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[Chari]

Yep. People thinking Alistair was 30 boggle me. He acts too childish for me to buy him as 30. Same with Morrigan.

 

DAI companions being older is good. Though my Inq's still only gonna be early 20ish so

I guess it's the voice acting. My first DA:O playthroughs were in russian and Alistair sounded very young, while Morrigan sounded almost 40. When I changed the language and heard the original voices, I was reaaally surprised

Al does sound 30, Morrigan does sound 20 and no younger. But neither act this way

[Ryzaki]

I guess it's the voice acting. My first DA:O playthroughs were in russian and Alistair sounded very young, while Morrigan sounded almost 40. When I changed the language and heard the original voices, I was reaaally surprised

Al does sound 30, Morrigan does sound 20 and no younger. But neither act this way

 

Probably. I'm too used to JRPGs with their terrible VA to associate deep voice with an older person. They be having someone that's 18 sounding 40ish. XD

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I've had to erase part of my comments a dozen times as I am not certain if you refer solely to *physically* masculine/hypermasculine or are also referencing demeanor as well.  Part of it dips into the "push to make gay characters not be a stereotype" and a good deal of that push isn't based on physical appearance but on some very exaggerated personality and demeanor stereotypical portrayals.  If we're speaking solely of physical appearances, then yes, I'll agree that men in general could handle more diversity in visual representation outside of hypermasculine hues.  

Mostly I mean physical. I don't mean they should act like the usual Hollywood gay stereotype, like "faaaaaabulous" gay, if that's what you mean.

 

I wouldn't mind if they had some elements to their personality that were less typically masculine associated, like Vivienne's character, for example. It doesn't have to be fashion and social climbing, but it's an example of something you always see with a female character and rarely with a male. I don't watch Game of Thrones, so I don't know much about him, but I really love the image of their blond knight in the armor with the flowers on it. Just from the images, I thought it was pulled off tastefully. He doesn't look like a joke or extremely over the top. You can still easily tell it's a guy in a suit of armor made for a man, but the design of the armor definitely subverts gender stereotypes and the actor, himself, is pretty while still being obviously male. That as a base concept is something I'd like to see more of. I don't watch the show, so this is just an image thing I'm working from, just in case there is a reason why people would have a larger issue with this character specifically that I don't know about. 

[Sequin]

I'm definitely in the camp of people who thought Alistair was older than he actually is. If asked, I would've said somewhere around 28-32.

[AresKeith]

According to toolset she was 26. Zevran probably about the same age

I remember Devs saying don't take the toolsets serious

[Milan92]

Yep. People thinking Alistair was 30 boggle me. He acts too childish for me to buy him as 30. Same with Morrigan.

 

DAI companions being older is good. Though my Inq's still only gonna be early 20ish so

 

Cassandra is 35-40 + Inquisitor who is 20ish = hawttest romance ever

[Chari]

I remember Devs saying don't take the toolsets serious

Still, such age seems fitting. Less than 25 - too young

[Iakus]

Cassandra is 35-40 + Inquisitor who is 20ish = hawttest romance ever

Don't forget if Vivienne was a senior enchanter of the Circle, she's likely in her mid to late-30s as well.

 

And Varric was hanging out with Hawke for the better part of a decade as well, meaning he's a bit "seasoned" at this point too.

 

Cullen as well

 

[Milan92]

Don't forget if Vivienne was a senior enchanter of the Circle, she's likely in her mid to late-30s as well.

 

And Varric was hanging out with Hawke for the better part of a decade as well, meaning he's a bit "seasoned" at this point too.

 

Cullen as well

 

 

Waht a cougar fest.

[Ryzaki]

Cassandra is 35-40 + Inquisitor who is 20ish = hawttest romance ever

 

Yes.

 

[Chari]

Actually Inquisitor's age is between 20 and 40

[daveliam]

I mean, I get that the request for younger guys maybe comes across as shallow, but the fact is that it's just impossible to find a character in a fantasy medium that I can really see myself in. Maybe I'll appreciate it in 15 years, I guess. As is, Bioware is really the only source I know of that heavily features gay characters in fantasy. There's a lot of push I've seen for specifically trying to make gay characters "not a stereotype". People suggesting making them someone like the warden. The only one we've actually had is Cortez, who has a very stereotypically manly look with the bulky figure, shaved head, chiseled features. I get the fear some people have, but it makes me feel like that's what men should want to be, regardless of sexuality. The message feels like, "see, gay men can be as good as the super masculine straight men". But what if you don't want to be that? If you don't want to be the grizzled, older guy, or the muscular, Captain America looking guy, then you're doing male wrong, it seems like. The guys I see people calling "pretty boys" are way more masculine than I am, or ever wanted to be, or want my partner to be. It seems like the only way for males to be "unconventional" is to push even further into hyper-masculinity, like Iron Bull. 

 

I'm not saying that all of the men should be young, but it would really be nice if we could get one eventually that looked as young as several of the females already have (early 20s) and that could maybe subvert gender stereotypes at least a little. I mean, at least not being extremely masculinized physically. It's something I feel like is extremely lacking in media, generally, but especially the fantasy genre. 

 

I can appreciate your thoughts on this even if I personally feel the complete opposite.  Sky, Kaidan, Anders, and Cortez are all traditionally masculine and came across as 'older'.  Zev is a tough one because while he's not traditionally masculine looking, he did come across as a Latin Lover stereotype, which is often associated with hypermasculinity.  

 

Is Fenris closer to what you are hoping for?  He's younger and looks much less traditionally masculine than the other m/m options.  

 

I can get behind the idea of them offering more variety in the m/m options, provided that they don't swing the pendulum completely in that direction and only start offering less masculine guys.  I grew up in a time where pretty much every gay character on television or in movies was either an asexual effeminate man or a hyper aggressive leather bear (both played for comedy against the woeful straight guy lead).  I LOVE that they are depicting regular guys who just happen to be gay or bisexual.  Kaidan, Anders, Cortez, and Sky are all just guys.  They aren't stereotypes (either direction) and I love that about them.

[aTigerslunch]

A first enchanter retains his position for life and reserves the right to appoint a successor, while taking into consideration the opinion of the templars. Eligible for this position are the Circle's senior enchanters.^[2] If there is no successor, the Knight-Commander appoints one, usually with the approval of the Circle's mages.^[3] A first enchanter is usually someone who is respected by all mages and usually the templars too, and he or she is not always chosen based off their power and abilities.

 

Age may not matter and could be younger than normal as well.  

[daveliam]

Don't forget if Vivienne was a senior enchanter of the Circle, she's likely in her mid to late-30s as well.

 

And Varric was hanging out with Hawke for the better part of a decade as well, meaning he's a bit "seasoned" at this point too.

 

Cullen as well

 

 

Yeah, if had to guess, I'd say:

 

Cassandra - mid-late 30's

Varric - mid-late 30's

Vivienne - early-mid 30's

Solas - not really sure at this point

Sera - early-mid 20's

Iron Bull - mid 30's

Bearded Warden - early-mid 40's

Dorian/DHMG - early-mid 30's

Cole - not really sure how to even think about his age, given his story

 

Cullen - mid-late 30's

Leliana - mid-late 30's

Scribe Girl - not really sure since we don't know enough about her.

 

In general, an older crew and I like it!

[Chari]

A first enchanter retains his position for life and reserves the right to appoint a successor, while taking into consideration the opinion of the templars. Eligible for this position are the Circle's senior enchanters.^[2] If there is no successor, the Knight-Commander appoints one, usually with the approval of the Circle's mages.^[3] A first enchanter is usually someone who is respected by all mages and usually the templars too, and he or she is not always chosen based off their power and abilities.

 

Age may not matter and could be younger than normal as well.

Vivienne is power-loving politician. I assure you, she is no younger than 30 if even the Emperess have heard of her

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Is Fenris closer to what you are hoping for?  He's younger and looks much less traditionally masculine than the other m/m options.  

Honestly, not really. I mean, the body type is about right. He still seemed about the same age as all the other guys, but maybe it's just because he had that really, really deep voice. I think it could have been throwing me off with him. 

[daveliam]

Honestly, not really. I mean, the body type is about right. He still seemed about the same age as all the other guys, but maybe it's just because he had that really, really deep voice. I think it could have been throwing me off with him. 

 

So more of a FF J-Pop approach where the characters are in their teens and early twenties?  Someone like Cloud or Titus or Squall?

 

I'm genuinely asking, so I hope it's not coming across as dismissive.

[wright1978]

Honestly, not really. I mean, the body type is about right. He still seemed about the same age as all the other guys, but maybe it's just because he had that really, really deep voice. I think it could have been throwing me off with him. 

 

Fenris struck me as early twenties. DHMG strikes me as being more twenties in appearance than thirties. Is there any reason people are saying he's mid thirties.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

So more of a FF J-Pop approach where the characters are in their teens and early twenties?  Someone like Cloud or Titus or Squall?

 

I'm genuinely asking, so I hope it's not coming across as dismissive.

I've never played Final Fantasy, so I'm not sure how well I can answer this. I don't want them to be so stylized? Early 20s, though, yes.

[javeart]

Yep. People thinking Alistair was 30 boggle me. He acts too childish for me to buy him as 30. Same with Morrigan.

 

DAI companions being older is good. Though my Inq's still only gonna be early 20ish so

 

Really? I don't find him particularly childish... what is that makes you think so?  

[daveliam]

Fenris struck me as early twenties. DHMG strikes me as being more twenties in appearance than thirties. Is there any reason people are saying he's mid thirties.

 

Because his concept art doesn't look like a young man, imo

 

 

Plus, if he really is Dorian, then wasn't he a magister?  Isn't a magister a title that would take some time to achieve?  Plus, he became a magister then left, so it's even been some time since he left.  I just think that it seems more like early-mid 30's being realistic.  Twenties seems a bit young to have accomplished all of that, although it's possible, I guess..

[Wulfram]

Fenris struck me as early twenties. DHMG strikes me as being more twenties in appearance than thirties. Is there any reason people are saying he's mid thirties.

 

His rumoured backstory (outcast magister) would imply some age.  And I think facial air makes people seem more mature

[daveliam]

I've never played Final Fantasy, so I'm not sure how well I can answer this. I don't want them to be so stylized? Early 20s, though, yes.

 

I guess I'm confused because Alistair was definitely early 20's and Fenris, to me at least, looked very young (like early 20's).

 

So yeah, they are a bit stylized, but these are the guys that I'm talking about:

 

More like this?

[Ryzaki]

Really? I don't find him particularly childish... what is that makes you think so?  

 

His reactions upon meeting Morrigan for one (sneaky witch thief really?), his interactions with her later (nose jokes), dumping the responsibility upon the PC's lap with his flip floping on hard choices (One moment he's sober and going yeah Conner needs to be killed the next he's jumping down the PC's throat about it and when called on it he pretty much pouts). It's small things like that to me.

[Ryzaki]

Actually Inquisitor's age is between 20 and 40

 

I thought it was anything between those two numbers. Thus a 20ish Inq is possible to play.