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Deviija

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I pass on cheating LIs.  I've already seen what that looks like from BioWare and it was terrible.  Yes, DA is a different writing team and I like them and have faith in them greatly, but I'm not interested in giving another plot like that a chance.  At least, definitely not for any male LIs and lesbian LIs.

 

Feel free to try it out with a straight dude's LI.  Throw in a dead spouse background for good measure.


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I would hate if they have companions cheat.



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I'm kinda creeped out by how many people want to kill cheating LIs :D

 

I think it's a fairly reasonable reaction to the situation, the want at least perhaps not going through with it.  Take real life for example, if you find out the person you love is cheating on you, unless you're an extremely passive individual you're likely to want to hurt them in some way.  Most people don't go through with it because they don't want to spend the rest of their lives in jail but many many people think it at first.  In game form, one can react accordingly and face no real consequences.

 

Personally, in game form, I'd more likely kill the companion that my LI cheated with as opposed to the LI, because sadly my Inquisitor will still be in love.

 

Though I do see that a cheating sub plot isn't the most liked idea here, I think perhaps having the PC and a companion both trying to court the same LI at the same time could play out interesting.  Perhaps they can have a friendly duel, where the PC leaves the companion a scar so that they remember that day.  20 years later that companion sets in motion a  chain of events that brings the realm to its knees.


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I pass on cheating LIs.  I've already seen what that looks like from BioWare and it was terrible.  Yes, DA is a different writing team and I like them and have faith in them greatly, but I'm not interested in giving another plot like that a chance.  At least, definitely not for any male LIs and lesbian LIs.

 

Feel free to try it out with a straight dude's LI.  Throw in a dead spouse background for good measure.

 

That's my preferred play style(straight male) so that's where the idea came from.  I wouldn't think they would write some sort of cheating subplot with the homosexual romances, since there isn't as many options.(Using past games here to judge that, but since we have no information it's impossible to say whose gay/straight or even a possible LI at this point)



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Feel free to try it out with a straight dude's LI.  Throw in a dead spouse background for good measure.

 

Sprinkle in some 'LI contracts incurable disease but is killed by an assassin before the end'.

 

Yes, this should be all in one character!


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If my LI is attracted to someone else, I'd like them to talk to me about it. I'd probably be okay with them acting on it but I wouldn't appreciate them going behind my back.
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I think it's a fairly reasonable reaction to the situation, the want at least perhaps not going through with it.  Take real life for example, if you find out the person you love is cheating on you, unless you're an extremely passive individual you're likely to want to hurt them in some way.  Most people don't go through with it because they don't want to spend the rest of their lives in jail but many many people think it at first.  In game form, one can react accordingly and face no real consequences.

 

Personally, in game form, I'd more likely kill the companion that my LI cheated with as opposed to the LI, because sadly my Inquisitor will still be in love.

 

There's a big difference between being upset and wanting to kill them.

 

It doesn't take passivity to let it go. He/she cheated on you. You either accept it or break up, hurting them can't change what happened. You might feel betrayed and disgusted, but it's far from something worth killing for. If I was under the Inquisitor's command and they pulled something like that with a companion, I'd question the wisdom of having them as a leader.


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I'm not particularly fond of "failing" options just for roleplaying one kind of character or another, and having a LI cheating on you would feel too much like a game over, like "you thought he/she was perfect for your PC, didn't you? well, too bad, you picked the cheater!"... Now, if you tell me every romance it's going to end bad, and you're just getting one kind of bad ending or another, that I might be able to deal with. I'd want them to compensate me with a incredibly happy ending though  :D


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I'm certainly all for having enough "real" in a game to really pull you in to the story and characters, but having to deal with cheating or talks about your love interest and their attraction to other companions or other such things like that is bringing just a bit too much of the real world into it. We've come a long way from the days of Anomen or Aarin Gend, and while there is always room to polish and improve romance, or even just friendship interactions, we've got to be happy with a line at some point.



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Something this made me think about: do you like romances being treated like an achievement? like you have to make them like you (an approval system), and maybe pick the appropriate answer in some dialogue (like hardenng Alistair to have the chance of become his "mistress") and things like that. 

 

I don't. I like to see differences depending on how you roleplay your PC but nothing else. Something like the rivalry/friendship system but without the punishment to neutrality that kind of takes romances again into "achievement" territory.



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Something this made me think about: do you like romances being treated like an achievement? like you have to make them like you (an approval system), and maybe pick the appropriate answer in some dialogue (like hardenng Alistair to have the chance of become his "mistress") and things like that. 

 

I don't. I like to see differences depending on how you roleplay your PC but nothing else. Something like the rivalry/friendship system but without the punishment to neutrality that kind of takes romances again into "achievement" territory.

 

I don't like hardening Lelianna and Alistair in DA:O - if I remember right, Alistair's depends on you picking the correct dialog option in 2 separate conversations for it to happen - but if you miss the first time, you're screwed. But there's so many things you can say at that point and all of them have role play appeal.

 

So if they go back to "hardening" companions, I think there should be multiple parts during the dialog where you can go down that path. Or better yet, throughout the game. I'd rather "harden" Alistair's personality just by making consistent roleplay/action decisions throughout the game and it be the result of following my example/how her views me, than by something I said to him one time.

 

The rivalry path in DA with Sebastian is kind of like that. You could say that rivalry Sebastian is "hardened."



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Maria Caliban

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There's a big difference between being upset and wanting to kill them.
 
It doesn't take passivity to let it go. He/she cheated on you. You either accept it or break up, hurting them can't change what happened. You might feel betrayed and disgusted, but it's far from something worth killing for. If I was under the Inquisitor's command and they pulled something like that with a companion, I'd question the wisdom of having them as a leader.


Sure it's worth killing for. It's an RPG; there is no right answer to a situation.

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Sure it's worth killing for. It's an RPG; there is no right answer to a situation.

 

I wasn't just referring to the game. Then again it's subjective. There is no "right" anywhere, you can always find a reason to kill someone. Still, it seems pretty silly to me to end someone's life because you don't like where he sticks his penis.



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I wasn't just referring to the game. Then again it's subjective. There is no "right" anywhere, you can always find a reason to kill someone. Still, it seems pretty silly to me to end someone's life because you don't like where he sticks his penis.

 

True we just need a kick in the nads option before telling them to GTFO :wub: (and stealing all their money and property).



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I wasn't just referring to the game. Then again it's subjective. There is no "right" anywhere, you can always find a reason to kill someone. Still, it seems pretty silly to me to end someone's life because you don't like where he sticks his penis.


Is it more or less silly than spending one's time on a message board for a game that's not going to come out for months, talking about the companions we hope to romance?
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True we just need a kick in the nads option before telling them to GTFO :wub: (and stealing all their money and property).

 

Their money and stuff is your money and stuff so you're just robbing yourself  :P


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Their money and stuff is your money and stuff so you're just robbing yourself  :P

 

D:

 

Welp I guess they can fight the enemies in their undies then :P



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I don't. I like to see differences depending on how you roleplay your PC but nothing else. Something like the rivalry/friendship system but without the punishment to neutrality that kind of takes romances again into "achievement" territory.

 

My only worry with "events" being what pushes a romance along is that we'll end up with characters liking you based on how "good" or "bad" you are. Those events maybe can start a line of conversation that allows the love interest to get to "know" you a bit better, and the choices in your dialogue makes or break the romance, but I really hate the idea that companions will go back to basing their "love" for you on just how you respond to a few events and not on actual interaction. It's so superficial and uninspired.



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I remember stripping those two generic pre-Wardens naked so I could sell their armor and gear. Then they were naked throughout the entire blood drinking ritual Duncan did. That was a bit odd.
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#8245
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I'm wondering if I'll even be interested in romance to begin with. I played DAO and DA2 many ways, but I eventually came to conclusion that I preferred my characters to be single. I don't see the appeal anymore, but I do hope to see it improved.



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I'm wondering if I'll even be interested in romance to begin with. I played DAO and DA2 many ways, but I eventually came to conclusion that I preferred my characters to be single. I don't see the appeal anymore, but I do hope to see it improved.

Out of curiosity, what did you not find appealing in the DA romances thus far?

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Out of curiosity, what did you not find appealing in the DA romances thus far?

 

I'm a straight male, so I have two DAO options, I guess? Leliana is too girly for my tastes. While Morrigan is just.. I don't know. I love to hate her. Not romance her. Don't see the appeal there. And I have no interest in softening her up or changing her either. I like the way she is. In the end, I just like playing something similar to the prebuilt Dwarf or Elf. The Dwarf sires some kids with the noble hunters, and the elf has her relationship with Tamlen. And I move on.

 

In DA2, Merrill reminds me too much of a girlfriend who had a drinking problem. I like Isabela (although the comic ruins it somewhat now), but I really don't like how the romance tied to the Tome of Koslun. I'd rather her get away with it. lol. I'm more interested in the implications of that than her romance.



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Is it more or less silly than spending one's time on a message board for a game that's not going to come out for months, talking about the companions we hope to romance?

 

Speculating is good and healthy. These forums are actually quite relaxing. Many people have too much time on their hands. And I've got many long and boring classes. Writing here makes a hell lot of sense :D

 

From an RP point of view, I find it rather immature and mentally unstable for anyone in the place of the Inquisitor, esteemed leader of a powerful organization, to get crazy over a cheating LI. From a player point of view, it could create fun scenarios and everyone can do what the **** they want in their game.



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True we just need a kick in the nads option before telling them to GTFO :wub: (and stealing all their money and property).

So you want to add divorce into the game?



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So you want to add divorce into the game?

 

Don't you have to be married first to get divorced :P