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[Hellion Rex]

Idea for more than 6 LIs pretty much confirmed as shot down.

People teasing me for liking ME3 ending. 

 

Today's going to be one of those days. 

Need a hug, dear?

 

And for the record, I liked the ending too.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Your probably right. I disagree with him that 2-2-2 system would provide equivalent choice to da2 as I view npc romances as deeply substandard to real companion romances & hence the system is in reality going to set up a canon romance per orientation rather than real choice as before.

Yeah. Well, at least the s/s people get a companion option. Still think 2/4/2 would be better. That gives everyone 3 choices: 2 companions and 1 NPC.

 

 

Need a hug, dear?

 

And for the record, I liked the ending too.

I'll take one, sure.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Your probably right. I disagree with him that 2-2-2 system would provide equivalent choice to da2 as I view npc romances as deeply substandard to real companion romances & hence the system is in reality going to set up a canon romance per orientation rather than real choice as before.

This is how I feel, also. The 2/2/2 system with NPCs offers inferior choices to the DA2 system for at least some demographics, if not everyone. I would have personally been happier with four bi companion LIs.  

[jlb524]

Your probably right. I disagree with him that 2-2-2 system would provide equivalent choice to da2 as I view npc romances as deeply substandard to real companion romances & hence the system is in reality going to set up a canon romance per orientation rather than real choice as before.

 

Well, some demographics might still have 2 companion options.

 

Like, ya know, if they have the npcs be the gay/lesbian option.

 

I guess I'd be more worried about that happening with the lesbian option.

[Giggles_Manically]

I am really worried that when DAI comes out people will have put to much concern into a character over so much time, that it will ruin the game for them.

 

Like all the fanart is AWESOME.

But people who start using it and getting excited may not get it in game.

 

I have invested WAY to much in games to get burned (Spore), I just hope people dont have that happen on release. 

[Ryzaki]

Idea for more than 6 LIs pretty much confirmed as shot down.

People teasing me for liking ME3 ending. 

 

Today's going to be one of those days. 

 

XD

 

On the upside ( I guess?)  I'm here sad with you over the LIs

 

Hopefully everyone gets awesome options and the choice between someone plot relevant and someone who could be written off without a change in the plot.

 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Well, some demographics might still have 2 companion options.

 

Like, ya know, if they have the npcs be the gay/lesbian option.

 

I guess I'd be more worried about that happening with the lesbian option.

Honestly, I would be pretty worried about it happening to the lesbian option, too. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I am really worried that when DAI comes out people will have put to much concern into a character over so much time, that it will ruin the game for them.

 

Like all the fanart is AWESOME.

But people who start using it and getting excited may not get it in game.

 

I have invested WAY to much in games to get burned (Spore), I just hope people dont have that happen on release. 

This is why I wish they would just tell us what the options are. Yes, people will be upset now or later, but the more time people have, the more they will stress and/or get attached. Especially if it's a character that everyone was so sure would be available to their gender. 

[jillabender]

He also said this:

 

Still waiting to hear how 4-6 people attracted to the PC in the entire world of Thedas isn't "believable" enough for them.  Oh and how restricting players choices of romance is somehow better based upon gender?  

 

I hope I didn't come across as trying to dictate how you should interpret David Gaider's statements, because I can definitely understand why you read them the way you did.

 

Where I'm coming from is that I've seen BSN posts from David Gaider in the past where he explicitly disagreed with and challenged people who made the argument that "making all of the LIs bisexual is unrealistic" (unfortunately, I wasn't able to find the specific thread that I wanted to link to by searching for it.)

 

That being said, I obviously can't speak for David Gaider, and you are absolutely free to disagree with my interpretation of what he's said.

[The Elder King]

Well, some demographics might still have 2 companion options.
 
Like, ya know, if they have the npcs be the gay/lesbian option.
 
I guess I'd be more worried about that happening with the lesbian option.

The gay option is practically safe to be in the party. The lesbian option, not much, but I still believe that i the 2/2/2 case it'll be Sera.

[Grieving Natashina]

Yeah, I totally understand why you're upset about that.

 

I mostly guess I just don't understand why Vivienne is assumed to be that important. She's tied to the mage plot and Celene, but I'm not sure that necessarily means she'll be more important than other companions. We're a bit unsure still what the driving plot in Inquisition even is. It's possible that Solas could be the most important of the mages, for example, due to his ties with the elf plot. We already know Cassandra is going to be vital, because they released that information, but I'm not sure we have enough information about other companions and their role to know which ones will be staple characters.

 

That being said, I do totally understand your concern given the past trends. 

I assume that Vivienne won't be skippable due to her featuring so much in gameplay demos and in official art.  She was also the first companion to get featured. 

 

 

I hope I didn't come across as trying to dictate how you should interpret David Gaider's statements, because I can definitely understand why you read them the way you did.

 

Where I'm coming from is that I've seen BSN posts from David Gaider in the past where he explicitly disagreed with and challenged people who made the argument that "making all of the LIs bisexual is unrealistic" (unfortunately, I wasn't able to find the specific thread that I wanted to link to by searching for it.)

 

That being said, I obviously can't speak for David Gaider, and you are absolutely free to disagree with my interpretation of what he's said.

I've seen posts like that, which is another reason why I'm confused with his more recent statements.  Is having 4 companions attracted to the PC regardless of gender unrealistic or not?  I've seen him make both statements.

 

I'm not mad at DG, nor do I think he's a bad guy.  I was left puzzled and a little hurt by his statements.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

XD

 

On the upside ( I guess?)  I'm here sad with you over the LIs

 

Hopefully everyone gets awesome options and the choice between someone plot relevant and someone who could be written off without a change in the plot.

Hopefully, though some are going to be disappointed. And knowing my luck, I'll be one of those who gets the short end of the stick.

 

 

This is why I wish they would just tell us what the options are. Yes, people will be upset now or later, but the more time people have, the more they will stress and/or get attached. Especially if it's a character that everyone was so sure would be available to their gender. 

I agree. If told before the game comes out, people will be upset but that will dissipate by release rather than the stress build for months to only then be disappointed.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The gay option is practically safe to be in the party. The lesbian option, not much, but I still believe that i the 2/2/2 case it'll be Sera.

[Grieving Natashina]

 

Hopefully, though some are going to be disappointed. And knowing my luck, I'll be one of those who gets the short end of the stick.

 

 

I agree. If told before the game comes out, people will be upset but that will dissipate by release rather than the stress build for months to only then be disappointed.

Agreed.  I really wish that they hadn't said anything at all about anything related to the romance system until they were in the position to start clarifying everything.  

[The Elder King]

Do you want Cassandra?

[jlb524]

The gay option is practically safe to be in the party. The lesbian option, not much, but I still believe that i the 2/2/2 case it'll be Sera.

 

Why her?

 

I really have no opinion of her character but am just curious why lots of people think this.

 

I don't think they'd deny a female elf romance to male PCs so I would see her as straight before a lesbian.

[Wulfram]

 

 

Agreed.  I really wish that they hadn't said anything at all about anything related to the romance system until they were in the position to start clarifying everything.  

 

 

Better that people are prepared for disappointment

[The Elder King]

Why her?

I really have no opinion of her character but am just curious why lots of people think this.

I don't think they'd deny a female elf romance to male PCs so I would see her as straight before a lesbian.

Because there are even less change that they'd negate a human female companion as a straight/bisexual LI.
Granted, it could be that either Cass or Sera are bisexual and the other is straight, but I'd prefer if the bisexual one is the NPC, and I personally think it'll be like this.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I agree. If told before the game comes out, people will be upset but that will dissipate by release rather than the stress build for months to only then be disappointed.

Yeah, I think that's basically it. People will be upset, but they'll have more time to get used to the option they do have. If I was told now that my option was Solas and Dorian wouldn't be available, I'd have more time to follow Solas up until launch and get comfortable with the idea of romancing him instead. If I go all the way to release with the vast majority of guesses reinforcing the idea that I'll be able to romance Dorian and he isn't available, that's going to be a lot more disappointing. In some cases I understand that people just wont like their choices at all and will never get comfortable with them, but I think in a lot of instances it could be easier to warm up to them if you have time to accept it and follow their coverage over the person you thought you'd get.

[wright1978]

Well, some demographics might still have 2 companion options.
 
Like, ya know, if they have the npcs be the gay/lesbian option.
 
I guess I'd be more worried about that happening with the lesbian option.

Da team seem pretty set on inclusiveness and fairness so not sure they'd go the me route of gay/lesbian npc's. Hence why I'm so worried any real choice is what's gone on the chopping block for this silly gating notion.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Do you want Cassandra?

I do. But I also want Sera as available to both genders. But at the same time I want Scribbles available to both. Vivienne I could see being lesbian only but that will deny either Sera or Scribbles since they seem to not be doing more than 3 female Lis. 

 

See, short end of the stick, meet Hinata Hyuuga. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Better that people are prepared for disappointment

 

How is just letting folks stew and get their anxieties up better for the fanbase?  It would be better to get all of that out of the way at once, put everything on the table, and be disappointed now then in a few months.  

 

Also, you're forgetting the flip side: it would allow posters to also know what to be excited for as far as romances.  That way they can go (for example) "Oh well, X is straight but hey, my second choice X is gay!  Awesome, I look forward to it."  Posters aren't always negative, you know.

 

Edit: I think I misread you.  It seems like you were agreeing with Hina and I on a second glance.  My apologizes.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Agreed.  I really wish that they hadn't said anything at all about anything related to the romance system until they were in the position to start clarifying everything.  

 

Yeah, I think that's basically it. People will be upset, but they'll have more time to get used to the option they do have. If I was told now that my option was Solas and Dorian wouldn't be available, I'd have more time to follow Solas up until launch and get comfortable with the idea of romancing him instead. If I go all the way to release with the vast majority of guesses reinforcing the idea that I'll be able to romance Dorian and he isn't available, that's going to be a lot more disappointing. In some cases I understand that people just wont like their choices at all and will never get comfortable with them, but I think in a lot of instances it could be easier to warm up to them if you have time to accept it and follow their coverage over the person you thought you'd get.

Exactly. 

[The Elder King]

I do. But I also want Sera as available to both genders. But at the same time I want Scribbles available to both. Vivienne I could see being lesbian only but that will deny either Sera or Scribbles since they seem to not be doing more than 3 female Lis. 
 
See, short end of the stick, meet Hinata Hyuuga.

I'm Sorry for you. I'm fine with whatever it'll be, even if with my scenario the one. I want to romance most, Sera, will be lesbian, so I won't romance her the first time.

[Mes]

 

Now, doing it based upon race?  That actually makes loads more sense.  Sexism and homophobia isn't a big problem in Thedas, but racism is a huge one.  Why is gender gating suddenly more believable than racism?  Isn't it also player "wish fulfillment" to romance the person that fits in their gender flags, regardless of race??  In a world where same sex relationships is considered overall not a huge deal, and where cross-race romances are very taboo,  Cassandra (a human of royal blood) is going to be able to be able to hook up with a player that's a Dalish apostate?  Why, because they are the PC?  That is more unbelievable to me than having 4-6 people that dared be attracted to both genders.

 

A gazillion times this!!! I've said this a million times only to be shot down every time with something along the lines of "HOLD UP BUT RACIAL RESTRICTIONS ARE... TOO... RESTRICTIVE".

 

The only thing that pacifies me regarding the 2/2/2 split is that there will likely be some people out there quite thankful for that one fully gay character who they can relate to or who can represent them in some way (for example).

 

Your probably right. I disagree with him that 2-2-2 system would provide equivalent choice to da2 as I view npc romances as deeply substandard to real companion romances & hence the system is in reality going to set up a canon romance per orientation rather than real choice as before.

 

Agreed 100%.

 

Unless they really put a lot of effort into the NPC romances. Like, really integrate them into the story. I don't see that happening though.