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[SurelyForth]

I've never played the game, so I don't really understand. What about it makes it only work with him as a male and the PC as a female? Is it just that he calls you a "lady"? Because that seems like something that could be changed pretty easily without actually altering the tone much. 

 

Corso has a lot of...weird ideas about women, stemming from an "old fashioned" upbringing. He's very "protective" of the FemSmuggler, and paternalistic "Man Knows Best" towards his female cousin. His approach to dating a man would definitely be different, because of his views.

 

(I don't want to say he thinks women are weaker than men and require a man to look out after them, but he kinda acts that way all the time, via how he treats his cousin and how possessive he is of the Female Smuggler, whereas he's much more supportive of the Male!Smuggler screwing women all over the galaxy)

 

Corso is also #1 in my DO NOT WANT file re: future love interests, but he's pretty popular. 

[Sylvianus]

Fortunately, none of you will decide what is relevant or not for the romance and won't decide which lines and topics to bring or not. People in this thread seem so easily offended, it's scary. 

 

bye; ( need to go )

[Hellion Rex]

I'd rather see dialogue from a gay couple and (adopting, magically creating, third party surrogate-entity, whatever) children than I would yet another heterosexual couple having the usual standard fantasy or sci-fi baby drama/woes.  We've seen that storyline plenty of times.  If we *had* to have it in a DA game, I'd rather it be used on less-tread storyline avenues.  

Now would be a great time to see a gay couple, considering we are in Orlais.

[Hellion Rex]

Fortunately, none of you will decide what is relevant or not for the romance and won't decide which lines and topics to bring or not. People in this thread seem so easily offended, it's scary. 

I agree with your first point. As to your second, it is their right to find anything offensive if they so desire, as it is also yours not to find such things offensive.

[SurelyForth]

 

 Revel is only upset if you sleep with other people if you're romancing him. Otherwise he's all "heh."

 

 

Vector is probably the most wholly accepting of the male love interests (in SWTOR, and probably outside of SWTOR, too)- while part of the Agent's job is to get "close" to targets, his biggest issue with her flirting or sleeping around seems to be more about being respectful of (alien) cultural norms than anything else. 

 

Vector is also a good example of someone who could be made a s/s romance with so little change that it's almost insulting that he's not already- I can't think of any moment of his romance that is gender specific, as he is more concerned with the Agent's overall well-being than anything else. 

[Chari]

I never said that makes me right. All I said is a lack of an answer is an answer, which it is. You think otherwise, take it up with communication classes.
I'm not pretending such issues don't exist, but of our companions who fits the roles of "needing a child"? The answer is nobody.
I never said you said shallow. I asked if it makes them shallow since you think set sexuality required discussions deepen the character.

I want to understand what is so darn good about set sexuality style since it sacrifices choice to the player. Since choices are an RPGs reason of existence, there has to be a good one.

Or you do. Take a pick.
Not this time, but it is still a possibility in future. And realistically it can be an issue to anyone.
No since I don't even remember you asking this question about in the first place

They aren't about godmodding. They are about a choice. And if choosing a is the same as choosing b such choice is worth nothing
Besides, people have different preferences and values. That's what makes them unique. Deal with it

[In Exile]

Corso has a lot of...weird ideas about women, stemming from an "old fashioned" upbringing. He's very "protective" of the FemSmuggler, and paternalistic "Man Knows Best" towards his female cousin. His approach to dating a man would definitely be different, because of his views.

 

(I don't want to say he thinks women are weaker than men and require a man to look out after them, but he kinda acts that way all the time, via how he treats his cousin and how possessive he is of the Female Smuggler, whereas he's much more supportive of the Male!Smuggler screwing women all over the galaxy)

 

Corso is also #1 in my DO NOT WANT file re: future love interests, but he's pretty popular. 

 

"Old fashioned" is just a nice way of saying "definitely sexist". At least if you ask me. 

[Giggles_Manically]

Smugglers go around with Corso?

I thought everyone went around with Bowdarr....at least I did, Bowie was awesome.

 

Also I agree that the Corso romance...was iffy.

 

Then again a lot of romances in SWTOR were iffy to me, especially a Male Consular and Nadia.

 

That is something that can kill a romance is when I go "Wait....that is kinda...off" when I think more about it.

[Chari]

Fortunately, none of you will decide what is relevant or not for the romance and won't decide which lines and topics to bring or not. People in this thread seem so easily offended, it's scary.

bye; ( need to go )

Oh yes. I am glad it is bioware who decides in the end, not their fanbase

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Or you do. Take a pick.
Not this time, but it is still a possibility in future. And realistically it can be an issue to anyone.
No since I don't even remember you asking this question about in the first place

They aren't about godmodding. They are about a choice. And if choosing a is the same as choosing b such choice is worth nothing
Besides, people have different preferences and values. That's what makes them unique. Deal with it

 

They are also a source of people's entertainment. And I find robbing players of options to be messed up, no matter how you slice it. Anything that comes from having the sexualities being set can come from having the character simply programmed to reply different based on the player's gender. 

[In Exile]

They are also a source of people's entertainment. And I find robbing players of options to be messed up, no matter how you slice it. Anything that comes from having the sexualities being set can come from having the character simply programmed to reply different based on the player's gender. 

 

My only objection to sexuality has been that I prefer all bisexual companions over playersexual (in the sense that I thought it was a loss that Anders didn't share his story about Karl with a female PC). 

[Turnip]

Smugglers go around with Corso?
I thought everyone went around with Bowdarr....at least I did, Bowie was awesome.
 
Also I agree that the Corso romance...was iffy.
 
Then again a lot of romances in SWTOR were iffy to me, especially a Male Consular and Nadia.
 
That is something that can kill a romance is when I go "Wait....that is kinda...off" when I think more about it.

I never played SWTOR because what they did to Revan infuriated me, but I looked up some of the romances and the one with Vette sicks me out to no end. It's just... No.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

A lot of people have said this guy, Corso, acted sexist. If he was over protective and jealous with men and women, instead of just women, wouldn't that actually solve the issue of whether or not he was sexist? It seems like a way to have the dynamic while making it less overall offensive.   

[Hanako Ikezawa]

My only objection to sexuality has been that I prefer all bisexual companions over playersexual (in the sense that I thought it was a loss that Anders didn't share his story about Karl with a female PC). 

I prefer all being sexually ambiguous.

 

You want to imagine your LI is straight? Fine.

Want to imagine them gay? Go ahead.

Want to imagine them as bi? Feel free. 

[Deviija]

I never played SWTOR because what they did to Revan infuriated me, but I looked up some of the romances and the one with Vette sicks me out to no end. It's just... No.

 

It definitely is repulsive.  On both counts, but moreso on the latter.  

[In Exile]

Switching gears, assuming if we have an Orelsian ball, I would very much like to have LI-specific content there. At least a dance. 

[In Exile]

I prefer all being sexually ambiguous.

 

You want to imagine your LI is straight? Fine.

Want to imagine them gay? Go ahead.

Want to imagine them as bi? Feel free. 

 

I don't mind it being ambiguous; I do mind content being cut to make it seem like the character is a particular sexuality for a particular protagonist (like, again Anders). At the end of the day, what matters most to me is that people have options. I have a preferred way of doing it, but that's subordinate to everyone getting everything. 

[In Exile]

It definitely is repulsive.  On both counts, but moreso on the latter.  

 

Was it the power dynamics? I never got far enough in SWTOR to see. 

[Chari]

They are also a source of people's entertainment. And I find robbing players of options to be messed up, no matter how you slice it. Anything that comes from having the sexualities being set can come from having the character simply programmed to reply different based on the player's gender.

They are entertaining because they give both choice and borders. Godmodding is no fun unless done as a caricature
Characters should have their own agenda, and not be sex dolls which bow to every character's whim

[Turnip]

It definitely is repulsive.  On both counts, but moreso on the latter.

It really is. Especially considering you can beat her and have her tortured and use a shock collar to "keep her in line". Stockholm Syndrome is not romantic.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Switching gears, assuming if we have an Orelsian ball, I would very much like to have LI-specific content there. At least a dance. 

Yeah. Like I said earlier, I'd love if even the dance was different depending on the character you dance with. So for someone like Vivienne and DHMG, it'd be all formal but for someone like Sera or Iron Bull, it'd be pretty much against the grain of the other dancing. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They are entertaining because they give both choice and borders. Godmodding is no fun unless done as a caricature
Characters should have their own agenda, and not be sex dolls which bow to every character's whim

Being available to everyone =/= being sex dolls. 

 

Merrill had her own agenda, yet was available to everyone without being defined as bisexual. Was she just a sex doll which bowed to every character's whim?

[Ryzaki]

 

Smugglers go around with Corso?
I thought everyone went around with Bowdarr....at least I did, Bowie was awesome.
 
Also I agree that the Corso romance...was iffy.
 
Then again a lot of romances in SWTOR were iffy to me, especially a Male Consular and Nadia.
 
That is something that can kill a romance is when I go "Wait....that is kinda...off" when I think more about it.

 

I dragged around Corso because I was all he can't be that bad.

I was wrong

So wrong.

[Chari]

I prefer all being sexually ambiguous.

You want to imagine your LI is straight? Fine.
Want to imagine them gay? Go ahead.
Want to imagine them as bi? Feel free.

That's the worst. Characters have their own lives, we may influence their future choices, but not their past or their mind and body
It's just striping them of their own agenda

[SurelyForth]

I never played SWTOR because what they did to Revan infuriated me, but I looked up some of the romances and the one with Vette sicks me out to no end. It's just... No.

 

I could talk SWTORmances all day, and I tend to think of them a lot since those are my most recent experiences with BW romances. Some were very solid and completely non-problematic, while others had some issues but didn't make me want to punch anyone in the face. Then there was Corso, and the knowledge of how most Sith Warriors treated Vette and how gross the Jedi Consular's relationship with Nadia actually is, considering he's her master and...no. It's just really horrible and problematic.

 

One of the things I'm looking forward to most with DAI is that the Inquisitor's companions are at her level or near it, and even the most obvious ingenue of the bunch seems to have a lot of life experience under her belt. I don't see there being as much opportunity for abuse of extreme power differentials, or problematic dynamics wherein one partner warps another into being an entirely different person.