas has a lot of rules and taboos similar to ones of mediaeval and early renaissance ages. Nobles have to produce a heir, get married despite not wanting to, qunari society also forces people to make babies, dwarves' fate sometimes is dependant on their gender and gender of their parents, mages can't have families, their children are taken away etc
So, baby making is an issue. Especially since this time we won't play as outcasts, but politically important people. Maybe it won't be mentioned, but it would be more complex since it also reflects the state of culture and society
And once again you put words into my mouth. I never said it makes them shallow. Just not as complex or realistic, less lore-showing, less fun
Also Alistair does. And even Zevran in a dialogue with Shale. Both do it for a good reason

I never said that makes me right. All I said is a lack of an answer is an answer, which it is. You think otherwise, take it up with communication classes. 

I'm not pretending such issues don't exist, but of our companions who fits the roles of "needing a child"? The answer is nobody.

I never said you said shallow. I asked if it makes them shallow since you think set sexuality required discussions deepen the character.

 

I want to understand what is so darn good about set sexuality style since it sacrifices choice to the player. Since choices are an RPGs reason of existence, there has to be a good one.