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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Just to be clear, when I read this I see that you also would prefer that we do not have symmetry for class specializations, talent trees, class/race quests, class/race reactivity, or even class specific conflict resolution?

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[Sir Froggie]

Yeppers.
 
And seeing as how Hawke's a noble or a gang member for most of the game I'm sure he/she doesn't find it prudent to start a family with the Qunari threat looming or Meredith breathing down their neck. And the Warden's practically sterile.
 
So yeah...makes perfect sense baby talk isn't on the table. (Kind of boggles me how the LIs bring it up that aren't Morrigan. With her you could justify it with her using magic to maximize the little fertility the warden does have but with the rest of the LIs (Zev in particular) it should be "Wardens are pretty much incapable of having babies."

Tell that to Mardy;-)

[Ryzaki]

Tell that to Mardy;-)

 

Who on earth is mardy.

[Sjofn]

Vector is also a good example of someone who could be made a s/s romance with so little change that it's almost insulting that he's not already- I can't think of any moment of his romance that is gender specific, as he is more concerned with the Agent's overall well-being than anything else. 

 

In my head, my male IA and Vector are totally a couple, even without any official romance dialogue. They have mad chemistry, I tell you! So yes, it is extra stupid that isn't a s/s romance.

 

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Plus they went to a bug orgy party together, that's basically getting married, rite?

 

Akaavi's romance is pretty dang neutral too, and by the time I got towards the end of the Corso romance (which, by the way, gets HILARIOUSLY stalker-ish if you start hitting the DO NOT WANT options every time he talks to you) I was totally ready to run away with her. And I honestly think she would've been okay with that.

 

 

A lot of people have said this guy, Corso, acted sexist. If he was over protective and jealous with men and women, instead of just women, wouldn't that actually solve the issue of whether or not he was sexist? It seems like a way to have the dynamic while making it less overall offensive.   

 

It wouldn't really solve it, because it just ... the way it's written is super bound up in gender roles, almost to the point of parody, and it would just come across as forced and ridiculous with a dude smuggler. The only part I think would translate okay more-or-less the same is his bizarre insistence on putting you up on an unrealistic pedestal, refusing to believe you when you keep trying to point out what the real you is, although I can't see the pedestal he builds for a dude smuggler being the same as a lady's (as the lady pedestal is a ~lady~ pedestal, with all the dumb cultural baggage that entails).

 

 

Also, lemme defend Doc. You know why I like Doc so much? For starters, I can spend the vast majority of the romance straight up calling him out on all his stupid crap. He comes up with dumb plans, I make fun of them. He boasts about how popular he is with the ladies, I express my doubts. He flirts with me hard, I can roll my eyes and tell him to get bent (or I can jump him right away, and then make him sad when I don't instantly fall in love with him). And he takes all of these things in stride. I also like that for all his self-promotion, he is indeed willing to risk his own life to save people, even if word of him doing it might not get out and make him famous. He also is aware you're not supposed to have a boyfriend, so half his bluster about keeping it casual is because he assumes YOU want it that way (which he will admit when you press him on the point during a particular conversation). It's one of the most flexible romances as far as when you can start it and/or advance it (some romances you get basically one chance to start it, others you only get one chance to have an on screen kiss, etc). Also, I actually like the taming-of-the-womanizer trope (which is why I also love, love, love Zevran and Isabella's romances). Also, he has a magnificent moustache.

 

But the most important thing? I got a chance to tell him to take his pet names for me and stuff 'em. The first time I did it, I hadn't actually slept with him yet, and while he acted crabby and defensive about it, he never actually called me a pet name casually again (he did ONE MORE TIME for the rest of the game, and it was actually sweet instead of punchworthy). That was nice. But the SECOND time I went through the romance, I was already sleeping with him by that point. And he seemed legitimately surprised they bothered me, and he actually apologized for it.

 

And that is why I will love Doc forever, and hate Corso forever. I told Doc to knock that crap off, and he did. I told Corso to knock that crap off, and he just kept insisting that gosh golly I just need to accept I was what HE thought I was, not what *I* thought I was.

 

Go to hell, Corso Riggs.

 

 

(Sorry! Sorry. I know this is a delayed reply, but man I like talking about SWTOR's romances for some reason.)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm sure it wasn't your intention, but to say that there is no good reason to setting sexuality so is to say that there is no value in Inquisition having explicitly gay party members. It's just not true. Likewise, that line about Bioware 'limiting options' for the players is manifestly false when one considers that every player is every bit as able to experience that content as any other.

That was not my intention. I would have no problems whatsoever if a companion was openly gay, though prefer that they were unromancable so as to not limit accessible content. Same with openly straight characters. 

 

Some players can't stand playing a certain gender. Thus limiting content to said gender renders it inaccessible to them. 

[Sir Froggie]

A male dwarven noble can have a son with a noble hunter named Mardy during their origin story.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Who on earth is mardy.

 

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Mardy

[Ryzaki]

XD

 

Sjofn I love that post and that is a wonderful defense of doc.

 

Though those bad flirts I can't take them. I can't.

[Ryzaki]

A male dwarven noble can have a son with a noble hunter named Mardy during their origin story.

 

That's *before* he becomes a warden.

[Sjofn]

XD

 

Sjofn I love that post and that is a wonderful defense of doc.

 

Though those bad flirts I can't take them. I can't.

 

Haha, they're too funny for me NOT to do. Apparently I like flirting like a third grader. If he had pigtails, I'd probably pull them.

[Ryzaki]

Haha, they're too funny for me NOT to do. Apparently I like flirting like a third grader. If he had pigtails, I'd probably pull them.

 

XD

 

Also lmao at go to hell Corso Riggs. He's as bad as Amoen to me. Except I can at least corrupt the heck out of Amoen I can't even do that much to Corso.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sure, I know that wasn't what you meant (I just wanted to make the point). As for those of us who absolutely refuse to roleplay male, female, gay or straight protagonists, I would say that it's the player, not Bioware, who have rendered that content 'inaccessible'.

That is true, though in my defense I just said that system limits options for players, which still holds true with the players being the responsible party for said limitations.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'd concede that setting sexuality may limit options for a particular protagonist, but the player? Not so much. Anyway, I labour the point.

No, I'll give you that. You're right, it limits the choices available to the Inquisitor, not the player.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Sure, I know that wasn't what you meant (I just wanted to make the point). As for those of us who absolutely refuse to roleplay male, female, gay or straight protagonists, I would say that it's the player, not Bioware, who have rendered that content 'inaccessible'.

The ability to access heterosexual relationships doesn't concern me. I'm concerned about the existence of same sex content. When m/f gender gating occurs, the content I'm interested in isn't available in any way. It's not programmed to exist at all.    

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The ability to access heterosexual relationships doesn't concern me. I'm concerned about the existence of same sex content. When m/f gender gating occurs, the content I'm interested in isn't available in any way. It's not programmed to exist at all.    

Forgot about this. This makes my last couple posts seem stupid. 

[Mockingword]

I'd concede that setting sexuality may limit options for a particular protagonist, but the player? Not so much. Anyway, I labour the point.

The player's options for having a homosexual relationship are certainly limited.

 

If I have to play as a woman in order to experience a particular male character's romance option, then that is not homosexual content.

 

This is not a difficult concept to comprehend.

[Allan Schumacher]

That's the worst. Characters have their own lives, we may influence their future choices, but not their past or their mind and body
It's just striping them of their own agenda

 

They don't bow to every character's whim.  It's typically only one character that they are interested in.  Sometimes another.

[Mockingword]

But setting sexuality allows for same sex content!

Same sex content wasn't "disallowed" before.

 

DA2 didn't have "set sexualities", but lo and behold, I could still watch my dude kiss other dudes.

 

I am also interested to see what value is added by set sexualites, because I'm extremely skeptical that any will be added at all.

 

I'm 100% sure that there's nothing they can show me with a "gay" character that could not be accomplished through any other kind of character.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Forgot about this. This makes my last couple posts seem stupid. 

Don't worry about it. It took me a while to figure out how to explain the problem with this reasoning, too. 

 

Basically it's like this; 

 

You have 2 LIs, they're open to everyone. The player has four options, two straight relationships or two gay relationships.

You have 2 LIs, one gated as straight and one gated as gay. The player has two options, one straight relationship and one gay relationship.

 

Gender gating basically cuts player choice in half every time. 

[Ryzaki]

Sure, I know that wasn't what you meant (I just wanted to make the point). As for those of us who absolutely refuse to roleplay male, female, gay or straight protagonists, I would say that it's the player, not Bioware, who have rendered that content 'inaccessible'.

 

Really? I made BW add voice acting to their protagonists? VA that grates on my ears and puts me in a perma bad mood while playing the game?

 

amazing. How do I undo that?