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[Nika]

And I was talking about being turned on. I could technically fall in love with anyone, but I can have sex only with a specific gender. Hence: 

I'm not a lesbian, but the idea of romancing Cassandra and possibly having sex with her doesn't turn me off at all. Same goes for real life, obviously I'm not specifically searching for a female to have a relationship with, but if the one I fall in love with would happen to be female then so be it. And if I loved her I'd have sex with her too to answer your question

Honestly we won't get anywhere with this. You see things your way and I see them my way

[Mes]

Body will respond to physical contact, however there won't be much pleasure involved or climax. Basically imagine for example a gentle and sensual rape ( is that the right word for this? ), where the person that you are not interested in would try their best to satisfy you. There is just a barrier that you can't really pass to enjoy the act. 

 

WHAT, NO! No, no, no. That is rarely the right word to use in conversation.

 

Okay um. What I'm saying is that bodies can respond (and yes climax) to quite a variety of things. They can respond to vibrators, blow up dolls, our own hands, etc (I won't list all the things I can think of, because that can get outta hand, hehe)... If they can respond to those things, they can respond to other human bodies too.

 

Not saying YOU can, though. Just saying... in general.

 

I've completely forgotten how this came up.

 

Edit: I mean we've all heard the stories of closeted gay men marrying women and fathering children only to come out of the closet 30 years into the marriage. 

 

Obviously they had been having successful sexual relations with their wives up until that point.

 

Just to use as an example.

[KainD]

I'm not a lesbian, but the idea of romancing Cassandra and possibly having sex with her doesn't turn me off at all. Same goes for real life, obviously I'm not specifically searching for a female to have a relationship with, but if the one I fall in love with would happen to be female then so be it. And if I loved her I'd have sex with her too to answer your question

Honestly we won't get anywhere with this. You see things your way and I see them my way

 

The idea of having sex with the same gender doesn't turn me off, it just doesn't turn me on. I'd love to be able to have sex with anyone, that would broaden my potential partner choice, but I just can't. 

[Ryzaki]

But at least now you have ingame versions of them to at least get a good estimate. 

 

True.

 

Anyone remember what a PITA it was making a good making custom Shep in ME2? If you screwed up you had to do that whole intro all over again. God that was annoying. I'd think my Shep looked fine then his cheeks looked like daggers were sticking out of them. D:

[KainD]

WHAT, NO! No, no, no. That is rarely the right word to use in conversation.

 

Okay um. What I'm saying is that bodies can respond (and yes climax) to quite a variety of things. They can respond to vibrators, blow up dolls, our own hands, etc (I won't list all the things I can think of, because that can get outta hand, hehe)... If they can respond to those things, they can respond to other human bodies too.

 

Not saying YOU can, though. Just saying... in general.

 

I've completely forgotten how this came up.

 

Lol.

Personal experience is - if the right mental image isn't present, be that right in front of you, or in your head, then climax can't be reached. Body responds to pure physical stimulation only to a certain point, and if that is not supported by the right followup it actually gets less sensitive and stops to react. 

[Ryzaki]

WHAT, NO! No, no, no. That is rarely the right word to use in conversation.

 

Okay um. What I'm saying is that bodies can respond (and yes climax) to quite a variety of things. They can respond to vibrators, blow up dolls, our own hands, etc (I won't list all the things I can think of, because that can get outta hand, hehe)... If they can respond to those things, they can respond to other human bodies too.

 

Not saying YOU can, though. Just saying... in general.

 

I've completely forgotten how this came up.

 

Edit: I mean we've all heard the stories of closeted gay men marrying women and fathering children only to come out of the closet 30 years into the marriage. 

 

Obviously they had been having successful sexual relations with their wives up until that point.

 

Just to use as an example.

 

Much better and non gross example than mine! And it came up because of asexual vs sexual relationship I think.

[Mes]

I'm not a lesbian, but the idea of romancing Cassandra and possibly having sex with her doesn't turn me off at all. Same goes for real life, obviously I'm not specifically searching for a female to have a relationship with, but if the one I fall in love with would happen to be female then so be it. And if I loved her I'd have sex with her too to answer your question

 

 

Completely agreed, eeeee.  There's something about Cassandra, man.

[KainD]

Funny thing is many people in this conversation heavily imply that sexuality is a choice, yet many LGBT people say that it's not. 

[Ryzaki]

Completely agreed, eeeee.  There's something about Cassandra, man.

 

For me it's that voice. I love her voice.

[Mes]

Funny thing is many people in this conversation heavily imply that sexuality is a choice, yet many LGBT people say that it's not. 

 

Hmm I didn't get that from any posts thus far, though I'd be lying if I said I managed to read the entirety of this thread..... 

 

 

For me it's that voice. I love her voice.

 

I think for me it's the way she holds herself... Her in control sort of attitude. Eeeee.

[Nika]

Like I said, everyone has their own way of thinking

And Bioware will do whatever they think is right anyway

-prayer circle that Cassandra is bi-

[KainD]

Hmm I didn't get that from any posts thus far, though I'd be lying if I said I managed to read the entirety of this thread..... 

 

Well if it is physically possible to have sex with either gender and reach climax for anyone. Then it's a choice. 

[Ryzaki]

Hmm I didn't get that from any posts thus far, though I'd be lying if I said I managed to read the entirety of this thread..... 

 

 

 

I think for me it's the way she holds herself... Her in control sort of attitude. Eeeee.

 

"You are the only threat I see."

 

Queue my Inq trying to run away "Catch me if you can sexy voice lady~" Or giving the most awkward full teeth smile ever. That scene should look good with a femQunari.

 

I want the game already

[Deviija]

Funny thing is many people in this conversation heavily imply that sexuality is a choice, yet many LGBT people say that it's not. 

 

Actually, what they are discussing is a term (and concept) called sexual fluidity.  

 

A person in their 20s may consider himself completely heterosexual, but shrugs and admits that if he met the right guy he could have sexual or romantic relations with that person.  Fast forward to his 40s, he found that a guy that he does find attractive and/or emotionally loves.  The man still considers himself straight, he just happened to run into that one person (or maybe several persons) that he can find himself being with for whatever length of time and whatever type of relationship.  He is expressing sexual fluidity.  

 

Sexuality is a broad spectrum.  Some people are hard-shifted to heterosexual or homosexual.  Some people are more fluid and fall into varying degrees between them and outside of them.  

 

Also worth noting: what orientation one self-identifies as is their choice, regardless of romantic and/or sexual relations.  If your gal pal has had flings with women but identifies as straight and not bisexual or pansexual, that's her right.  Self-identifying is up to each of us, not any one else, as it is very personal.

 

Just felt that was worth highlighting for this particular turn in discussion.  

[KainD]

 

A person in their 20s may consider himself completely heterosexual, but shrugs and admits that if he met the right guy he could have sexual or romantic relations with that person.  

 

I just wonder how a person that knows that they can have a relationship with both genders consider themselves straight? 

[quickthorn]

I prefer the Kinsey scale to the simpler gay/straight/bi classification.  Even then, I don't disbelieve that some people will perceive themselves on a different part of the scale during different times of their life.  Nowadays I would define myself as 1 and many years ago, would have said 3.  I don't have a problem with people who do feel their sexuality is absolutely fixed for the whole of their life either.  Not everyone is the same.  

[wright1978]

When people are suggesting that "half their romance options are simply taken off the table" I'm going to feel somewhat compelled to point out that you're still going to have 4 options in the hypothesized 2/2/2 relationship, not 3 (regardless of how the romances are broken down).

 

And i'll feel compelled to point out that per gender & orientation they'll have 1 companion LI(In effect no companion LI choice) in the hypothesized 2/2/2 system, which is half as many as in DA2.

[Dean_the_Young]

And i'll feel compelled to point out that per gender & orientation they'll have 1 companion LI(In effect no companion LI choice) in the hypothesized 2/2/2 system, which is half as many as in DA2.

 

I'm usually good with math, but the rational here is confusing me. What genders are we assuming all these 2/2/2/ are again?

 

2 male bisexuals, 2 female bisexuals, and 2 straights (one male and one female)? Or Are we talking 2 straight males, 2 straight females, and 2 bisexuals (one of each gender). Either way would give you 4 potential love interests, which is one less than DA2 if you consider Mr. Prophet-on-Scrotum and the chaste romance. But if we consider the player's orientation a factor (as in the player only wants to romance a female), then DA2 had only 2 LI's for same-sex relationships- that was because the player closed off the options, not because the game didn't offer it.

 

 

Or are we saying 2/2/2 means 2 male companion LIs, 2 female companion LIs, and 2 non-companion LIs? Are we working from a single hypothetical breakdown of the orientations across those genders? Is the non-companion LI a second straight or bi male/female?

[The Elder King]

Dean, wright is basing his/her post on the possibility of the bisexual LI being the non-Followers. In this case we'll get four LI in the party who are:male straight, female straight, male gay and female lesbian. In this case unless you're bisexual you have one LI you can choose from the party pool, without changing the PC gender.

[daveliam]

I'm usually good with math, but the rational here is confusing me. What genders are we assuming all these 2/2/2/ are again?

 

I think that when most people talk about 2/2/2, they are saying two straight LIs (one male, one female), two bisexual LIs (one male, one female), and two gay LIs (one male, one female).  Technically, Alan is correct that there would be four LIs available for each PC gender:

 

Male - straight female, bisexual female, bisexual male, gay male

Female - straight male, bisexual male, bisexual female, gay female

 

However, unless the player is bisexual, two of those options aren't really options that hold much weight.  It feels a bit false to suggest that most people will, in practice, have four viable options.

 

I just wonder how a person that knows that they can have a relationship with both genders consider themselves straight? 

 

Meh.  It's not really my place to decide how someone self-identifies their sexuality.  If they want to say that they are straight and then sleep with someone of their same gender, that's on them.  Not me. 

[daveliam]

There are certain things a person just can't control, like blinking when eyes are in danger. Getting turned on is one of those things, and it requires a specific gender, at least for me. 

 

That's not really how it works for most people.  Physical stimulation can cause arousal despite the person who is doing the stimulating. 

 

Well if it is physically possible to have sex with either gender and reach climax for anyone. Then it's a choice. 

 

No.  Who you are attracted to is not a choice.  Just because you can be stimulated to arousal by anyone, doesn't mean that you are sexually attracted to that person. 

 

Think of it like this:  You probably have a type.  I'm going to assume you are a straight male for the purpose of this story, but if you aren't, you can still follow the logic.  If you have a particular type of gal that you find attractive, it's not a choice.  If you like tall, athletic blondes or petite brunettes, it's not a choice about who you are attracted to.  It's just who you are attracted to and you accept it.  Now, if you meet a woman, say a heavyset redhead, who you really like, she might not be your type but you can still find her attractive.  This is how fluid sexuality people view both genders.  I, personally, don't identify this way; but there are alot of people who do now.  It doesn't make their sexuality a choice.  And it certainly doesn't speak for gays and lesbians (and other non-hetero sexualities) by suggesting that we are "choosing" our sexuality any more than you, as a straight person, chose yours.

[Dean_the_Young]

I think that when most people talk about 2/2/2, they are saying two straight LIs (one male, one female), two bisexual LIs (one male, one female), and two gay LIs (one male, one female).  Technically, Alan is correct that there would be four LIs available for each PC gender:

 

Male - straight female, bisexual female, bisexual male, gay male

Female - straight male, bisexual male, bisexual female, gay female

 

However, unless the player is bisexual, two of those options aren't really options that hold much weight.  It feels a bit false to suggest that most people will, in practice, have four viable options.

 

I don't see why that would be false. The fact that you aren't interested in the potential candidates doesn't mean that four potential people aren't potentially interested in you. If we went by how many LI's we were attracted to, then the entire ME trilogy had 0 love interests for me.

 

I mean, the exact same issue of player-desired compatibility existed in the base version of DA2. There were four LI's- two female, two male. Even if you weren't interested in half of them, you still had four available. The idea that the 2/2/2 system as Alan describes it is somehow robbing you of LI's would only be because of player preference.

 

 

Confession: I personally also don't see a point in making a distinction between a companion romance and a non-companion romance if they have equivalent content. In ME3, for example, Traynor and Steve are definitely love interests- they don't stop counting just because they don't go on a mission.

[Sequin]

So yeah... on the topic of DA:I romance, I'm hoping Cassandra sings me a song by the campfire like Leliana did in DA:O.

And do we think Leliana will talk about her romance to the GW if she was romanced in that game? If we ask her about it, I mean? It will make me smile if she does.

[Maria Caliban]

But I can definitely say what gender is that person is going to have sex with for the rest of their lives, depending on what their sexuality is.

Well if it is physically possible to have sex with either gender and reach climax for anyone. Then it's a choice.

Body will respond to physical contact, however there won't be much pleasure involved or climax. Basically imagine for example a gentle and sensual rape ( is that the right word for this? ), where the person that you are not interested in would try their best to satisfy you. There is just a barrier that you can't really pass to enjoy the act.

There are certain things a person just can't control, like blinking when eyes are in danger. Getting turned on is one of those things, and it requires a specific gender, at least for me.

It's like they have internet connections on Mars now.

1. No, knowing someone's sexuality doesn't tell you about their future sexual partners. A bisexual person might decide not to have sex. A straight person might have sex with someone of the same gender for money. A gay person might decide to experiment with someone of a different gender. An asexual person might decide that they'll have sex with someone they love in order to make them happy. A pansexual person could have a monogamous marriage.

2. Bisexuality isn’t any more of a choice than homosexuality or heterosexuality. Likewise, people base their sexual identity on more than orgasms. A dude with a vibrator could probably get me off – this doesn’t mean I feel any romantic or sexual attraction to men.

3. People can have orgasms while they’re raped. Yes, rapists can try to get you off; I know more than one woman who had their attacker go down on them. Yes, rape can be sensual and pleasurable. Many times, people are raped by those they're already in relationships with, not an evil stranger leaping from the bushes and dragging them away.

4. And there’s nothing wrong with talking about your own sexuality, as long as you realize that your experiences aren’t universal.

[wright1978]

Dean, wright is basing his/her post on the possibility of the bisexual LI being the non-Followers. In this case we'll get four LI in the party who are:male straight, female straight, male gay and female lesbian. In this case unless you're bisexual you have one LI you can choose from the party pool, without changing the PC gender.

 

Thanks, Indeed that's exactly my point. Telling the player to access any level of companion LI choice they have to quit to start menu and change from the gender they want or else change the orientation that they wish their character to have seems a very backward step. Yeah and i freely admit i consider NPC romances to be deeply sub-standard to companion ones & therefore a severe degredation on the level of choice previously offered.