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[LordofOrzammar]

As a stright, male, white, conservative gamer...I actually have zero problem with the all bi-love interest thing they did in DA2. I always put myself in the shoes of the others, "How would I feel if Isabella was lesbian only?" I'm hetro, I want a hetro romance, other people aren't, they want a romance that fits their sexuality, with avalible characters.

 

Despite how some people complained, I thought it was a good system, that left plenty of room for each person playing their own personal copy of the game to interpret how they saw an NPC's sexuality. It was a good system.

 

With the announcment that they're going to not all Bi-LI's (EDIT-I reread the tweet and am no longer convinced it was about Companions, the word used was characters, see my next post) I'm not sure what I think. On one hand it's a more realistic approach, but on the other, I'm nervous, because most people are going to be a little dissapointed in some way when the list somes out. It's not a make or break for me, but all the same, that's my thoughts on the matter.

[Maria Caliban]

Agreed.  There is, literally, no way to please all of us.

Heroin injections, though they'd need to be appropriately adjusted for body size and prior experience.

[BubbleDncr]

No, it's not wrong, and if I had a say in romance options, everyone would be available for each gender. I don't necessarily want them to be bisexual by nature. There are so many possibilities, for example characters who are openly bi, or those who are playersexual or companions who are actually straight and still fall in love with the gay main character after a great deal of charming persuation and time spent together. I understand why people don't like this idea, but I'd still prefer a greater amount of romance options for everyone ...

 

To me, it kind of makes sense with how they're setting up the rest of the game, to have limited options and defined sexualities for the LI's. They've said before that you won't be able to do everything in a single playthrough because certain choices you make in game will unlock or lock certain areas and quests from you for the rest of the game.

 

So with that being one of the themes they're building their game upon, it makes sense that based on what gender you choose to play as, certain LI's will be available or unavailable to you.

[Inquisitor Julianos]

Even if there is not an option for a sexual connection, a Romance can still happen, it would just be platonic. I personally would not want to draw any of the characters themselves out of their comfort zone, the idea bioware and the staff are trying to get accross is: "Hey these are people as well and we want you to care about them, their not G I Joe's that we put in your sandbox so you have something to play with" i think if someone tried to make Cassandra go out of her comfort zone, she would more than likely gauntlet smack, or headbutt you, she seems like that would be her reaction. The point i am trying to make is that i dont think everyone of the companions should be open to all genders because not everyone is open to that in a realistic setting. Bubble said it best, and alot simpler.

[LordofOrzammar]

Also, as an aside, re-reading the tweet, Mark Darrah did say "characters" rather than "Companions" we have no indication what that means for LI's and their sexuality. After all, Origins and DA2 both had characters of every sexuality, not nessessarily companions. Wade and Herren were gay characters, for example.

So, before I go into full blown panic mode regarding, "CAN I LOVE SERA AS A HETRO?" I'm going to wait for more details. They will give comfirmation at some point and then speculation can cease.

[wright1978]

The realism crowd will no doubt be complaining about character a being attracted to dwarves, elves, humans and qunari.
I found playersexuality efficient in giving inclusivity, sufficient levels of companion romance choice and concentrated levels of content per li. If the new system fails to provide these it will likely infringe on my enjoyment of the game.

[Inquisitor Julianos]

Also, as an aside, re-reading the tweet, Mark Darrah did say "characters" rather than "Companions" we have no indication what that means for LI's and their sexuality. After all, Origins and DA2 both had characters of every sexuality, not nessessarily companions. Wade and Herren were gay characters, for example.

So, before I go into full blown panic mode regarding, "CAN I LOVE SERA AS A HETRO?" I'm going to wait for more details. They will give comfirmation at some point and then speculation can cease.

Good to have noted, with that in mind "Scribbles" may be a Bi-LI, she isnt necessarily a companion herself but she may be romancable. so taking that into consideration there may be alot of love interests we arent aware of, because everyone is concerning themselves with companions.

[Mathias]

Unfortunately I think DA2 spoiled people with the "all bi" thing. I personally really disliked it and wish the characters had their own sexual identity, instead of being written to satisfy everyone. I think it's perfectly fine to have a bi character here or there, but not everyone. It comes across as pandering and breaks immersion for me. Glad they're getting away from it. They did it in Mass Effect 3, and it worked fine. I know tons of guys including myself that wanted to Run a Train on Traynor, but couldn't cause she was gay. But it didn't ruin the game for people.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Unfortunately I think DA2 spoiled people with the "all bi" thing. I personally really disliked it and wish the characters had their own sexual identity, instead of being written to satisfy everyone. I think it's perfectly fine to have a bi character here or there, but not everyone. It comes across as pandering and breaks immersion for me. Glad they're getting away from it. They did it in Mass Effect 3, and it worked fine.

Mass Effect 3 LI List(only counting characters that unlock achievement)

 

Straight Male

Ashley Williams

Liara T'Soni

Miranda Lawson 

Tali'Zorah vas Normandy

Jack

Kelly Chambers

 

Straight Female

Kaidan Alenko

Garrus Vakarian

 

Gay Male

Steve Cortez

Kaidan Alenko

 

Gay Female

Liara T'Soni

Samantha Traynor

Kelly Chambers

 

Oh yeah, Mass Effect 3 worked fine in equal LI treatment.

[LiaraShepard]

Unfortunately I think DA2 spoiled people with the "all bi" thing. I personally really disliked it and wish the characters had their own sexual identity, instead of being written to satisfy everyone. I think it's perfectly fine to have a bi character here or there, but not everyone. It comes across as pandering and breaks immersion for me. Glad they're getting away from it. They did it in Mass Effect 3, and it worked fine. I know tons of guys including myself that wanted to Run a Train on Traynor, but couldn't cause she was gay. But it didn't ruin the game for people.

 

it wasn't perfectly implemented yet. The gay and lesbian characters were only NPC's. The game made a good start to include homosexual characters, but in future games, it will only be fine if those characters have the same importance as the straight ones. Otherwise it'll be not fair at all.

[Inquisitor Julianos]

You cant please everyone with Numbers, it will be the characters themselves that make you love them, not how many there will be. will you not love the Bi or Gay Characters simply because the Straight characters out number them? No your going to love them for who they are, and who the straight characters are. Numbers dont mean anything if the story turns out to be amazing.

[BubbleDncr]

it wasn't perfectly implemented yet. The gay and lesbian characters were only NPC's. The game made a good start to include homosexual characters, but in future games, it will only be fine if those characters have the same importance as the straight ones. Otherwise it'll be not fair at all.

 

This is why I'm willing to think that the bi and gay LI will be companions, and the straight ones will be the NPC's. It's the only way I see it to be fair to both genders, and to give everyone the opportunity to romance the "important LI's." And it just seems like the Dragon Age writers are more willing to stick it to their straight fans than the ME team was.

 

I really hope I'm right.

[WildOrchid]

Gay Female

Liara T'Soni

Samantha Traynor

Kelly Chambers

 

 

Fixed. I don't consider Kelly a romance at all. She was just there for the fishes.

 

Also yay, another one who considers Mass Effect 3 way the 'best' way!! If you are a hetero male of course.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

This is why I'm willing to think that the bi and gay LI will be companions, and the straight ones will be the NPC's. It's the only way I see it to be fair to both genders, and to give everyone the opportunity to romance the "important LI's." And it just seems like the Dragon Age writers are more willing to stick it to their straight fans than the ME team was.

 

I really hope I'm right.

The only way to have it fair would be if the two Bisexual LI were the NPCs. That way everyone has 1 companion and 1 LI to choose from at least. 

[LordofOrzammar]

This is why I'm willing to think that the bi and gay LI will be companions, and the straight ones will be the NPC's. It's the only way I see it to be fair to both genders, and to give everyone the opportunity to romance the "important LI's." And it just seems like the Dragon Age writers are more willing to stick it to their straight fans than the ME team was.

 

I really hope I'm right.

 

Personally, I hope the devs don't stick it to anyone, stright or gay. (Maybe it's because I am a straight fan and agree that I'm more likely to get it stuck too *chuckle*) But seriously, we still don't know what's what yet. I'm sure the devs wlll strighten us out soon enough.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Fixed. I don't consider Kelly a romance at all. She was just there for the fishes.

 

Also yay, another one who considers Mass Effect 3 way the 'best' way!! If you are a hetero male of course.

In Mass Effect 3, she grants you the Paramour achievement, so she counts. 

[Captain_Navarro]

This is why I'm willing to think that the bi and gay LI will be companions, and the straight ones will be the NPC's. It's the only way I see it to be fair to both genders, and to give everyone the opportunity to romance the "important LI's." And it just seems like the Dragon Age writers are more willing to stick it to their straight fans than the ME team was.

I really hope I'm right.

But then it becomes less fair to straight players. If anything, the NPC romances should be the bi ones.

I personally wish every romance was open to everyone, but alas, it will never happen...

[WildOrchid]

In Mass Effect 3, she grants you the Paramour achievement, so she counts. 

 

IMO, 'achievements' don't count. It's the content that counts and she hardly had any. Thane had more romance content than her.

 

 

 

 

 

Edit, if the npc's do end up bisexual that could mean Cass may end up hetero only. Noooo.

[BubbleDncr]

The only way to have it fair would be if the two Bisexual LI were the NPCs. That way everyone has 1 companion and 1 LI to choose from at least. 

 

If they make every LI "important to the plot," yes. But I honestly feel gay fans lost out on not being able to romance Morrigan or Alistair in DA:O, just because their romances had much greater effects on the main story, and vice versa. I think it's an important enough experience that, unless (for the first time ever), they make every single companion romance important to the main plot, that the best thing they could do it make those "important" LI's bi. Otherwise, either straight or gay characters will miss out.

 

Personally, I hope the devs don't stick it to anyone, stright or gay. (Maybe it's because I am a straight fan and agree that I'm more likely to get it stuck too *chuckle*) But seriously, we still don't know what's what yet. I'm sure the devs wlll strighten us out soon enough.

 

I'm a straight fan as well, who yesterday was sqee-ing over DHMG, until I realized there's a chance he could be gay and unavailable to me. But I appreciate the complexity that could add to my relationships with all my companions.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

IMO, 'achievements' don't count. It's the content that counts and she hardly had any. Thane had more romance content than her.

That's fine, but my list was all the people who grant the Paramour achievement.

[Milan92]

IMO, 'achievements' don't count. It's the content that counts and she hardly had any. Thane had more romance content than her.

 

 

 

 

 

Edit, if the npc's do end up bisexual that could mean Cass may end up hetero only. Noooo.

 

Hence why all the Thane fans were so pissed off. They didn't even get the achievement.

[Inquisitor Julianos]

Kelly Chambers counts as a Romance, i was heart broken when i could not romance her but that didnt stop me from loving her any less as a character. Like Ashley, i broke things off with her in ME2 but that didnt stop me from loving her any less than when i did in ME1, or in ME2, and when three came about i still loved her. I think everyone will be pleased, i dont think the Bi love interests will be all NPC's, if DHMG is a Gay companion and i wont be able to romance him, it doesnt mean i wont love him any less, just as if i cannot romance any other characters because i am straight and they are not. Ill still love them, and get angry if their threatened and go off on my wild berserker rages of killing everything that threatens them with the unbridaled fury of an Archdemon.

[wright1978]

The only way to have it fair would be if the two Bisexual LI were the NPCs. That way everyone has 1 companion and 1 LI to choose from at least.

So basically no choice for anyone in regards of companion romances, that would be sickening.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So basically no choice for anyone in regards of companion romances, that would be sickening.

But at least it is fair. I hate this set sexuality thing too, but we have to think how it will be utilized.

[Grieving Natashina]

So basically no choice for anyone in regards of companion romances, that would be sickening.

It would be the bisexual version of the yawn-tastic NPC romances of Neverwinter Nights.  

 

<sarcasm> I will always be compelled by Aribeth's "deep" romance elements and...what's-his-name that hit (quoting DG here) a "flat line with female fans."  

 

 I didn't even know he was romancable until very recently and I played NWN a lot.