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[Hellion Rex]

BY YMIRR

 

 

[The Elder King]

@Mort de Minuit: While I understand why you prefer 6 bisexual LI, Allan stated already that they'd have no need to expand the number of romances if they followed the DA2 approach. Everyone would already get more than one choice. One of the reason to increase the LI number with set sexualities is to still allow people to have more than one choice.

[oceanicsurvivor]

In part, but she is only good because she was a immoral spy who delighted in messing with other peoples lives for The Game and the betrayal of her lover is what makes her good. She is actually a whole lot more morally grey than she seems at first, and if you harden her, she will admit that her whole vision thing was just to make her feel special.

I mean also, we dont want to be thought of as evil preying on women, as the evil lesbian trope normally shows. But we do gravitate toward dark and mysterious characters. The first time homosexuality was compared to vampires was Camille and ever since the lesbian vampire has been a staple of media.

I think in generalities, we like tenderness and also bite. Miranda, and Morrigan almost come right out of some lesbian novels I have read. Of course this is all from conversations with people from a small corner of the internet and generalities are normally a bad thing to make about a whole groups romantic prefrence

 

Nah, I'm glad you've kinda laid all that out. Your division of the female LI's was fairly spot on(to me)...and given that none of those characters (Liara, Leliana, Merrill, Tali etc) have ever interested me in the slightest, it makes me more nervous about the return to sex sexualities even more, since those are the romances that have a higher chance of being f/f LI's it seems. *sigh*

[WildOrchid]

I think people will consider Cassandra to be one regardless.

 

She is a returning character that had an important role in DA2.  It also seems like she will be vital in getting the Inquisition up and running in DA:I, and might even be the first party member we meet.  

 

Cassandra has thus far been featured heavily in marketing and I'm willing to bet if BW releases a trailer featuring a romance scene, it will be with Cassandra and a Male Inquisitor.  

 

These things give the perception that she's more important than others.

 

I agree with everything you said. And the sad part is the bold one, imo.

[Grieving Natashina]

BY YMIRR

 

 

Oh that's lovely.  

[In Exile]

I know it was in relation to the awful mess in TW1.  I did notice, sadly, that the term "you just want sex dolls" came up on the forums a lot by posters in the wake of that comment towards those that preferred DA2's system. 

 

For one: Not many have asked for 9+ romances.  If anything, 4-6 is the number that seems to be preferred.  So I'm not sure why that was even a point.  I have read several people that feel the same way I do: We aren't asking to romance all the companions, we're asking that those that are designated to be LIs be available to all genders.  Somehow, I think that a human dating an elf would be a tad more controversial than two people of the same gender being together, but that's neither here or there at this point..  

 

Secondly, I was referring to pansexual relationships in video game, not his feelings towards pansexuals IRL.  If anything, he's been working his hands to the bone and really striving to learn more, to be better.  I will not state otherwise.

 

That's why I'm hoping during Convention Season this summer he might be able to clarify what he meant by that statement in direct relation to Dragon Age.  Otherwise, I'm left with the impression that he feels that players asking for the return of the DA2 system just want "sex dolls."  

 

 

You're entirely right that his unfortunate turn of phrase fed the trolls, so to speak, and allowed people whose agenda involves a knee-jerk and unjustified reaction to S/S romances to have another arrow in their quiver that they could rely on. 

 

1) I will say that I'll totally ask for 9+ romances. I appreciate that the game has limited resources and that romances are optional, and I'm not interested in a game about dating, but I do think more variability in LIs allows for greater RP options - it changes the tenor of the game and, IMO, differentiates characters from one another. Also, since I'm for all-bi LIs, I think more LIs helps to achieve this ostensible idea that romances should be different - but they should differ from character to character, not by PC gender. 

 

2) If I gave the impression that I interpreted your comments to go to IRL pansexuality, I apologize. It was my intent to talk about the video-game treatment and Bioware's attitude toward its inclusion. 

 

In the end, I do agree with you that DG should clarify his comments. I think there's a charitable interpretation there, but it's just that: an interpretation. 

[The Elder King]

Nah, I'm glad you've kinda laid all that out. Your division of the female LI's was fairly spot on(to me)...and given that none of those characters (Liara, Leliana, Merrill, Tali etc) have ever interested me in the slightest, it makes me more nervous about the return to sex sexualities even more, since those are the romances that have a higher chance of being f/f LI's it seems. *sigh*

The only character who might be like those is Scribbles (because we know nothing about her). The others doesn't seem to match those types.

[jlb524]

@Mort de Minuit: While I understand why you prefer 6 bisexual LI, Allan stated already that they'd have no need to expand the number of romances if they followed the DA2 approach. Everyone would already get more than one choice. One of the reason to increase the LI number with set sexualities is to still allow people to have more than one choice.

 

I still like 4 bisexual LIs.

 

Cassandra:   bisexual

Sera:  bisexual

Solas:  bisexual

mustache guy:  bisexual

 

bam

[Sequin]

Let's face it: It's Bioware's own fault for making Cass so gosh darn irresistible.

[Grieving Natashina]

You're entirely right that his unfortunate turn of phrase fed the trolls, so to speak, and allowed people whose agenda involves a knee-jerk and unjustified reaction to S/S romances to have another arrow in their quiver that they could rely on. 

 

1) I will say that I'll totally ask for 9+ romances. I appreciate that the game has limited resources and that romances are optional, and I'm not interested in a game about dating, but I do think more variability in LIs allows for greater RP options - it changes the tenor of the game and, IMO, differentiates characters from one another. Also, since I'm for all-bi LIs, I think more LIs helps to achieve this ostensible idea that romances should be different - but they should differ from character to character, not by PC gender. 

 

I think 9+ romances is overkill, but as you said, it's a matter of taste.  The bolded is so true and I feel the same way.  Especially in a world like Thedas.  

 

 

2) If I gave the impression that I interpreted your comments to go to IRL pansexuality, I apologize. It was my intent to talk about the video-game treatment and Bioware's attitude toward its inclusion. 

 

In the end, I do agree with you that DG should clarify his comments. I think there's a charitable interpretation there, but it's just that: an interpretation. 

 

 

I was more referring to the idea that I might have come across as saying DG himself was against pansexuality, and I know that isn't true at all. I just wanted to get that in the open so there is no doubt.  Hopefully, you can also tell by my previous comments that I am looking forward to the game, regardless on how they approach the romance content.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Ok. What about the LI's relationship history? Is that also gender specific? Because if the LI don't have a set sexuality then the LI can't tell about his/her past relationships, desires, experiences etc. Because if the LI tells something about his/her previous relationships then you know that the LI can be bi or straight or gay depending on the situation.

With all the complaints I've seen of 'Dead Spouse Syndrome' or things like that, I think the LI leaving out their past relationships would be better than them bringing it up.

[The Elder King]

I'd like the options to have tattoos in other parts of our body other than the face, that's for sure.
The DA fanbase is very talented.

[Hellion Rex]

Oh that's lovely.  

Just lovely?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

@Mort de Minuit: While I understand why you prefer 6 bisexual LI, Allan stated already that they'd have no need to expand the number of romances if they followed the DA2 approach. Everyone would already get more than one choice. One of the reason to increase the LI number with set sexualities is to still allow people to have more than one choice.

He said they might have, but there's really no reason they couldn't have. 

[In Exile]

@Natashina: your should note that when Gaider made the sex dolls comment he was referring to the concept of making ALL followers romanceable, and not just four bisexual/pansexual/ambiguous, since he was talking about the former just a phrase before his sex dolls comment.

 

What's wrong with wanting all characters to be romanceable? I think that a romantic arc is a good way to cover a lot of ground that a friendship arc does not, and certainly allows us to explore a great deal of pretty human themes. It also allows for the game to introduce gated content based on your ingame decisions, rather than something like gender - because the moral diversity of the companions allows for there to be options, but options that accord with who the PC chooses to be, rather than gender. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Just lovely?

I thought lovely was a good word.  The use of color, the implied romantic nature.  It was very sweet.

[The Elder King]

I still like 4 bisexual LIs.
 
Cassandra:   bisexual
Sera:  bisexual
Solas:  bisexual
mustache guy:  bisexual
 
bam

I honestly don't care which system they use as long as people gets the same number of choices. I'm sad for those who wanted the DA2 approach though.

[In Exile]

With all the complaints I've seen of 'Dead Spouse Syndrome' or things like that, I think the LI leaving out their past relationships would be better than them bringing it up.

 

I've always found it a bit weird IRL when people want to talk at length about past relationships. Not that I think the past should stay buried - it is something that's a formative part of who we are and we should share - but to a pretty significant degree I don't care about a person's history. It's like... when you hang out with friends, do people talk about their old friends they're not really friends with anymore? That's what it feels like to me. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And speaking of Leliana:  though she may be a "side characer" in DAO, she is shaping up to be a more important character to the Dragon Age series in general.  Heck, she's got an entire DLC devoted to her.  No one else but Tallis even comes close t that! 

Cassandra has a movie. 

[Hellion Rex]

I thought lovely was a good word.  The use of color, the implied romantic nature.  It was very sweet.

More like drop dead gorgeous, but I suppose "lovely" works too lol

[ladyoflate]

Right, I get that. The bold is one of the reasons I've pretty much never had a one night stand (I've been with people I knew for a very short time - a few day - but the experiences were underwhelming). Also, now I'm forever going to have imagines of post hate-sex in media works being two characters who just sit around dissapointed with what just happened. 

 

Good life choices there, trust. The outcome is just not worth the effort.

 

Next time you see a previously merely irritating character suddenly appear as a hated enemy of the hero, just think: they totes had sex and were so disappointed they just hated each other that much more.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I still like 4 bisexual LIs.

 

Cassandra:   bisexual

Sera:  bisexual

Solas:  bisexual

mustache guy:  bisexual

 

bam

I would have actually much preferred this, since it would mean everyone would get two companion choices again. 

[The Elder King]

He said they might have, but there's really no reason they couldn't have.

  
Romance content is expensive, as every content. I think they might think there's no need to increase the content if people already have choices.

What's wrong with wanting all characters to be romanceable? I think that a romantic arc is a good way to cover a lot of ground that a friendship arc does not, and certainly allows us to explore a great deal of pretty human themes. It also allows for the game to introduce gated content based on your ingame decisions, rather than something like gender - because the moral diversity of the companions allows for there to be options, but options that accord with who the PC chooses to be, rather than gender.

I didn't express my opinion. I was just stating what Gaider was referring to sex dolls.

[The Elder King]

I would have actually much preferred this, since it would mean everyone would get two companion choices again.

Everyone is surely getting two romance choices. I don't think Bioware would return to DAO ripartition of LI. The fact that they stated that there are bisexual, hetero and gaY LI proves that.
Edit: i misread. Sorry about it.

[ladyoflate]

I've always found it a bit weird IRL when people want to talk at length about past relationships. Not that I think the past should stay buried - it is something that's a formative part of who we are and we should share - but to a pretty significant degree I don't care about a person's history. It's like... when you hang out with friends, do people talk about their old friends they're not really friends with anymore? That's what it feels like to me. 

 

I would, however, love more 'weird ex' stories that aren't full of vile hatred. Funny ones, you know?

 

Just more lighthearted conversations in general tbh would be nice. I liked that about the 'falling in love' stage in DAO especially, there was a good bit of silliness for everyone (except Morrigan, I have no idea about Morrigan since I don't play dudes). I'd like to see that happen once you've had a few dramatic-lovers conversations with your LI that solidify the relationship and such.