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[CuriousArtemis]

I think your being overly paranoid

 

Probably

[CuriousArtemis]

I honestly dont see how having gay/straight/bi LI is even a bad thing like some have called it. 

 

Cause it limits options. There are only two guys I want to romance with my quizzy... only one is a confirmed LI and the other probably won't be a LI. Chances are high that I'll end up with no one I want to romance.

 

It can be a good thing, of course; a lot of people feel good about seeing truly gay or lesbian characters in the game, not just "playersexual" and I get that.

[Vapaa]

ME 1
Straight males - 2 romances
Straight females - 1 romance
Lesbians - 1 romance
Gay males - 0 romances
 
ME 2
Straight males - 3 romances
Straight females- 3 romances
Lesbians - 0 romances
Gay males - 0 romances
 
ME 3
Straight males - 6 romances
Straight females - 3 romances
Lesbians - 3 romances
Gay males - 2 romances
 
* Not counting "flings" that don't count towards the romance achievements

I would count Samara who has a romance path way bigger than Kelly’s

[daveliam]

I would count Samara who has a romance path way bigger than Kelly’s

 

I would either count only those who give the achievement or everyone who has romance options.  I went with the former, so Samara is out as is Kelly in ME 2.  Kelly in ME 3 is in though.

[wright1978]

Considering:
A) We dont know how many LI there are
B - Only that Cassandra and Cullen are LI
C) All bi is not back
D) Romances are more effected by events now
 
I dont think we really have enough info out to really make a judgement.
I honestly dont see how having gay/straight/bi LI is even a bad thing like some have called it. 
 

Well the orientation restrictions mean that to retain the same levels of choice per gender/orientation in companion romances as da2 requires a minimum of 6 companion li's not the previous 4. So gating will be a bad thing if there isn't this increase in companion romances or they try and substitute with non-equivalent npc romances. We don't know details but limited info is worrying.

[Allan Schumacher]

ME 1

Straight males - 2 romances

Straight females - 1 romance

Lesbians - 1 romance

Gay males - 0 romances

 

ME 2

Straight males - 3 romances

Straight females- 3 romances

Lesbians - 0 romances

Gay males - 0 romances

 

ME 3

Straight males - 6 romances

Straight females - 3 romances

Lesbians - 3 romances

Gay males - 2 romances

 

* Not counting "flings" that don't count towards the romance achievements

 

I'd probably drop the numbers somewhat since this (if I'm not mistaken) ends up including returning characters.

[Giggles_Manically]

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Wow I never new the stats were that bad.

 

I mean I always knew it was not far, but that is kinda shockingly large gap

[Panda]

And 40 is near death!!!! *cue horror music*

 

 

Of cource ^^; It's just that I can't relate someone twice my age when playing as much as someone close to my age group. I like to think all my wardens, hawkes and shephards somehow close in age.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

ME 1

Straight males - 2 romances

Straight females - 1 romance

Lesbians - 1 romance

Gay males - 0 romances

 

ME 2

Straight males - 3 romances

Straight females- 3 romances

Lesbians - 0 romances

Gay males - 0 romances

 

ME 3

Straight males - 6 romances

Straight females - 3 romances

Lesbians - 3 romances

Gay males - 2 romances

 

* Not counting "flings" that don't count towards the romance achievements

 

I'd probably drop the numbers somewhat since this (if I'm not mistaken) ends up including returning characters.

 

Here:

 

Straight Male Options:

Ashley Williams

Liara T'Soni

Miranda Lawson

Jack

Tali'Zorah vas Normandy

Kelly Chambers

 

Straight Female Options:

Kaidan Alenko

Jacob Taylor

Garrus Vakarian

Thane Krios

 

Gay Male Options:

Kaidan Alenko

Steve Cortez

 

Gay Female Options:

Liara T'Soni

Samantha Traynor

Kelly Chambers

 

So overall:

Straight Male Options) 6

Straight Female) 4

Gay Male) 2

Gay Female) 3

[jlb524]

I like to drop non-companion options when I look at it:

 

Straight male:  5

Straight female:  4*

Gay male:  1

Gay female: 1

 

*half of their options died/cheated

[Mockingword]

I don't think it makes a difference if your LI dies or cheats on you. It doesn't negate the content that came before.

[rapscallioness]

ME 1

Straight males - 2 romances

Straight females - 1 romance

Lesbians - 1 romance

Gay males - 0 romances

 

ME 2

Straight males - 3 romances

Straight females- 3 romances

Lesbians - 0 romances

Gay males - 0 romances

 

ME 3

Straight males - 6 romances

Straight females - 3 romances

Lesbians - 3 romances

Gay males - 2 romances

 

* Not counting "flings" that don't count towards the romance achievements

Straight females in ME3 had one romance. Kaidan--who is always a hair away from death, and gone for almost half the game.

 

Unless you import, and unless you romanced Garrus in ME2--then you have Kaidan in ME3. If you don't end up killing him some kinda way.

 

Thane--well, by their own admission they forgot abt him. Idk if that means they forgot abt him as a character, or as just an LI.

 

So, yeah, I'm a lil skittish.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't think it makes a difference if your LI dies or cheats on you. It doesn't negate the content that came before.

Yeah. I mean, it's not like any of the romances end with a happily ever after in ME3, barring a possibility of it via Breath Scene.

[daveliam]

I'd probably drop the numbers somewhat since this (if I'm not mistaken) ends up including returning characters.

 

Yeah, it includes returning characters because I was looking at each game individually.  I think it's important to do that with the ME series because the numbers change across the games.  If it were consistent across each game, then I would look at the series as a whole.  If I were looking at the series as a whole, I agree with Hinata's numbers:

 

So overall:

Straight Male Options) 6

Straight Female) 4

Gay Male) 2

Gay Female) 3

I think it's a case of numbers telling different stories depending on how you present them.  Just showing the series numbers does accurately represent how many were in the series, but it misses the nuance that in one game straight males had 6 options and in two out of three games, gay males had zero options.  that's telling to me.

[jlb524]

I don't think it makes a difference if your LI dies or cheats on you. It doesn't negate the content that came before.

 

I still counted it.

 

But I'm not going to say the quality of the Jacob romance experience is nearly the same as the Miranda one at the end of the day.

[daveliam]

Straight females in ME3 had one romance. Kaidan--who is always a hair away from death, and gone for almost half the game.

 

Unless you import, and unless you romanced Garrus in ME2--then you have Kaidan in ME3. If you don't end up killing him some kinda way.

 

Thane--well, by their own admission they forgot abt him. Idk if that means they forgot abt him as a character, or as just an LI.

 

So, yeah, I'm a lil skittish.

 

No, straight females had three options in ME 3.  Not every player had those options, but there were three options.  Kaidan, Thane, and Garrus were all romanceable in ME 3.  It's the same way that straight males claim that they only really have 3 options in ME 3 because they can only import one romance from ME 2.  It doesn't take away that there are six female characters romanceable by males in ME3.  It also doesn't take away that there are three male characters romanceable by females in ME 3.  This is purely quantitative, not qualitative.  Qualitative is tricky because YMMV.

[Mockingword]

Yeah. I mean, it's not like any of the romances end with a happily ever after in ME3, barring a possibility of it via Breath Scene.

Well, a lot of people use it to say "See, women were screwed over too! Quality over quantity, etc!"

 

But the only reason gay men don't suffer through Jacob's infidelity or Thane's death is because they weren't allowed to romance them in the first place.

 

Like, the fact that the content for straight women supposedly sucked doesn't in any way mitigate the fact that gay men got nothing. We don't get quality or quantity. 

[rapscallioness]

No straight females had three options in ME 3.  Not every player had those options, but there were three options.  Kaidan, Thane, and Garrus were all romanceable in ME 3.  It's the same way that straight males claim that they only really have 3 options in ME 3 because they can only import one romance from ME 2.  It doesn't take away that there are six female characters romanceable by males in ME3.  It also doesn't take away that there are three male characters romanceable by females in ME 3.  This is purely quantitative, not qualitative.  Qualitative is tricky because YMMV.

I'm talking ME3. If you don't import, you don't have them. You cannot strike up a romance w/Garrus in ME3. Nor Thane for that matter, and for what's it's worth. There are not 3 options in ME3. Please don't tell me how good I had it in ME3 when I know darn well I didn't.

 

And yes, in both previous games gay/lesbians got completely ignored. That's why I'm a fan of playersexual for the LI's that are available. Although in ME3, they were not available, regardless.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm talking ME3. If you don't import, you don't have them. You cannot strike up a romance w/Garrus in ME3. Nor Thane for that matter, and for what's it's worth. There are not 3 options in ME3. Please don't tell me how good I had it in ME3 when I know darn well I didn't.

 

And yes, in both previous games gay/lesbians got completely ignored. That's why I'm a fan of playersexual for the LI's that are available. Although in ME3, they were not available, regardless.

Well, lesbians weren't ignored in ME1. They did have Liara.

 

I'll not count ME2 Kelly since we aren't doing flings plus I don't think you get intimate until after she can dance for you. 

 

I too support the 'every LI available to anyone' concept. 

[daveliam]

I'm talking ME3. If you don't import, you don't have them. You cannot strike up a romance w/Garrus in ME3. Nor Thane for that matter, and for what's it's worth. There are not 3 options in ME3. Please don't tell me how good I had it in ME3 when I know darn well I didn't.

 

And yes, in both previous games gay/lesbians got completely ignored. That's why I'm a fan of playersexual for the LI's that are available. Although in ME3, they were not available, regardless.

 

I am aware that you cannot start new romances with them in ME 3.  I am talking about the total number of romances in ME 3 that are male characters available to female PCs.  There are three:  Kaidan, Garrus, and Thane.  Whether they are good romances is a completely different topic.  We are talking about the total numbers.  Three male characters in ME 3 are romanceable by female PCs.  That is a fact.

 

I didn't say that straight female players "had it good", so please don't twist my statements around to imply that I mean something else.  I say exactly what I mean.  In this case, I mean to say (and did say) that straight female PCs had three romanceable options in ME 3. 

[BubbleDncr]

No, straight females had three options in ME 3.  Not every player had those options, but there were three options.  Kaidan, Thane, and Garrus were all romanceable in ME 3.  It's the same way that straight males claim that they only really have 3 options in ME 3 because they can only import one romance from ME 2.  It doesn't take away that there are six female characters romanceable by males in ME3.  It also doesn't take away that there are three male characters romanceable by females in ME 3.  This is purely quantitative, not qualitative.  Qualitative is tricky because YMMV.

 

I think it's slightly unfair to the ME team to use this view. If they didn't include previous romances in the game, people who romanced characters in ME1 and 2 would be pissed if those characters showed up and no longer recognized a romance.

 

But if they didn't include new romance options for people, people who are new to the series or didn't romance anyone in ME1 and 2 would be pissed.

 

Yes, it's unfair if in ME3, straight male characters got 3 people to pick from and straight females only got 1 (I say if because I don't know who all the romances are and what conditions you can romance them in are off the top of my head). But I think you can really only use who was romanceable for brand new players for the argument - because they kind of have to live with their past mistakes. And if you go by those numbers, it's slightly less horribly unbalanced.

[rapscallioness]

Well, lesbians weren't ignored in ME1. They did have Liara.

 

I'll not count ME2 Kelly since we aren't doing flings plus I don't think you get intimate until after she can dance for you. 

 

I too support the 'every LI available to anyone' concept. 

ah, Liara. Forgot abt her. And Kelly, tho, I like Kelly, I don't count that as a "romance" either..

[BubbleDncr]

Bleh somehow I accidentally quoted myself. Removed that post.

[daveliam]

I think it's slightly unfair to the ME team to use this view. If they didn't include previous romances in the game, people who romanced characters in ME1 and 2 would be pissed if those characters showed up and no longer recognized a romance.

 

They actually did this.  But only to straight females.  Straight males and lesbians had all of their options carry over.  And gay men had no options to carry over to begin with.

 

Yes, it's unfair if in ME3, straight male characters got 3 people to pick from and straight females only got 1 (I say if because I don't know who all the romances are and what conditions you can romance them in are off the top of my head). But I think you can really only use who was romanceable for brand new players for the argument - because they kind of have to live with their past mistakes. And if you go by those numbers, it's slightly less horribly unbalanced.

 

Yes, it would be slightly less unbalanced, but I think it's also a misrepresentation.  Just because not everyone had access to them, doesn't mean they aren't there.  The fact remains that there are 6 females for straight males and 3 males for straight females.  The resources still had to be put into those romances whether everyone could use them or not.

[rapscallioness]

I am aware that you cannot start new romances with them in ME 3.  I am talking about the total number of romances in ME 3 that are male characters available to female PCs.  There are three:  Kaidan, Garrus, and Thane.  Whether they are good romances is a completely different topic.  We are talking about the total numbers.  Three male characters in ME 3 are romanceable by female PCs.  That is a fact.

 

I didn't say that straight female players "had it good", so please don't twist my statements around to imply that I mean something else.  I say exactly what I mean.  In this case, I mean to say (and did) that straight female PCs had three romanceable options in ME 3. 

I'm not talking abt the quality of the romances, either. They were not available in ME3--that's a fact. You're talking ME2 to ME3. I'm talking ME3. If I start a new game of ME3, I have Kaidan. Period.

 

And it sure sounded like that's what you were saying. You're still saying it. You're saying we had 3 romances in ME3, that's simply not true.