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They are entertaining because they give both choice and borders. Godmodding is no fun unless done as a caricature
Characters should have their own agenda, and not be sex dolls which bow to every character's whim
Being attracted to both genders does not make you a sexdoll.
That's the worst. Characters have their own lives, we may influence their future choices, but not their past or their mind and body
It's just striping them of their own agenda
Again, Merrill fell under what I described yet she had her own agenda.
I never played SWTOR because what they did to Revan infuriated me, but I looked up some of the romances and the one with Vette sicks me out to no end. It's just... No.
Vette's kind of the female counterpart to Quinn's it's not that bad. after all you can't romance Vette til you start treating her decently (by taking off the collar and such).
DS Jaesa's is more disturbing if you ask me.
I could talk SWTORmances all day, and I tend to think of them a lot since those are my most recent experiences with BW romances. Some were very solid and completely non-problematic, while others had some issues but didn't make me want to punch anyone in the face. Then there was Corso, and the knowledge of how most Sith Warriors treated Vette and how gross the Jedi Consular's relationship with Nadia actually is, considering he's her master and...no. It's just really horrible and problematic.
One of the things I'm looking forward to most with DAI is that the Inquisitor's companions are at her level or near it, and even the most obvious ingenue of the bunch seems to have a lot of life experience under her belt. I don't see there being as much opportunity for abuse of extreme power differentials, or problematic dynamics wherein one partner warps another into being an entirely different person.
If all that matters is player's desire to hump a character instead of character being independent, they areBeing available to everyone =/= being sex dolls.
Merrill had her own agenda, yet was available to everyone without being defined as bisexual. Was she just a sex doll which bowed to every character's whim?
Vette's kind of the female counterpart to Quinn's it's not that bad. after all you can't romance Vette til you start treating her decently (by taking off the collar and such).
DS Jaesa's is more disturbing if you ask me.
Nothing more romantic that driving someone insane because you murdered everything she ever loved and completely crushed her world and beliefs.
Agreed. This is one of the reasons why I'm so drawn to Cassandra. She's already a national hero who can command armies and answers to very few superiors. I'm glad that our character is building up to getting to her level instead of the other way around.
Well, that's not really true. I mean, she's in your employ. You're still her superior for the majority of the game. It's just that you kind of fall into it.
What Hinata described is not bisexuality. It is a player deciding for a character what sexuality they haveBeing attracted to both genders does not make you a sexdoll.
Vette's kind of the female counterpart to Quinn's it's not that bad. after all you can't romance Vette til you start treating her decently (by taking off the collar and such).
DS Jaesa's is more disturbing if you ask me.
Vector is probably the most wholly accepting of the male love interests (in SWTOR, and probably outside of SWTOR, too)- while part of the Agent's job is to get "close" to targets, his biggest issue with her flirting or sleeping around seems to be more about being respectful of (alien) cultural norms than anything else.
Vector is also a good example of someone who could be made a s/s romance with so little change that it's almost insulting that he's not already- I can't think of any moment of his romance that is gender specific, as he is more concerned with the Agent's overall well-being than anything else.
Yep it makes sense too since the whole hivemind thing he's probably not that bothered by it. (I haven't done his romance though so just basing this off what I know from his male friendship talks).
But again Revel doesn't seem to get upset in the least if you sleep aroudn while not romancing him (granted SI gets a whooping 1 dude to sleep with that's not revel >:| ) Quinn gets upset despite SW's gender (which...huh I guess cause you're screwing around? I dunno) those are the ones that leap to the forefront of my mind.
Still... Ick.
Are there any not-problematic romances in that game? Other than that hot doctor with the mustache?
Ew Doc? Or Thorian? They both are terrible.
My pick for least awful is Quinn. He might be a bootlicking traitor but he's not patronizing to fem PC anyway. wait no. Least awful is Revel. I'm not sure about FemTrooper mance or Fem Consular. So they might be better. I just prefer Quinn because the whole amazon chick weaker dude is my OTP ~ and you don't get much more amazon than badass force wielder chick that can kill armies solo 
Only issue with Revel is the whole "I wanna get married and have babies" was WTF inducing.
Edit 2 OMG how could I forget Torian D:
He's decent from what I've played.
1. Torian
2. Revel
You could probably switch those two. But they mostly avoid the wtf trapfalls.
Nothing more romantic that driving someone insane because you murdered everything she ever loved and completely crushed her world and beliefs.
lawl I love Vette's reaction to her to. Just...wow.
(That said you should've been able to do the same to Ashara's uptight ass. That you can't despite her being weaker than Jaesa boggles me).
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If all that matters is player's desire to hump a character instead of character being independent, they are
A player decided whether she was bi or straight, or gay
That's just messed up
You assume just because people want them available to the player regardless of gender, that all they want to do is sleep with the characters and have the character serve no other purpose. That is what's messed up.
What Hinata described is not bisexuality. It is a player deciding for a character what sexuality they have
Player should never have such power over any character but their pc
And no, it is giving players options for their game. For example, Player A romanced sopmeone as a straight male. Player B romanced someone as a lesbian female. What happens in Player A's universe has no bearing in Player B's universe.
And yet these games can force characters such as Alistair for example to both change his personality, force him to take the throne, force him to marry, and force him to have sex with Morrigan. How is that not having power over them?
Ew Doc? Or Thorian? They both are both terrible.
Well, that's not really true. I mean, she's in your employ. You're still her superior for the majority of the game. It's just that you kind of fall into it.
Well, that's what most discussions here are about. Sex, romances, sexualities etc. Even gameplay interest people lessYou assume just because people want them available to the player regardless of gender, that all they want to do is sleep with the characters and have the character serve no other purpose. That is what's messed up.
And no, it is giving players options for their game. For example, Player A romanced sopmeone as a straight male. Player B romanced someone as a lesbian female. What happens in Player A's universe has no bearing in Player B's universe.
And yet these games can force characters such as Alistair for example to both change his personality, force him to take the throne, force him to marry, and force him to have sex with Morrigan. How is that not having power over them?
Really? Damn. I just liked Doc for his mustache. I've never actually played it. I probably never will. I haven't been impressed with what I've seen and heard.
Torian (I guess I forgot because BH story is dull as nails) and Revel are pretty decent. Everyone else though...(not sure about Trooper and Consular as I said) you're probably gonna hit a "really?" moment. (Just with Corso that moment NEVER SEEMS TO END.)
It really doesn't help that he hits on you when he's a drunken mess and that's how the romance starts.
Still... Ick.
Are there any not-problematic romances in that game? Other than that hot doctor with the mustache?
The hot doctor is a total pig, although I find his piggishness more palatable than I do Corso's. Doc never indicates that women are inferior, it's just that he's a shallow, womanizing commitmentphobe who doesn't understand why any woman wouldn't want him. He's a legitimately good guy in other ways, and depending on how you play the romance, it's a lot of fun. But it's also dependent on how many terrible, terrible pick-up lines you can handle.
Most of the main male love interests are decent. Female Agent/Vector is actually a really healthy relationship, but it requires you getting past Vector's hive mind and idiosyncratic personality. He's extremely kind, respectful and supportive of both versions of the Agent, and the romance is just a continuation of that.
The Female Consular has a really pleasant LI, too. He's just a nice soldier guy who thinks she's amazing, and he's respectful of her boundaries. He's also an example of how a male PC can be protective of his female partner's safety without making it about his manly prerogative.
Inquisitors are fine on both counts, I think, as are Bounty Hunters. Sith Warriors can come across as coercive towards their male LI, and it can get dicey, but it's nowhere near the horror of how a male SW can treat Jaesa or Vette.
Torian (I guess I forgot because BH story is dull as nails) and Revel are pretty decent. Everyone else though...(not sure about Trooper and Consular as I said) you're probably gonna hit a "really?" moment. (Just with Corso that moment NEVER SEEMS TO END.)
It really doesn't help that he hits on you when he's a drunken mess and that's how the romance starts.
Well, that's what most discussions here are about. Sex, romances, sexualities etc. Even gameplay interest people less
I accept people for whom they are, but I am honest about it. I do not approve of people having personality changing control of other people's lives. We are humans, not gods
If there is no difference between these choices in these nonexistent universes, they are worth nothing
We take actions during the story. We influence his characters which is lore-accurate. Unlike reality warping powers Hawke has
I've never seen anyone here say "I want *insert LI here* to only be about pleasing my Inquisitor sexually".
If you want to get technical, the entire DA universe is worth nothing. It is data. Nothing but a bunch of imaginary 0s and 1s.
If you don't metagame, how do you know their sexuality changes? They never specify.
The hot doctor is a total pig, although I find his piggishness more palatable than I do Corso's. Doc never indicates that women are inferior, it's just that he's a shallow, womanizing commitmentphobe who doesn't understand why any woman wouldn't want him. He's a legitimately good guy in other ways, and depending on how you play the romance, it's a lot of fun. But it's also dependent on how many terrible, terrible pick-up lines you can handle.
Most of the main male love interests are decent. Female Agent/Vector is actually a really healthy relationship, but it requires you getting past Vector's hive mind and idiosyncratic personality. He's extremely kind, respectful and supportive of both versions of the Agent, and the romance is just a continuation of that.
The Female Consular has a really pleasant LI, too. He's just a nice soldier guy who thinks she's amazing, and he's respectful of her boundaries. He's also an example of how a male PC can be protective of his female partner's safety without making it about his manly prerogative.
Inquisitors are fine on both counts, I think, as are Bounty Hunters. Sith Warrior's can come across as coercive towards their male LI, and it can get dicey, but it's nowhere near the horror of how a male SW can treat Jaesa or Vette.
To be fair to SW she does flat out tell Quinn if he wants her to backoff say so and that's the end of it he promptly tells her that's not the issue.
To be fair to SW she does flat out tell Quinn if he wants her to backoff say so and that's the end of it he promptly tells her that's not the issue.
Oh, I know. It's just the build up to that point is a little uncomfortable, depending on your perspective of such things.
Although I suppose it all balances out in the end. 
Wow. These people are making me appreciate Carth and Atton more and more... Which makes me hate SWTOR even more because of how they ended up.
SWTOR just can't win.
As Surly expanded it's not that bad. Vector (once you get past the bug boy thing...which was not for me.) is sweet and apparently Consular romance is good. Plus the male romances are pretty huh too. But pfft I rather just make another character and say they're married in my legacy. Less crazy.
Oh, I know. It's just the build up to that point is a little uncomfortable, depending on your perspective of such things.
Although I suppose it all balances out in the end.
LMFAO
That it does. Then of course you can pick the DS choice and be all "whatever." "We're still together right?" "Yeah make it up to me later."
SW romances are just as crazy as he/she is.
The hot doctor is a total pig, although I find his piggishness more palatable than I do Corso's. Doc never indicates that women are inferior, it's just that he's a shallow, womanizing commitmentphobe who doesn't understand why any woman wouldn't want him. He's a legitimately good guy in other ways, and depending on how you play the romance, it's a lot of fun. But it's also dependent on how many terrible, terrible pick-up lines you can handle.
Most of the main male love interests are decent. Female Agent/Vector is actually a really healthy relationship, but it requires you getting past Vector's hive mind and idiosyncratic personality. He's extremely kind, respectful and supportive of both versions of the Agent, and the romance is just a continuation of that.
The Female Consular has a really pleasant LI, too. He's just a nice soldier guy who thinks she's amazing, and he's respectful of her boundaries. He's also an example of how a male PC can be protective of his female partner's safety without making it about his manly prerogative.
Inquisitors are fine on both counts, I think, as are Bounty Hunters. Sith Warriors can come across as coercive towards their male LI, and it can get dicey, but it's nowhere near the horror of how a male SW can treat Jaesa or Vette.
Yeah, but she's already this big hero who's accomplished more than our Inquisitor ever did. I like that she's the Orlais equivalent of the Warden/Hawke. She's not just some nobody-with-skills you pick up along the way.
They said that they wanted the companions this time to mostly be important people, so I imagine we'll see more of that once we know more backstories. It seemed like they wanted to make a point of having this kind of dynamic. They called the team the "best of the best".
I never played SWTOR because what they did to Revan infuriated me, but I looked up some of the romances and the one with Vette sicks me out to no end. It's just... No.
What they did to Revan? What exactly did they do with him that was so infuriating?
The Vette romance sickens you? Why? I romanced her with my Sith Juggernaut and it was perfectly fine. You can shock her with the collar, sure - but only if you're playing a d-bag character. Which is an option in like... most, if not all Bioware games.
You aren't a hanar, sure you don'tI've never seen anyone here say "I want *insert LI here* to only be about pleasing my Inquisitor sexually".
If you want to get technical, the entire DA universe is worth nothing. It is data. Nothing but a bunch of imaginary 0s and 1s.
If you don't metagame, how do you know their sexuality changes? They never specify.
What they did to Revan? What exactly did they do with him that was so infuriating?
The Vette romance sickens you? Why? I romanced her with my Sith Juggernaut and it was perfectly fine. You can shock her with the collar, sure - but only if you're playing a d-bag character. Which is an option in like... most, if not all Bioware games.
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