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#8176
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I really liked the fact that Garrus and Tali got together if neither was romanced, and I'd like to see Inquisition do something similar. It doesn't have to be with the LI's per se, but I wouldn't mind if it was. You cant hold a monopoly over someone you aren't even in a relationship with. 

 

 
 

 

I don't see how you can declare a relationship between two people who aren't yourself and aren't related to be incestuous. A relationship between two non-related people would only be incestuous if they felt a strong familial bond with each other, which evidently Tali and Garrus do not since they have no qualms starting a romance. 

 

You can't decide how other people view their own relationships. 

I think that is what she IS arguing. Although I don't agree with that. 



#8177
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I really liked the fact that Garrus and Tali got together if neither was romanced, and I'd like to see Inquisition do something similar. It doesn't have to be with the LI's per se, but I wouldn't mind if it was. You cant hold a monopoly over someone you aren't even in a relationship with. 

 

 
 

 

I don't see how you can declare a relationship between two people who aren't yourself and aren't related to be incestuous. A relationship between two non-related people would only be incestuous if they felt a strong familial bond with each other, which evidently Tali and Garrus do not since they have no qualms starting a romance. 

 

You can't decide how other people view their own relationships. 

 

When did she ever do that? She just decided how she views the relationships of other people.

 

Maria could probably express it a bit better, but one of the aspects associated with incestuous relationships is that they can be viewed as the participants struggling to (and failing) to expand their social interactions beyond an already established comfort zone. It's settling for what's already comfortable, rather than expanding past the comfort zone and making new bonds. Incest is often associated with insular people and groups who generally don't go outside of the group, and not simply because of the taboo associated with it. It's intimacy of first resort, basically.

 

In this case, it's relevant to see how Tali and Garrus came to know each other, and to think of how they would think of each other if either was in a relationship with Shepard.

 

In the former, it's relevant that the two become acquaintanceship and close not through their own initiative, but by mutually following in Shepard's wake. Their meetings, most of their interactions, and their history of coexistence are dominated by the lens of Shepard. These aren't two people who encountered eachother by chance or common pause or ally and decided to stick together as individuals later- they were brought together by someone who created a quasi-family unit that would disentigrate without them. (See- ME2 time skip.)

 

Which leads to the later, for both of them, is that Shepard pretty much becomes mutual family. Vas Normandy alone should speak for itself, but both characters have Shepard depicted as close or closer than their actual family.  Garrus and the widely viewed bro-relationship. In the context of a Band of Brothers sort of motif. It's obviously going to be speculation and interpretation, but if Garrus or Tali were already committed I think it's fair to say that they (and many players) would say they were like family and would view eachother as such. That they would/could be viewed as family if one were in a relationship with Shepard, that neither seeks an outside relationship, and that they do end up together at the end without Shepard doesn't help.

 

I'm pretty sure it wasn't deliberate by the writers, but I can see where Maria is coming from.



#8178
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#8179
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Lmao Elu, with every new Dorian art you change your avi. We don't recognize you anymore. :P



#8180
Hellion Rex

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Lmao Elu, with every new Dorian art you change your avi. We don't recognize you anymore. :P

He just so perfect...I want him so much!
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#8181
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Uh, vague spoilers for the SWTOR Bounty Hunter companions below. 

 

Spoiler

 

I'm not opposed to it in DAI, but it would need to be well done and something that wouldn't totally screw over players who were unfamiliar that certain content would become unavailable to them at certain points in the story.

I knew about this and was super careful to bag myself Torian before she even got a chance lol



#8182
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He just so perfect...I want him so much!

 

Then leave the Grey Warden alone :P



#8183
Hellion Rex

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Then leave the Grey Warden alone :P

But I want him too
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#8184
Hanako Ikezawa

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He just so perfect...I want him so much!

But you don't know anything about him. 


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#8185
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He just so perfect...I want him so much!

 

I feel like that about Cass.

And Viv. Any of those two tbh.


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#8187
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I think Cassandra's face is a bit off in that piece, but I love the Grey Warden art.



#8188
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I said that Tali and Garrus were incestuous and that I believe Fenris hooks up with Isabela because he's one of four women he knows. You replied that he seemed to care about her and they were friends with benefits.

I expect Fenris cares about Isabela and Tali cares about Garrus, but that has nothing to do with that I dislike about these pairings.

 

Sorry about that then. I was only talking about Fenris and Isabela rather than responding to your entire argument. My mistake: I'll respond to your enitre argument now :).

 

If I'm correct, your reason for thinking that Tali+Garrus is incestuous is the idea that Tali has adopted the Normandy as her family. While I understand, I think it's projecting human ideas on the the idea of "family" that has less to do with how Tali meant the word. I find it very unlikely that everyone on a Quarian ship is closely genetically related to each other, and I find it equally unlikely that Quarian pairings never occur within the populous of their own ship.

 

While I admit I've never played either Tali or Garrus' romance (I don't really see a reason to play straight characters...) I feel like Tali+Garrus makes way more sense than either of them+Shepard with that whole different amino acids things. (It's ridiculous by the way, while it is true that we can't extract any nutrition from right-handed sugars or amino acids, they almost probably wouldn't kill us. Example - Right handed Carvone smells like Spearmint, left handed it smells like Carraway, both are harmless. I've also seen some people suggesting we should use right-handed sugar as sweetener because it still tastes sweet, but we're incapable of digesting it.)

 

Sorry tangent, anyways, Tali and Garrus would have probably regularly shared meals, since they're the only people on the ship with right handed chirality. I guess it was easy to miss, but they flirted over intercom for pretty much the whole course of the third game. It's not a perfect romance, there's an element of desperation to it. I doubt they would have hooked up if the end of the world wasn't happening. But it was happening, and I think their romance makes sense in that context.

 

Sorry that I'm longwinded, but I'll be shorter for Fenris and Isabela. My issue with your argument "She's the only woman he knows" is that it sort of implies to me that Fenris would have sought out sex regardless and that Isabela just happened to be the best candidate, which I just don't think fits in with his character. You could argue that the literary decision to pair Isabela and Fenris was just a result of the fact that they were the only compatible people in the group (though I will still head-cannon that GW Carver and Merrill eloped after the whole Meredith fiasco) and was largely a poor writing decision, and I wouldn't have anything to argue. I'd disagree, but you're certainly entitled to your opinion.



#8189
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Totally made Iron Bull better looking than in the screenshots so far, imo.  Also, his proportions are nicer -- no more super extreme tiny head on a trailer body going on.  I'd do his sidequest.   B)


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#8190
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Man I love the iron bull but I have to wonder why his headshape is so different from the qunari we've seen already? Yeah ok they have hair but you'd still be able to tell their heads were shaped under that beneath their hair.

 

Unless his mom was mildly tainted and he's partway to becoming an ogre or something.



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Totally made Iron Bull better looking than in the screenshots so far, imo.  Also, his proportions are nicer -- no more super extreme tiny head on a trailer body going on.  I'd do his sidequest.   B)

 

I agree; he's pretty hot here! :D But to be honest, EVERYONE so far (with possible exception of Cass, Viv, and Varric) looks better in fanart than in-game. I'm hoping they're are only half-finished in-game and will look better once the game is released.



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Jesus, the guy is so talented, I love his style.


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#8193
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Jesus, the guy is so talented, I love his style.

I know right?
 



#8194
Lebanese Dude

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I agree; he's pretty hot here! :D But to be honest, EVERYONE so far (with possible exception of Cass, Viv, and Varric) looks better in fanart than in-game. I'm hoping they're are only half-finished in-game and will look better once the game is released.

 

If DHMG looks half as good as the fan art in my avi, I'll emit a cacophony of manly rainbow squees.


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#8195
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@pallascedar: In defense of my OTP, the romance rolls around when Shepard is alone and surrounded by strangers or enemies, with Garrus/Tali the only people s/he's able to trust. It's not too unlikely that Shep would want comfort in that situation, and being unable to trust anyone else, would turn to his/her old friends.

 

Besides, Garrus and Tali's only prior interactions were semi-hostile in the previous two games, so them hooking up definitely caught me by surprise.



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But to be honest, EVERYONE so far (with possible exception of Cass, Viv, and Varric) looks better in fanart than in-game. I'm hoping they're are only half-finished in-game and will look better once the game is released.

 

I'd more or less agree with that.  I think it is reasonable to hope there is more texturing and redesigning work to be done on characters.  It was/is still fairly early (5+ months?).  DA:O tweaks and redesigns were still going on 6 months out, from what I remember.



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That art is insanely impressive, i will never stop getting amazed by what people actually can do. Talent and some serious hard work, can't help but love it!



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It seems that our thread has been looking ahead, what about looking behind?

 

How do you think the 9 romances that came before will be referenced in DAI?

 

Leliana, Alistair, Zevran, Morrigan, Merrill, Isabela, Fenris, Anders, Sebastian all had romances (Isabela was also an option in DAO).

I mean at best we can hope for a line referencing it.

 

Like Isabela bragging about having slept with both the queen and king of Fereldan.



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It seems that our thread has been looking ahead, what about looking behind?

 

How do you think the 9 romances that came before will be referenced in DAI?

 

Leliana, Alistair, Zevran, Morrigan, Merrill, Isabela, Fenris, Anders, Sebastian all had romances (Isabela was also an option in DAO).

I mean at best we can hope for a line referencing it.

 

Like Isabela bragging about having slept with both the queen and king of Fereldan.

 

I think it's strange for side characters to talk about their (ex-)partners uninvited with a total stranger. Isabella's line fits because she's a braggart who'd talk about her sexual conquests. Hawke can also ask Leliana about the Warden, but that's because she wrote songs about it. 



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If DHMG looks half as good as the fan art in my avi, I'll emit a cacophony of manly rainbow squees.

 

You and me both, my friend.


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