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[CuriousArtemis]

Moving away from gender gating for a minute;

 

I wonder, does everyone think there will be main romances again? What is everyone's opinion of them? Would you rather we didn't have them? Back to gender gating, are you worried about getting locked out of them?

 

Yeah I think the main romance is obviously Cassandra.

 

As for males, I can't tell. If Varric's a romance, then Varric.

 

And to the second question, no, cause the guys and girls I like don't stand to be major characters Man I always choose the wrong ones! (Although Isabela is my canon fem!Hawke romance, and she's pretty special.)

[Nocte ad Mortem]

That's true.  I actually completely forgot about the fact that Liara has some romance content in the DLC because I've never actually romanced her.  She's just my gay Shepard's BFF (all this talk of Garrus being his BFF is .  He's definitely his closest straight guy friend, but Gay Shep and Liara are the true BFF's!).

It's kind of funny, Garrus and Varric are the "main friend" plots the way Morrigan and Alistair are "main romances", it seems. lol   

[jlb524]

I would be surprised if the "main" romance was an NPC. Like, really surprised. 

 

Could be if the advisers are super-plot important and can't die.  Depends what they do with them I guess.

[CuriousArtemis]

That's true.  I actually completely forgot about the fact that Liara has some romance content in the DLC because I've never actually romanced her.  She's just my gay Shepard's BFF (all this talk of Garrus being his BFF is .  He's definitely his closest straight guy friend, but Gay Shep and Liara are the true BFF's!).

 

Ha, same! And Isabela--not Varric--is usually my Hawke's BFF. In my playthrough where she was Hawke's g/f, Hawke was kind of a total beotch and didn't really have any BFFs lol

[CuriousArtemis]

AMEN. Liara was my best friend throughout the entire series. One hell of a character. I actually think Garrus was my least favorite of the squadmates.

 

He's kind of boring, and IIRC, in ME2 he and Shepard really don't see eye to eye.

[daveliam]

I would be surprised if the "main" romance was an NPC. Like, really surprised. My gut feeling is towards it being Solas, but it's basically the same reason people think Cassandra, he's gotten so much early coverage. If the Venatori plot is more substantial than we realize to the main arc, I could see it being Dorian. 

 

This hinges on the fact that I'll be surprised if Solas and Dorian aren't the LIs, though, which could be wrong. 

 

But wasn't Solas really just leaked by accident by a magazine.  Have they ever released information about him directly?  Isn't all we know about him his name that he's an expert on the Fade (both from the magazine, with his name being corrected by Gaider)?

 

The only male companion who they have officially released is Varric, right?  And they've talked about Iron Bull.  It's all a mystery to me still.

 

I guess that once we know more about the plot and the characters, we'll be able to guess more.  Right now, though, it seems like we just don't have enough to go on.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I very desperately hope you are right

Well, I worry that my judgment is colored by bias, because they're my first and second LI choices. With two choices between Dorian/Solas/Cullen, I couldn't be too disappointed, which means I have a vested interest that could cloud my judgment. lol

 

They just seem like the most typical choices. Which may not turn out to be what they went with this time, but it's as good a guess as any. Haha. 

[Maria Caliban]

You are right about Iron Bull. I know people want to romance him but there will be restrictions because of his size.

It doesn't work that way. >.>

[CuriousArtemis]

Well, I worry that my judgment is colored by bias, because they're my first and second LI choices. With two choices between Dorian/Solas/Cullen, I couldn't be too disappointed, which means I have a vested interest that could cloud my judgment. lol 

 

Mine are Cullen/Beardy/IB ... man, I am screwed!

[daveliam]

Has, same! And Isabela--not Varric--is usually my Hawke's BFF. In my playthrough where she was Hawke's g/f, Hawke was kind of a total beotch and didn't really have any BFFs lol

 

I'm doing a run through now with sarcastic male mage Hawke, romancing Anders, and Isabela is totally his BFF.  She just brought back the book for him!  And he didn't even have to sleep with her to get her to do it.  She must have been very disappointed. 

 

That makes me think that I'm very happy to hear the LIs will have content that we can access even if we don't romance them.  There's nothing worse than an LI just shutting down because you don't romance them.  I'm looking at you, ME 2 LI's.  I had zero romance options AND everyone just stopped talking to me because I wouldn't sleep with them.  Boo.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

But wasn't Solas really just leaked by accident by a magazine.  Have they ever released information about him directly?  Isn't all we know about him his name that he's an expert on the Fade (both from the magazine, with his name being corrected by Gaider)?

 

The only male companion who they have officially released is Varric, right?  And they've talked about Iron Bull.  It's all a mystery to me still.

 

I guess that once we know more about the plot and the characters, we'll be able to guess more.  Right now, though, it seems like we just don't have enough to go on.

They haven't released much info on Solas, but he's been in a lot of screen shots. After Vivienne, he was the next that they started putting in almost all the companion shots. Iron Bull has been in some recently, but way less overall. 

 

I would just be surprised if Varric ends up being an LI. I still more lean towards they theory that they were setting up for Bianca to come back.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Characters don't say they like both characters. From a headcanon perspective, you can think "Oh, straight/gay/lesbian" when you first see them. When they express interest in one someone of one gender, you can think "Oh, they're interested in people of that gender." However, when it's revealed (either by the characters themselves in-game or the developer testimony or what have you) that they are in fact Y instead of X, it's highly stupid (not to mention egoistical) to say "Well, the character in this playthrough didn't tell my character in said playthrough to his/her face, therefore I choose to discard the lore and believe what I want to believe based on what I see on the screen."

Except that's really not what I'm saying. Not in the slightest.

 

To reiterate my position, if there is no clear indication that a character is bisexual, then I am probably free to think that they are, or that they aren't. Either way, it would be my own personal interpretation (that is to say, what I personally accept and what makes sense to me.) Notice that in no way am I saying that you are right or wrong by calling them bisexual; I am simply saying that you don't really know--and as such, it is up to you to interpret it however you want as the writers chose not to give you a definite answer.

 

When I said they aren't technically bisexual in a previous comment, I was really saying we have no real proof that they are. The fact that the game gives me the option to romance these characters regardless of my own character's gender is irrelevant, and most certainly is NOT an indication of the lore telling me that they are bisexual. Just because I can romance them with the same sex does not mean they are, in fact, bisexual. Rather, it means I have the option to try a romance with them. That's literally all it is. It is NOT proof that they are bisexual as is the case with Anders and Isabela.

 

Now, I'm going to admit that this could change and it might one day be revealed that Fenris really is bisexual. If that happens, I'm sure nobody would be pissed and delete their DA2 saves because OMG RETCON, since you can't possibly retcon something that was never even stated in the first place.

 

Moreover, David Gaider did, as a matter of fact, mention that he does not consider the DA2 romances bisexual for this very reason. I would dig out his post for you but it is buried somewhere beneath the depths of the legacy forums. Do I take his statement as gospel proof that these characters aren't? No, certainly not. But it's something to ponder.

 

Personally, until I see in-game indications (or similar), I'm sticking to the idea that they are equally likely to be of whatever sexual orientation there is. Thus, it's convenient to headcanon and say Fenris or Merill is gay in my playthrough. Does not mean I'm not open to further revelations regarding their actual sexual orientation.

 

I guess it's safe to say that I identify more strongly with the idea "because they don't say it, doesn't mean they aren't" than the idea "because it's not made obvious, I am free to assume what I want."

That is fair enough to me, because for all intents and purposes, we are arguing over something that we don't know the real answer to (unless your super secret internal sources have shown you something we don't know about, Allan. )

[Deviija]

I wonder, does everyone think there will be main romances again? What is everyone's opinion of them? Would you rather we didn't have them? Back to gender gating, are you worried about getting locked out of them?

 

I don't want to feel how I felt (and still feel to some extent) like I did after Origins.  For me, it felt like Alistair and Morrigan's roles within the game and within the world itself were leagues more important than Leliana and Zevran.  I didn't feel like Leliana and Zevran mattered at all beyond being an extra swordarm for the Blight.  I've heard arguments about Alistair and Morrigan not being that important if you didn't do the DR or turned Alistair into a drunk, but the fact remains that their potential and choice-driven content is available.  They can be very influential and important figures in the world.  

 

Then DA2 came out and it handwaved Leliana's death and layered her with a more important responsibility, role, and prestige within the world.   Which was great.  I loved it.   But... Zevran, nothing has been done with him.  

 

So yes, for a long time, it felt to me like priority given to the "main" romances for the heterosexual pair, and important roles within the world given special to them.  I didn't like it.  I still don't for Zevran.  I rather every companion just be similarly important to the plotlines and be important people in and of themselves.  Inquisition seems like it could be going this direction, with how companions are turning out to be influential people in positions of power, so I can only hope the content for LIs have all of them relatively important and comparable in scope to the game.

[Sequin]

Moving away from gender gating for a minute;

 

I wonder, does everyone think there will be main romances again? What is everyone's opinion of them? Would you rather we didn't have them? Back to gender gating, are you worried about getting locked out of them?

 

When it comes to a fantasy story, it can be nice to have a romantic element tied directly into the main, over-arching plot of the narrative because it can elevate that relationship to new heights. In a video game, a "main romance" can grow beyond just an additional feature that exists outside the main storyline. It can become a part of the main storyline, itself, even if it is subtle.

 

But I feel like at this point all of the romances should start to be written as "main romances." Each one should be different, sure, but if you play the game and choose a romance... you should leave that experience feeling like you picked "the one main romance" that was tied into the main plot over all the others... a situation where you leave the game thinking that there couldn't possibly have been a better (more tied into the main story) romance in the game.

 

If there's only one "main romance" however (one male and one female NPC story), and especially if it's gender-gated... then no. Just let it go away. And if it doesn't want to go away, force it to go away. There's no reason I should be "best pals" with a woman who is written to be a "leading lady" while romancing someone who isn't as connected to the overarching plot... meanwhile a male character who is going through the same scenario as me gets to romance her simply because it fits the traditional hero/leading lady mold.

 

Sometimes I want to slay the dragon and get the girl, too.

 

So I'm against main romances, especially when gated. But I'd be all for a scenario where all of the romances are more tied into the over-all plot.

[JadePrince]

I'm not sure about "main" romances or not, but I do hope the gay/lesbian/bisexual companions (LIs or not) aren't so easily skippable as Leliana, Zevran, Fenris and Isabela were! Actually, I'd like for DA:I to more or less make it impossible to accidentally miss ANY of your companions. If people don't like them then they can send them away after the fact, I guess (though I honestly don't understand why anyone does and intentionally misses out on content).

[CENIC]

Moving away from gender gating for a minute;

I wonder, does everyone think there will be main romances again? What is everyone's opinion of them? Would you rather we didn't have them? Back to gender gating, are you worried about getting locked out of them?

I really enjoyed what Alistair and Morrigan's "plot relevance" added to their romances... or, at least, what I imagined it added, as someone else pointed out.
That being said, they were gender gated, which meant not everyone got to experience the melding of main plot and romantic subplot the way I did. If romances with plot intrinsic characters are available in Inquisition, I hope they are the bisexual or homosexual love interests. Either give everyone access to it as with Anders and Isabela in DA2, or give gay/lesbian players the "superior" options this time around, since they were screwed over in Origins.
I wouldn't be too upset if the romance subplots were completely divorced from the main plot in Inquisition, though. While the romance aspect is a very important facet of the game for many of us, it is an optional facet.

[Maria Caliban]

Moreover, David Gaider did, as a matter of fact, mention that he does not consider the DA2 romances bisexual for this very reason. I would dig out his post for you but it is buried somewhere beneath the depths of the legacy forums.

1. David wrote one of the romances. I'd be more interested in Mary's position on Merril's sexuality or Sheryl's thoughts on Isabela's sexuality than David's.

2. Everyone and their brother remembers David saying something, which always supports their position, but they don't have a link to it. Most of the time they're remembering something another poster claimed David said or misread his post.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I don't want to feel how I felt (and still feel to some extent) like I did after Origins.  For me, it felt like Alistair and Morrigan's roles within the game and within the world itself were leagues more important than Leliana and Zevran.  I didn't feel like Leliana and Zevran mattered at all beyond being an extra swordarm for the Blight.  I've heard arguments about Alistair and Morrigan not being that important if you didn't do the DR or turned Alistair into a drunk, but the fact remains that their potential and choice-driven content is available.  They can be very influential and important figures in the world.  

 

Then DA2 came out and it handwaved Leliana's death and layered her with a more important responsibility, role, and prestige within the world.   Which was great.  I loved it.   But... Zevran, nothing has been done with him.  

 

So yes, for a long time, it felt to me like priority given to the "main" romances for the heterosexual pair, and important roles within the world given special to them.  I didn't like it.  I still don't for Zevran.  I rather every companion just be similarly important to the plotlines and be important people in and of themselves.  Inquisition seems like it could be going this direction, with how companions are turning out to be influential people in positions of power, so I can only hope the content for LIs have all of them relatively important and comparable in scope to the game.

To me, it seems like Zevran and Fenris were the ones that got the least involvement so far. Elven boys need better coverage, haha.

 

I agree with you, though, that it would be nice if they could just balance the content among the LIs, overall. I do hope the Inquisition companions have more overall balanced parts to play, both LIs and non-LIs. 

[Maria Caliban]

Moving away from gender gating for a minute;
 
I wonder, does everyone think there will be main romances again? What is everyone's opinion of them? Would you rather we didn't have them? Back to gender gating, are you worried about getting locked out of them?

I suspect that some companions will be more important to the plot than others. I don't think we'll have something like the Dark Ritual or Alistar becoming king and you being his queen again.

I'm fine with them, though I'd prefer it if my PC had access to them.

Yes, I tend to worry about those things. I worry about them more before I get the game; after I get the game and play it, I usually grow fond of whatever character I romance so it matters less.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Personally, I don't technically like calling these characters 'bi' unless it is directly stated by them (such as in Izzy's case). The simple logic is if I romance Fenris with my female Hawke, then it's safe to consider him 'straight' in that particular reality. But in another parallel universe where I romance him with my dude Hawke, he can be gay all he wants because there is literally nothing in that playthrough that states otherwise. So given these two situations, Fenris is neither gay, nor straight, nor bi. He's simply whatever I want him to be.

 

It's why I find DA2's approach to romance to be the best of the bunch, really. But I'm not expecting to see that in DA:I.

Yeah, I liked them being sexually ambiguous. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'm not sure about "main" romances or not, but I do hope the gay/lesbian/bisexual companions (LIs or not) aren't so easily skippable as Leliana, Zevran, Fenris and Isabela were! Actually, I'd like for DA:I to more or less make it impossible to accidentally miss ANY of your companions. If people don't like them then they can send them away after the fact, I guess (though I honestly don't understand why anyone does and intentionally misses out on content).

Maybe it's because he's never been my LI choice, but I never considered Fenris to be "the gay one" of the group. Not any more so than Anders. I mean, I can kind of see Isabela, since she's obviously bi. Anders is the one of the two that actually had a history with men. I do think Fenris got the least amount of content, though, and he's the one that adds the least to the actual story. You miss almost nothing in DA2 by not picking up Fenris. Not picking up Isabela changes a lot, I think. 

 

Or did I just totally misunderstand that and you were listing four skippable LIs without implying the LGB ones were always the skippable ones before? If so, nevermind this. lol

[Giggles_Manically]

Ugh the "main" romances.

 

Where people tried making it seem like those romances were SO MUCH BETTER because of their tie into the story.

People saying Morrigan was the best romance cause of the DR and stuff.

People saying Liara was the best romance cause of the Shadow Broker stuff.

 

I never even enjoyed the "main" romances people claimed were so great.

Having strong story ties is cool, but not a requirement for me.

[JadePrince]

Maybe it's because he's never been my LI choice, but I never considered Fenris to be "the gay one" of the group. Not any more so than Anders. I mean, I can kind of see Isabela, since she's obviously bi. Anders is the one of the two that actually had a history with men. I do think Fenris got the least amount of content, though, and he's the one that adds the least to the actual story. You miss almost nothing in DA2 by not picking up Fenris. Not picking up Isabela changes a lot, I think. 

 

Or did I just totally misunderstand that and you were listing four skippable LIs without implying the LGB ones were always the skippable ones before? If so, nevermind this. lol

 

Oh no no, I don't think of Fenris as 'the gay one', I was mostly just listing skippable LIs (though it IS true that neither of the canonly straight LIs in Origins are skippable, but both of the bi characters are). Is it possible evidence of Alistair and Morrigan's more "main romance" status that neither of them are skippable? I guess I don't want ANYone to be skippable, but PARTICULARLY I don't want the LGB ones to be skippable because that feels weird and like they're once again just giving straight guys who think it's 'icky' a way out of having to experience it. Also if the LGB companions are skippable, then it's more likely that the straight characters are the plot central ones so... hopefully DA:I will avoid that.

[Fiery Phoenix]

1. David wrote one of the romances. I'd be more interested in Mary's position on Merril's sexuality or Sheryl's thoughts on Isabela's sexuality than David's.

Hence why I said it's not proof of anything.
 

2. Everyone and their brother remembers David saying something, which always supports their position, but they don't have a link to it. Most of the time they're remembering something another poster claimed David said or misread his post.

It was David's own words in a thread where this particular issue was brought up. I would dig it out if I could, but I neither remember where nor when I read it. Sorry.

[pallascedar]

He mentions at least three past female lovers (the assassin, the lady who he slept with and then she fell out of the carriage and Isabela).  He also flirts with Morrigan, Leliana, and (of course) Wynne and her magical bosom.  That's just off the top of my head.  I know that there are others.

 

On the other hand, he mentions the Prince who was naked when he killed him and he flirts with Alistair (and Oghren, but that's clearly trolling).    It's pretty skewed.

Zevran was definitely more than friends with Taliesen as well.