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[aTigerslunch]

he'd be all "Hi, my name is Jack, *snip*

The moment I saw this I thought in my head.

"Jack, Captain Jack Sparrow."

[Hellion Rex]

This once again makes me wonder why the romances are gander gated and not race gated. I mean, the Dalish don't really care if you sleep with a male or female but "like most cultures" they don't approve of interracial unions and the Dalish elf involved can be kicked out of the clan. 

Well, in some ways, since we have four possible races in this installment, race gating could be just as restricting.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'm not saying that this is wrong, but there is only one source here. It's possible that marriages aren't arranged but just highly encouraged among elves of separate clans (they do meet every 10 or so years, right?).

 

Again, I'm operating under the assumption that any tiny culture needs to actively avoid inbreeding in order to survive. Maybe inbreeding magically isn't a problem in Thedas...or maybe it's just a good explanation for why some of the clans we've seen have been so full of crazy people.

 

I know that devs have said the wiki is a good source, but that doesn't mean it's right on everything.

I doubt the Dalish have arranged marriages, because we haven't ever seen anything implying they have them. There was no mention of them in the Dalish Origin, but there was for city elves. When you help the young guy with his hunting to impress the girl, it clearly demonstrates that she's fully independent in her choice to marry him or someone else, if she chooses. All the representations of Dalish imply they don't do arranged marriages. It's very possible that elves sometimes move between clans, but it's probably not because they're being forced into a specific marriage. Arranged marriage isn't the only way to avoid inbreeding. 

[Mockingword]

A hope for f/f romances: Nothing like the Anders romance.

I get that some people love him, but when you have a character who straight-up tries to murder a helpless girl because he's momentarily delusional, I think that's sort of a kick to the head to anyone who's fallen for him. I know people love the Andersmance but I don't ever want to romance a female character and only for her become unhinged, lose control of herself, and become a constant danger to people around her.

But... you already like Cassandra, don't you?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, in some ways, since we have four possible races in this installment, race gating could be just as restricting.

Yes, but at least then it makes a lot of sense due to the lore. 

[SurelyForth]

There are other ways to contribute to the growth and stability of ones clan/tribe than procreation (like hunting so pregnant women have healthy babies and those healthy babies survive infancy/childhood). If the Dalish were that obsessed with procreation, then the Mahariel Warden's adoptive mother probably would have been forced to remarry and have her own child. 

[oceanicsurvivor]

Well, in some ways, since we have four possible races in this installment, race gating could be just as restricting.

I don't think every character would end up race gated. Kelly in Mass Effect for instance, expresses a degree of interest in various alien races. So, I think that having one or two that were gated would be interesting, if it was lore specific, and then others/majority who don't care.

 

Frankly I'm half convinced that all the LI's will be race gated against the Qunari Inquisitors.   Even with four races to choose from, they feel like the outsider (personally), and I'm wondering if and how the companions will respond to that.

[Deviija]

I also imagine that any society whose entire culture is based around the continuation of their race and the passing on of their culture would likely be averse to people forming permanent bonds that don't result in the production of children.

 

Even if a culture is focused on the continuation of their "kind," it doesn't automagically mean heterosexual coupling and marrying and heteronormativity.  Moreso in a fantasy world where magic and divine intervention and demon pacts are rampant.  Heck, a culture where everyone is same-sex bonded couples can carry on the continuation of their "kind" and have children.  Men can donate their "lineage" to women without ever needing to set foot in a bedroom.    

[pallascedar]

I doubt the Dalish have arranged marriages, because we haven't ever seen anything implying they have them. There was no mention of them in the Dalish Origin, but there was for city elves. When you help the young guy with his hunting to impress the girl, it clearly demonstrates that she's fully independent in her choice to marry him or someone else, if she chooses. All the representations of Dalish imply they don't do arranged marriages. It's very possible that elves sometimes move between clans, but it's probably not because they're being forced into a specific marriage. Arranged marriage isn't the only way to avoid inbreeding. 

 

You're probably right. I for some reason remember that it was implied somewhere that the Dalish Warden's father was in an arranged marriage, but chances are I misremember.

 

But again, we really don't actually know anything about Dalish marriage customs besides what we see from Cammen and Gheyna. Until we get more actual evidence regular orchestrated "trading" of clan members (whether through arranged marriage or just simple migration) is the only way that it makes sense to me that the Dalish can continue to survive.

[Mockingword]

Lol. Maybe Orlais has a 'lineage' bank.

 

"Here's your silver goblet, sir. If you have any trouble, we also provide risque parchments to suit a variety of tastes."

 

"Do you have Elves! Elves! Elves!?"

[In Exile]

True. For example I'm currently playing a Dwarf in Origins so I can see why the Dwarves frown on homosexuality since it isn't practical. They need as many people as possible to keep their numbers up against the constant Darkspawn threat. 

 

Right. But I do agree with Devija that this doesn't mean a heretornormative culture. I just happen to think that the Dalish (for once) could some some inter-clan variability on this, with different groups believing wholly different things about S/S romances. 

[Maria Caliban]

But... you already like Cassandra, don't you?

D:

Not funny.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

In the sexuality and marriage section of the wiki I posted it says polyamory is the norm for dwarves. They aren't monogamous on average, anyway, so I doubt it matters if they slip in a same sex partner as long as they're breeding with someone. Preferably someone of a higher caste.   

[aTigerslunch]

Even if a culture is focused on the continuation of their "kind," it doesn't automagically mean heterosexual coupling and marrying and heteronormativity. Moreso in a fantasy world where magic and divine intervention and demon pacts are rampant. Heck, a culture where everyone is same-sex bonded couples can carry on the continuation of their "kind" and have children. Men can donate their "lineage" to women without ever needing to set foot in a bedroom.

Actually, with magic wont need to go that far. Shapeshift or such magics could solve s/s deals. Its farfetched I know but may not be impossible.

Neverwinter Nights module named Demon part of a series and its the last one used LI's mother to allow pregnancy between the two females.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Actually, with magic wont need to go that far. Shapeshift or such magics could solve s/s deals. Its farfetched I know but may not be impossible.

Just because you can turn from a man into a woman doesn't mean you have all the parts needed for child bearing.

[pallascedar]

Even if a culture is focused on the continuation of their "kind," it doesn't automagically mean heterosexual coupling and marrying and heteronormativity.  Moreso in a fantasy world where magic and divine intervention and demon pacts are rampant.  Heck, a culture where everyone is same-sex bonded couples can carry on the continuation of their "kind" and have children.  Men can donate their "lineage" to women without ever needing to set foot in a bedroom.    

 

This is true: I was interested in presenting reasons why certain cultures might be less accepting of same sex relationships than others that we see in Thedas, not saying that they are. We know very little about Dalish culture except what we know from Merrill. I can certainly imagine that because clans are built like a giant family that they would be especially accepting of all facets of their brothers and sisters. But I can also imagine that a small insulated culture that is afraid of dying out would look down on same-sex relationships.

 

For me, it's all about a desire to understand this world a little better. If a gay Dalish is introduced and her clan was totally cool with it then I'd think "Well neat, that answered a wonder I had about the Dalish." Same if they weren't cool with it. 

[In Exile]

In the sexuality and marriage section of the wiki I posted it says polyamory is the norm for dwarves. They aren't monogamous on average, anyway, so I doubt it matters if they slip in a same sex partner as long as they're breeding with someone. Preferably someone of a higher caste.   

 

Had no idea dwarves were poly. Good to know. 

[Deviija]

Lol. Maybe Orlais has a 'lineage' bank.

 

"Here's your silver goblet, sir. If you have any trouble, we also provide risque parchments to suit a variety of tastes."

 

"Do you have Elves! Elves! Elves!?"

 

Risque parchments are so archaic.  This isn't the Exalted age!  Intricate magical illusions only please, we are in 9:40 Dragon, okay.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Had no idea dwarves were poly. Good to know. 

Oh yeah, remember all the noble hunters? If any of them get pregnant with a son, they are raised to Noble Caste as a concubine for the male dwarf. 

[aTigerslunch]

Just because you can turn from a man into a woman doesn't mean you have all the parts needed for child bearing.

True. Just thought maybe that could be an aid against all the repopulate for the species talk. I find that its pretty degrading, Ice Age actually discussed it.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Had no idea dwarves were poly. Good to know. 

It seems like, mostly, the idea is that they culturally feel like the higher caste men need to breed with as many women as possible to try to produce more noble dwarves. The way dwarves decide caste is by the same sex parent. That means a noble man can breed with any dwarven woman and all sons produced will be noble dwarves to fill their house with. Thus, it's not beneficial for them to commit to one woman. It's better to shotgun your genes around and hope for as many sons as possible. The wiki talks about lower caste women volunteering to try to produce noble sons to improve their lot in life. So, it seems like keeping multiple partners or just having sex to try to make a baby are valid options for dwarves.    

[Chari]

From what I understood from the Dalish origin, they don't force marriages but strongly encourage couples capable of having children. Like f!Mahariel and Tamlen. Everyone in clan saw the chemistry and many hoped that one day they would get bonded
I think while homosexual couples aren't a taboo, it is very likely parents try to bring up kids to be willing to have kids. Maybe even slightly discouraging them from the same sex relationship
We are yet to see any Dalish homosexual couple, most were heterosexual. Merrill is an outcast, so I ain't sure she is a good example

[Hellion Rex]

BOW BEFORE THE ALMIGHTY STACHE!!!!!

 

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[jlb524]

From what I understood from the Dalish origin, they don't force marriages but strongly encourage couples capable of having children. Like f!Mahariel and Tamlen. Everyone in clan saw the chemistry and many hoped that one day they would get bonded

 

When did this happen?

 

I never got that feeling.

[Chari]

When did this happen?

I never got that feeling.

Flirt with Tamlen as f!Mahariel and later talk to her step-mother