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Anyway, I think I'm done arguing on the NPC romance front for now. I've made my position clear and I'm not particularly persuasive. I just hope they improve on them from ME3.
I never felt like the one girl in ME2 had enough of a presence/personality. Come 3 I was already committed to Garrus and another time Liara. My romances in ME are pretty predetermined, what with having three games dealing with the same central figure.
It's one of the things I like about DA having an ensemble cast.
I'm pretty happy about the news.
We don't have any fewer LI than in DA2. Regardless of your orientation, everyone will have at least two LI to choose from.
I'm pretty happy about the news.
We don't have any fewer LI than in DA2. Regardless of your orientation, everyone will have at least two LI to choose from.
You are assuming. That's where the concern lies. We don't know that everyone will have options. All we know right now is that there won't be fewer LIs than in DA 2 (so 4+), that there will be a variety of sexualities, and that Cassandra and Cullen are LIs.
For all we know, there could 4 LIs with two straight and two bisexual companions again (like DA: O). There could be the same thing with Cullen being a 5th straight option (like Sebastian).
I don't think it will be like this, but we just don't know yet. I'm hoping for 2/2/2 and I want to feel confident that this is how they do it.
You are assuming. That's where the concern lies. We don't know that everyone will have options. All we know right now is that there won't be fewer LIs than in DA 2 (so 4+), that there will be a variety of sexualities, and that Cassandra and Cullen are LIs.
For all we know, there could 4 LIs with two straight and two bisexual companions again (like DA: O). There could be the same thing with Cullen being a 5th straight option (like Sebastian).
I don't think it will be like this, but we just don't know yet. I'm hoping for 2/2/2 and I want to feel confident that this is how they do it.
Yeah, I don't think they'd go backwards towards the DAO option. That...would not end well. Plus, I'd be sharpening up the pitchforks cause I ain't dealin' with that 1 option only BS again.
You are assuming. That's where the concern lies. We don't know that everyone will have options. All we know right now is that there won't be fewer LIs than in DA 2 (so 4+), that there will be a variety of sexualities, and that Cassandra and Cullen are LIs.
For all we know, there could 4 LIs with two straight and two bisexual companions again (like DA: O). There could be the same thing with Cullen being a 5th straight option (like Sebastian).
I don't think it will be like this, but we just don't know yet. I'm hoping for 2/2/2 and I want to feel confident that this is how they do it.
Cullen is a npc and a LI
So it is very likely the Scribbles also will be LI
So unless out of 9 companions only two will be LIs, I think it is safe to asssume we will have 6 LIs, two per each sexuality
Yeah, I don't think they'd go backwards towards the DAO option. That...would not end well. Plus, I'd be sharpening up the pitchforks cause I ain't dealin' with that 1 option only BS again.
Agreed. Especially if the do the "elf is bi" thing again and I get stuck with just Solas from a party of numerous sexy guys (Cullen, Dorian/DHMG, Iron Bull, The Grey Warden, etc.). I'd be devastated if that happened.
Cullen is a npc and a LI
So it is very likely the Scribbles also will be LI
So unless out of 9 companions only two will be LIs, I think it is safe to asssume we will have 6 LIs, two per each sexuality
Perhaps. I hope you are right. But again, we don't know this yet.
Agreed. Especially if the do the "elf is bi" thing again and I get stuck with just Solas from a party of numerous sexy guys (Cullen, Dorian/DHMG, Iron Bull, The Grey Warden, etc.). I'd be devastated if that happened.
Agreed. Devastated and angry. I have romanced elves for 2 games. I'd like to broaden my race options a little lol
Perhaps. I hope you are right. But again, we don't know this yet.
Gaider said that they would make equal representation if they had resources, otherwise - playersexual approach would be taken
Gaider said that they would make equal representation if they had resources, otherwise - playersexual approach would be taken
He also said in that same blog post that he was not necessarily speaking about the romance features in DA: I. I tend to agree with you. I'm just pointing out that what you take as "fact", isn't. It's speculation and people are right to be skeptical of speculation until more concrete facts come out. Again, I think it probably will be 2/2/2. But it doesn't mean that I won't be concerned until it's confirmed.
Can someone fill me in on where this 2/2/2 speculation is coming from?? I liked the player sexual system from DA2 the most---maybe with a few added tweaks. I just really want a decent straight fem inquisitor li option. I dislike Cullen and the bald elf and iron bull are very unattractive imo. I'd be okay with the grey warden but am hoping that Dorian will be an option for my inquisitor. :/
They announced in a magazine interview that there would be a variety of sexualities in the game. Darrah (I think) later confirmed "straight, bisexual, and gay characters" in response to the question about the romances.
This is the elaboration, from the twitter thread:
Can you elaborate on 1 sexual orientation? Did Lee mean there will be varied orientations like gay/bi/hetero?@Mike_Laidlaw@BioMarkDarrah
But 2/2/2 means only one companion for each sexual orientation... so everyone gets only one companion and one npc? sounds bad to me...
He also said in that same blog post that he was not necessarily speaking about the romance features in DA: I. I tend to agree with you. I'm just pointing out that what you take as "fact", isn't. It's speculation and people are right to be skeptical of speculation until more concrete facts come out. Again, I think it probably will be 2/2/2. But it doesn't mean that I won't be concerned until it's confirmed.
https://twitter.com/...972194970664961
But 2/2/2 means only one companion for each sexual orientation... so everyone gets only one companion and one npc? sounds bad to me...
Uh, not necessarily. We don't know which companions are gay, bi and straight yet. (Or who the romances are at all, beyond Cullen and Cassandra.)
If Cullen and Scribbles are the bisexual options, though, then everyone who has a gender preference will have a companion and an NPC.
Um.....okay? Why are you linking to this? It just confirms that there are straight, bi, and gay characters. It doesn't confirm a 2/2/2 set up NOR that everyone will get multiple options to pick from.
But 2/2/2 means only one companion for each sexual orientation... so everyone gets only one companion and one npc? sounds bad to me...
Technically there will be 2 LIs for straight/gay Inquistiors and, eh, 4 LIs for bisexual Inquistors.
And very likely only two NPC-LIs. Both having, as it seems, an important role as allies and even leaders of their own factions
Not the same as companions, but still pretty important and pretty awesome
Um.....okay? Why are you linking to this? It just confirms that there are straight, bi, and gay characters. It doesn't confirm a 2/2/2 set up NOR that everyone will get multiple options to pick from.
It was an answer to a question about LIs and the interview
So it is about LIs, 95% likely
And since Cullen is a npc, and Dragon age always had an even amount of LIs (except Sebastian who was... a gimmick anyway), I think it is a good enough evidence of DA:I having 6 LIs
Mages aren't automatically fighters
I know. I'm just saying having a true civilian, as in not someone of the three classes, will be cool for a change.
You are assuming. That's where the concern lies. We don't know that everyone will have options. All we know right now is that there won't be fewer LIs than in DA 2 (so 4+), that there will be a variety of sexualities, and that Cassandra and Cullen are LIs.
For all we know, there could 4 LIs with two straight and two bisexual companions again (like DA: O). There could be the same thing with Cullen being a 5th straight option (like Sebastian).
I don't think it will be like this, but we just don't know yet. I'm hoping for 2/2/2 and I want to feel confident that this is how they do it.
True, I'm assuming, but I find it unlikely that they would do anything other than 2/2/2, since no other method (other than all-LI) would be beneficial.
Since Laidlaw/Darrah said on Twitter that 'there will be gay, bi and hetero characters', I think it would be very unlikely that they would go back to the Origins method. Even if the phrasing was odd.
It was an answer to a question about LIs and the interview
So it is about LIs, 95% likely
You can't just throw out percentages as if they mean anything. 95% likely? Show me your calculations. The bottom line is that you just want it to be this way so you are treating it like it's pretty much a done deal, when it's anything but.
And since Cullen is a npc, and Dragon age always had an even amount of LIs (except Sebastian who was... a gimmick anyway), I think it is a good enough evidence of DA:I having 6 LIs
So you are using the DA games as your example, but then dismissing half of the games from the system because they don't fit your argument? Sebastian was a romance in DA 2. So, no, DA games don't "always have an even amount of LIs". In one game there were 4 and in the other, there were 5. Unless you think that they adding a romance option for every game in the series, there is no "good enough evidence" to support that DA: I has 6 LIs at this point.
Technically there will be 2 LIs for straight/gay Inquistiors and, eh, 4 LIs for bisexual Inquistors.
And very likely only two NPC-LIs. Both having, as it seems, an important role as allies and even leaders of their own factions
Not the same as companions, but still pretty important and pretty awesome
I don't have a problem with 2 companion romance options. It was the amount of romances I also had had in Dragon Age 2. But I can't help it, one companion and one NPC feels like a step backwards to me. You can't go to adventures with your NPC, you can't experience the same things. I'd miss that feeling of having my romance option at my side.
http://dgaider.tumbl...mances-in-gamesDavid Gaider
My preference is that the romances cover a range of styles and sexualities as evenly as we can, and that they have comparable levels of content, and leave it at that. If someone doesn’t find something to their liking in that particular game, chances are we’ll have a whole different batch in the next game (I do find it rather amusing how people always assume we’ll write exactly the same characters in the next game as the current one— even though we never have, the assumption is the same after every game).
In the meantime, there are hopefully friendships and rivalries among the followers that you can develop, and reasons to appreciate each of them beyond whether they can be sexed to your liking, as well as that whole other thing we wrote.
You know. The plot.
CONFESSIONS: I was really annoyed when I found out Aveline wasnt romanceable. In my second playthrough I had spent the entire thing flirting with her and was actually surprised and upset when she rebuffed me for Donnic.
Totally okay with this, actually.The issue with the “all-bisexual” romances, as I see it (or the issue for which I can see at least some merit, anyhow), is one of perception—that the followers in Dragon Age are simply vehicles for romances as opposed to characters in their own right with their own motivations.
A player simply selects a follower— “I want you!”— and that follower immediately surrenders all agency to the player’s will.It’s not really true, but I think it’s a perception fueled by an overreaction to the fact that there are fans who do like the romances a great deal (and talk about it extensively, whereas there are fans who vehemently oppose the romances being the most important element in the game… not that they are or ever have been, but clearly if they do not actively oppose the idea we BioWare developers will succumb to the notion that it’s so).
I imagine there are also fans who don’t mind the idea of the romances working that way—just pick whoever you want and they will reciprocate. Why? Because the player wants it, and isn’t this game about fantasy fulfillment?It’s not, though there’s nothing wrong with somebody wanting that—and it’s completely excusable that there are those who think that’s what the game is or should be. We’ve always been more interested in establishing a believable world and believable characters, and the romances—to us—are an extension of that rather than the purpose for it.
Having equal opportunities for romance plots is a point of fairness and not indicative of a shift in the purpose of those plots, and I’d be fine with having more restrictions rather than less—of having some romances simply not working out, or less romances in total (even if they’re equally distributed in number
Ah. So that’s what all the anonymous tweets shouting “biphobic” at me this past weekend have been about.For those who’ve decided the “playersexual” comment is something I came up with, I’ll just say it’s not.
There are a group of DA fans who insist on calling the DA2 romances that, however— hence why I said “whatever you want to call them” and put it in quotes. I don’t agree with the term, but there you have it. In terms of bisexuality and our romances, I’ve discussed them numerous times before. Here, or here, for instance.
My saying that I don’t think players have the right to romance any character no matter who they’re playing is not the same as saying that bisexuality doesn’t exist or that BioWare will suddenly remove bisexual romances from our games.
As I’ve said before, my ideal would be to have an array of sexualities— including bisexuality— if there were enough romance plots to go around. Failing that, having bisexual romances is still the fairest way to go.
So I hear what you’re saying (as in the plural “you”), and I see I also typo’d “playersexual” in my original post— sorry about that— but the anger here is misdirected. Plain and simple
You can't just throw out percentages as if they mean anything. 95% likely? Show me your calculations. The bottom line is that you just want it to be this way so you are treating it like it's pretty much a done deal, when it's anything but.
So you are using the DA games as your example, but then dismissing half of the games from the system because they don't fit your argument? Sebastian was a romance in DA 2. So, no, DA games don't "always have an even amount of LIs". In one game there were 4 and in the other, there were 5. Unless you think that they adding a romance option for every game in the series, there is no "good enough evidence" to support that DA: I has 6 LIs at this point.
You may wish all you want that it isn't true
But I could bet my Pokemon Y that it is true
And all of you guys are just overreacting
And no, Sebastian doesn't count since he is a DLC LI.
In fact, if you count him and Tallis
Both having very little romance content
It is 4 LIs and 2 half-LIs
Still even
Yep
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