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#6476
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  Romance content is expensive, as every content. I think they might think there's no need to increase the content if people already have choices. 

Honestly, I would have much rather had 4 bi companions than 6 LIs with NPCs. At least with the repeat of 4 bi companions, everyone would get two companion choices.  

 

Not that there's a difference for me with 6 gated companion LIs, either. It's still two choices for my gender/sexuality. 


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The only character who might be like those is Scribbles (because we know nothing about her). The others doesn't seem to match those types.


Sera perhaps as well. We will see. Honestly the only thing we know about sera was something leaked over a year ago and from which they said they had made a whole bunch of changes. I hope both characters will be great and dynamic and even if the women I mentioned earlier did not appeal to me romantically. I did like their characters, especially Tali who by the 3rd game seemed to be a much more active character.

I just worry that they will get switched around. Active for men, passive for women. Although it says something that hardly any men seem really excited with Vivienne. It seems most people agree she is either a lesbian or non romanceable. She could be straight, who knows, but I am curious where the absolute difference seems to be that a character can attract so many of one gender and disinterest so many of the other.

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After Allans statement that we wouldn't get more than 4 LI's if everyone was bisexual, I now think, that we definitely won't get more than six LI's this time. If there were 8 LI's it wouldn't be a big deal to consider 5-6 LI's if everyone would have been bisexual.



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What's wrong with wanting all characters to be romanceable? I think that a romantic arc is a good way to cover a lot of ground that a friendship arc does not, and certainly allows us to explore a great deal of pretty human themes. It also allows for the game to introduce gated content based on your ingame decisions, rather than something like gender - because the moral diversity of the companions allows for there to be options, but options that accord with who the PC chooses to be, rather than gender. 

Mainly because I don't want them to stretch themselves that thin.  We need to be aware that word budgets are a very real thing.  Personally, I'd prefer 4, maybe 6 characters that were available to all versus trying to make every companions and major NPC in the game up for romance.  4 LIs, available to all is my preferred method.  I'm not against the idea of "set sexualities," just to let everyone know.  I'm just nervous about how they are going to handle it.  

 

In general: That's something I want to nip in the bud right now.  It isn't because we might not get our preferred LI and I would appreciate the devs stop claiming that is the only reason for this.   For some, that is the only reason.  However, after reading the forums for months, that isn't the majority of the concern.  For many of us (not everyone, blanket statements are bad,) it's because of things like making the only gay male LI an NPC ala ME.  Or how you can skip and/or kill off the only two bi romances in Origins.  Personally, that was where my apprehension is coming from, not "Oh, I might not get Cassandra as a LI."   <_<

 

 

More like drop dead gorgeous, but I suppose "lovely" works too lol

Sorry, there is only one companion for me (Varric) and since he's most likely not going to be a LI, I just stare longing at his fan art.  At least I get my favorite friendzone dwarf back. :P



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Tbh i'm quite tired of Liara/Leliana/Kelly/Sam types; the cute/nerdy/laid back ones that gay women always end up romancing... and while i do find them adorable and interesting, i tend to prefer more aggresive, ice queen/snarky type of women... you can imagine my surprise when I romanced Isabela. Her romance was something completely different, something that made me quite like Izzy's romance more than the others i had so far.

 

Sera kind of does sound like Isabela from the describtion and scribbles gives me a Traynor vibe. Who knows, i may be wrong and she'll surprise me. But i still prefer aggresive/dominant women. -_-


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Tbh i'm quite tired of Liara/Leliana/Kelly/Sam types; the cute/nerdy/laid back ones that gay women always end up romancing... and while i do find them adorable and interesting, i tend to prefer more aggresive, ice queen/snarky type of women... you can imagine my surprise when I romanced Isabela. Her romance was something completely different, something that made me quite like Izzy's romance more than the others i had so far.

 

Sera kind of does sound like Isabela from the describtion and scribbles gives me a Traynor vibe. Who knows, i may be wrong and she'll surprise me. But i still prefer aggresive/dominant women. -_-

Aiming for the Queen Cass, right?



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In general: That's something I want to nip in the bud right now.  It isn't because we might not get our preferred LI and I would appreciate the devs stop claiming that is the only reason for this.   For some, that is the only reason.  However, after reading the forums for months, that isn't the majority of the concern.  For many of us (not everyone, blanket statements are bad,) it's because of things like making the only gay male LI an NPC ala ME.  Or how you can skip and/or kill off the only two bi romances in Origins.

I agree with this. Though at least the gay male LI is almos confirmed to be in the party :lol:.
On the second part, I'd be more worried. Cassandra and Vivienne doesn't seem skippable (though the latter might be dismissed/killed), but I'm not sure about Sera.

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Cassandra has a movie. 

 

 

I should have added this to my list of why people think she's more important.

 

Cassandra has a freaking movie.  She's quite the BAMF...she stars in her own movie where she does super cool things.  Let's see...she's the Divine's Right Hand.  She leads her own group of Seekers and takes no nonsense from dwarves with a penchant for lying.

 

Not surprised there are a fair amount of bisexual/lesbian women wanting to throw their panties at her.

 

Everyone is surely getting two romance choices. I don't think Bioware would return to DAO ripartition of LI. The fact that they stated that there are bisexual, hetero and gaY LI proves that.

 

Will they be two options with party member characters?


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Aiming for the Queen Cass, right?


Or Vivienne.
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Aiming for the Queen Cass, right?

 

Damn right. ;)



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Or Vivienne.

 

 

Damn right. ;)

 

Sounds like a pretty awesome romance. If I ever do a female romance in DAI, Cass is the one I would like to romance.



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I agree with this. Though at least the gay male LI is almos confirmed to be in the party :lol:.
On the second part, I'd be more worried. Cassandra and Vivienne doesn't seem skippable (though the latter might be dismissed/killed), but I'm not sure about Sera.

Cassandra definitely doesn't seem skippable, but why not Vivienne? Is it because she's tied to Celene? I'm not sure that she seemed that plot intensive, to me. 

 

I thought they said everyone could be dismissed at some point this time, though?  



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Will they be two options with party member characters?

Sorry, I mistook Mort's post. My apologies :(.

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Aiming for the Queen Cass, right?

I've thought about it, but I've dated a few "Sera" types in my life, and while those kinds of personalities are fun, they have been nothing but heartache and trouble for me.  Cass, out of the ladies, is the most appealing to me.

 

I agree with this. Though at least the gay male LI is almos confirmed to be in the party :lol:.
On the second part, I'd be more worried. Cassandra and Vivienne doesn't seem skippable (though the latter might be dismissed/killed), but I'm not sure about Sera.

My same hunch as well.  I wonder if you can overlook whomever is going to be the gay male option as well...

 

 

Cassandra definitely doesn't seem skippable, but why not Vivienne? Is it because she's tied to Celene? I'm not sure that she seemed that plot intensive, to me. 

 

I thought they said everyone could be dismissed at some point this time, though?  

Dismissed, yes, but I don't think you can overlook at least Vivienne, Cassandra and Varric.  I think the idea is that you could miss recruiting Sera all together, just like with Leliana and even the other bisexual lady, Isabela.   Kinda sad that the two women that have been openly bi (or at least openly talked about relationships with the same gender) in the series are both found in taverns that you can overlook all together. :(



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Sounds like a pretty awesome romance. If I ever do a female romance in DAI, Cass is the one I would like to romance.

 

And if i ever decide to play as male (he will be gay ofc) i will romance Dorian, definitely.



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Cassandra definitely doesn't seem skippable, but why not Vivienne? Is it because she's tied to Celene? I'm not sure that she seemed that plot intensive, to me. 
 
I thought they said everyone could be dismissed at some point this time, though?

Dismissable means that they can be removed from the party, not that they aren't forced to be recruited at first. That's what I meant with Vivienne: that we'll be forced to recruit her, but we can dismiss her. Keep in mind that Gaider didn't say that all followers will be dismissable, but most.
As for Vivienne, she seems related to both Celene and the mage plot. This is the reason why I think we'll have to recruit her.

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Tbh i'm quite tired of Liara/Leliana/Kelly/Sam types; the cute/nerdy/laid back ones that gay women always end up romancing... and while i do find them adorable and interesting, i tend to prefer more aggresive, ice queen/snarky type of women... you can imagine my surprise when I romanced Isabela. Her romance was something completely different, something that made me quite like Izzy's romance more than the others i had so far.
 
Sera kind of does sound like Isabela from the describtion and scribbles gives me a Traynor vibe. Who knows, i may be wrong and she'll surprise me. But i still prefer aggresive/dominant women. -_-


Completely agreed on all counts. I am just prepared for the results since they seem to aim those types toward us. I want Vivienne or Cassandra. Sera sounds pretty great, but I am prepared if she is not. And I dont want Scribbles to be the lesbian option only since well we got all the NPCs last time. Scribbles/Sera being my two options is worst case scenario but only because Sera boobplate makes me suspicious XD and I dont know anything about her. Out of the 4, guys seems to be split between her and Cassandra, and Women seem split between Vivienne and Cassandra. But honestly as long as I dont just get Scribbles, I dont think it could go too bad

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Dismissable means that they can be removed from the party, not that they aren't forced to be recruited at first. That's what I meant with Vivienne: that we'll be forced to recruit her, but we can dismiss her. Keep in mind that Gaider didn't say that all followers will be dismissable, but most.
As for Vivienne, she seems related to both Celene and the mage plot. This is the reason why I think we'll have to recruit her.

No, I understood that part. I thought you were saying that Vivienne would be dismissable, but not Cassandra. I must have misread. 



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@Elder King, you keep confusing me because of the same avatar.  :P

I'm like 'wait, i didn't say this' and then i read the name /facepalm.



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Everyone with Cassandra and Dorian avatars keeps confusing me. lol



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My same hunch as well.  I wonder if you can overlook whomever is going to be the gay male option as well...
 
 


Dismissed, yes, but I don't think you can overlook at least Vivienne, Cassandra and Varric.  I think the idea is that you could miss recruiting Sera all together, just like with Leliana and even the other bisexual lady, Isabela.   Kinda sad that the two women that have been openly bi (or at least openly talked about relationships with the same gender) in the series are both found in taverns that you can overlook all together. :(

Possibly, depending who he is.
I agree on the second part. I hope there won't be a third time.

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Completely agreed on all counts. I am just prepared for the results since they seem to aim those types toward us. 

 

Haha, I don't really think they are aiming those types toward us ;)


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[...] I think DG's reaction is partly based on the idea of having 9+ romanceable companions, who are romanceable in the same way. That his comments could be read as a comment on pansexuality - particularly in light of DA:I's decision to have restricted sexualities, is I think unfortunate. But not necessarily his meaning (though it could be; so don't take this as my saying that he couldn't have meant exactly what the paragraph reads like he meant). 

 

 

I think this blog post by David Gaider gives some more context regarding his feelings about LI sexualities and DA2's model: he acknowledges that some people take the position that making all of the romances available to both genders takes away agency from the LI characters, and then goes on to say that this perception is, in his view, "not really true."

 

http://dgaider.tumbl...ns-i-was-really



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After Allans statement that we wouldn't get more than 4 LI's if everyone was bisexual, I now think, that we definitely won't get more than six LI's this time. If there were 8 LI's it wouldn't be a big deal to consider 5-6 LI's if everyone would have been bisexual.

No! :crying:


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@Elder King, you keep confusing me because of the same avatar.  :P
I'm like 'wait, i didn't say this' and then i read the name /facepalm.

Sorry about it. It already happened in another thread with another user already :lol:.
  

No, I understood that part. I thought you were saying that Vivienne would be dismissable, but not Cassandra. I must have misread.

I think it's possible that Cass will be dismissable at one point, but I'm unsure. I think it might happen later in the game.