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[rapscallioness]

And for replayability? I like the idea of there being some variety.  

Well, you still have to replay if you want to access the romances. You can't have a romance w/everyone at the same time in DA2. You have to choose at sum point.

[WildOrchid]

It seems like it's always Cassandra and Dorian in the avatars. Half the people on the forum are Cassandra or Dorian. lol  

 

If you mean my avi, it's lady Trevelyan (the quizzy) and not Cass. 

 

 

 

 

Edit:  Wow my net is slow tonight.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'm a boy panda, you jerk. ):<

Well, it's a give and take. 

[rapscallioness]

And I totally understand that viewpoint, as much as I liked DA2's approach. Too many people called DA2's romances 'cheap' and 'unrealistic' just because they were open regardless of Hawke's sex. I don't agree with it, but I get it.

 

So while I'm certain we will still get 'bi' romances in the next game, they will just be some of the companions and not the whole bunch.

Honestly, I think the romances may have felt...lesser...because of the rushed state of the whole game. And the absence of investigate dialogues; the ability to have small talk. Things like that.

[Mockingword]

I've just accepted that some people feel that way about sexuality and I'll never understand them.

I can only imagine that some people are just super keen to meet some digital gays.

 

Like, maybe they live in Utah, and they've never seen one.

 

Cause, like, it's not difficult to meet straight people IRL at all. That would not make for a very good video game.

[Tasmen]

Well, you still have to replay if you want to access the romances. You can't have a romance w/everyone at the same time in DA2. You have to choose at sum point.

 

That's pretty much what I was saying. Not having everyone playersexual would mean you can't romance all in one playthrough.  I like this.. a lot.  

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Well, you still have to replay if you want to access the romances. You can't have a romance w/everyone at the same time in DA2. You have to choose at sum point.

This is what I've never understood about the replay factor. 

[CuriousArtemis]

Honestly, I think the romances may have felt...lesser...because of the rushed state of the whole game. And the absence of investigate dialogues; the ability to have small talk. Things like that.

 

I think it depends on the romance. In my experience, the Fenris romance was more fulfilling (had more insight into the character, more content, etc.) than the other three.

 

And in DA:O, I would imagine Alistair and Morrigan's romance were probably more fulfilling than Leliana's or Zevran's.

[CuriousArtemis]

Like, maybe they live in Utah, and they've never seen one.

 

Pretty sure they've seen some and just didn't know it

[Mockingword]

This is what I've never understood about the replay factor. 

I'm not going to replay for the sake of gross hetero or lesbian romances anyway. ):

[Deviija]

Also, though, I'd like to point out that the actors I posted pictures of and the ones I talked about later are actually in the 26-32 range. 

 

Right, I caught that.  It is why I used the term "appear" more in your age group.  As in, people just appearing to look to be in their young 20s.     I knew what you were intimating.

 

And for replayability? I like the idea of there being some variety.  

 

There is plenty of replayability and variety if everyone is bi.  You also are not required to play any particular gender PC to access the romance content if you do not wish to either.  

[Kirie]

Lately I've been thinking that Solas doesn't really belong in the line-up. Call me crazy, but the more I look at him, the more he doesn't scream "LI." Now this is most definitely not based on personal feelings, as I equally dislike the look of maybe!Dorian, but I feel 100% that he will be a LI. But Solas' look has to be such a conscious choice by the artists. It's Gollum meets Nosferatu meets Dobby. That just doesn't spell out "romance" to me.

So I'm revising:

Males:
Cullen -- bi
Dorian -- gay
Beardy -- straight

Again, this does NOT benefit me b/c I want to romance Beardy and I'd like him to be available to my dude!quizzy. But I do think Dorian will be gay (somehow I just see the writers/artists falling into the stereotype that is his overall look), and even though my greatest fear is that Cullen will be straight, I see them making the NPC bi. Now, I don't want to believe that, because I want to be pleasantly surprised, but this isn't about my personal feelings.

Why Beardy instead of Varric -- b/c of a couple things Cam said in various interviews, mostly, suggesting that no way is Varric romanceable.

Why Beardy instead of Iron Bull -- just because of the sheer size of Iron Bull and how difficult this would be to animate versus a human-shaped and human-sized Beardy. That's the only reason, really.

I respect your opinion, but I really hope this is not the case. Too many humans :/

[Melca36]

Thanks Melca, I ran out of likes so figured I'd send a like this way.

 

You're welcome.    I just believe age is a state of mind.    There are people who are in their 70s that look in their 50s.

 

 

 

Case in point.....Raquel Welch is 72 years old..............

 

 

 

While we do live in a youth obsessed society people really need to rethink their preconceived notions about age.   

[Mockingword]

Jesus Christ. What, does she bathe in the blood of virgins?

[Tasmen]

I think it depends on the romance. In my experience, the Fenris romance was more fulfilling (had more insight into the character, more content, etc.) than the other three.

 

And in DA:O, I would imagine Alistair and Morrigan's romance were probably more fulfilling than Leliana's or Zevran's.

 

I liked all the romances in DAO.  However, I found Zevran's far more fulfilling than Alistair's.  You had to work more at Zev's and it netted, imho, the greater reward.  

[franciscoamell]

What's stereotipically gay about DHMG's look?
*eyeroll*

[Fiery Phoenix]

*snip*

No, they don't publicly announce their sexual preference to everyone they meet. Pretty sure that's not how Izzy did it. It would be during the build-up to the romance, stated to the player character as part of the romance-specific dialogue (regardless of whether it actually leads to a full romance).

 

I am talking about this from a design perspective, not in an in-game lore perspective as you seem to be. It's a way of letting the player know who this character is and what they are like. If they express or imply interest in both genders, then that's your answer. If they don't, they it's entirely up to you to headcanon it the way you want. However, they're still technically not bi because there is literally nothing in the game that states as much, regardless of the fact that they are open to both genders.

[Mockingword]

What's stereotipically gay about DHMG's look?
*eyeroll*

He's clean. 

[Tasmen]

Right, I caught that.  It is why I used the term "appear" more in your age group.  As in, people just appearing to look to be in their young 20s.     I knew what you were intimating.

 

 

There is plenty of replayability and variety if everyone is bi.  You also are not required to play any particular gender PC to access the romance content if you do not wish to either.  

 

I feel like you are missing out if you don't play both sexes.  The VO is often very different.  Having the ability to see different content while playing the diff sexes is just icing on the cake for me.  

[BubbleDncr]

So in video games, characters always publicly announce their sexual preference to everyone they meet? If they don't, then their sexual preference is only toward the gender of protagonist they romance, rather than still being being gay, lesbian, or bi but just not talking about it?

 

Shy, introverted, low-self-esteemed Merrill can barely greet a stranger without stuttering and self-reproaching, yet she should feel comfortable openly hitting on girls and guys before the PC flirts with her? Angry, bitter, brooding, loner Fenris will barely talk to anyone without a scowl or a sneer, keeps his thoughts to himself, and spends most of his time avoiding people, yet he's supposed to hit on or express sexual interest toward both men and women before the PC hits on him, or at least before he starts reciprocating the PC's flirting? Neither of these characters strikes me as being very comfortable or open talking about sex or attraction, yet the fact they don't talk about it means they can't be bi?

 

In hind sight, Anders is clearly "in the closet" about being bi and will only let men he likes know that he's interested (like Karl and Male Hawke), but simply neglect to tell strangers or women he likes that he's also into men (like the Warden and Female Hawke), yet when he's in a relationship with Hawke it must be because he was never into the opposite gender at all?

 

What sense does that make?

 

I think if the player character is romancing someone, they should know what sexuality they are. I don't think anyone in the world would have no reaction at all if someone they've been dating for years (as in DA2) suddenly told them they were bi.

 

I believe, if I remember correctly, in DA:O, you could have a conversation with both Zevran and Leliana about their being interested in both men and women. So you knew they were bi. So I don't see why that couldn't also happen with characters like Merrill and Fenris - or any bi characters.

[rapscallioness]

That's pretty much what I was saying. Not having everyone playersexual would mean you can't romance all in one playthrough.  I like this.. a lot.  

But in DA2 with everyone playersexual I could not romance everyone in one PT. Other LI's would get locked out. Unless....I missing something.

[jlb524]

If you mean my avi, it's lady Trevelyan (the quizzy) and not Cass. 

 

Oh, "Lady Trevelyan" is such a fancy title.  I wonder if family names will be used in this manner?

 

The elf Inquisitor can be "Lavellan the Knife Ear"!

[Melca36]

Lately I've been thinking that Solas doesn't really belong in the line-up. Call me crazy, but the more I look at him, the more he doesn't scream "LI." Now this is most definitely not based on personal feelings, as I equally dislike the look of maybe!Dorian, but I feel 100% that he will be a LI. But Solas' look has to be such a conscious choice by the artists. It's Gollum meets Nosferatu meets Dobby. That just doesn't spell out "romance" to me. 

 

So I'm revising:

 

Males:

Cullen -- bi

Dorian -- gay

Beardy -- straight

 

Again, this does NOT benefit me b/c I want to romance Beardy and I'd like him to be available to my dude!quizzy. But I do think Dorian will be gay (somehow I just see the writers/artists falling into the stereotype that is his overall look), and even though my greatest fear is that Cullen will be straight, I see them making the NPC bi. Now, I don't want to believe that, because I want to be pleasantly surprised, but this isn't about my personal feelings.

 

Why Beardy instead of Varric -- b/c of a couple things Cam said in various interviews, mostly, suggesting that no way is Varric romanceable.

 

Why Beardy instead of Iron Bull -- just because of the sheer size of Iron Bull and how difficult this would be to animate versus a human-shaped and human-sized Beardy. That's the only reason, really.

 

 

You are right about Iron Bull.  I know people want to romance him but there will be restrictions because of his size.   I think you are going to see him reject the advances of certain Inquisitors.

 

I don't think he's going to be available to dwarf or elf inquisitors, and possibly even humans.   

 

He will either be limited to Qunari Inquisitors or he possibly won't be romanceable.

[Deviija]

While we do live in a youth obsessed society people really need to rethink their preconceived notions about age. 

 

True, it reminds me of a singer on X-Factor, Lillie McCloud.  

 

Spoiler

 

She is 54 (in the video), but does not look it at all.