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#8451
kalasaurus

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AND SHE'S MY BABY. But she's still lying to you throughout the beginning of it and also does the running off after act 2 thing.

 

I want an LI where the people aren't the problem, it's all the crazy stuff around you. So when you do get the romance comment, it's like a wee vacation for your PC.

 

Right... I forgot about the Qunari artifact.

 

I agree with you, though.  The relationships/romanceable characters in Mass Effect were more stable and worked out pretty nicely.   Well, excluding the Virmire Survivors, but it had more to do with the situation and not the characters themselves.



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Right... I forgot about the Qunari artifact.

 

I agree with you, though.  The relationships/romanceable characters in Mass Effect were more stable and worked out pretty nicely.   Well, excluding the Virmire Survivors, but it had more to do with the situation and not the characters themselves.

 

I really need to get up on my Mass Effect playing. I'm just...so not any kind of ranged character player tho.

 

I do think the sort of romance I like to see in stories is sort of the direct contradiction of most story wisdom, since stories can run mostly on drama and I'm asking for minimal drama. But Robin Mckinley's books tend to be all worldbuilding middle with a lot of revelations crammed into the end, which works because the worlds and characters she creates are fascinating in and of themselves.

 

Meanwhile, Stephanie Meyer could be said to have similar tendencies in story structure to ms. Mckinley, but ignoring that I just don't like her writing style or the idealization of abusive dynamics in her books, her worlds and characters and then problems therein are just too close to our own to be able to make the mundane fascinating.



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So kind of like Shepard and Samantha? 

 

That's why I like that romance, and was able to get over the absurd shower scene, it was so drama less and heartwarming.


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#8454
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okay, ignore the companions in general. What would your ideal romance be?

 

 

Lots of snarking at each other and having each other's backs. Maybe some questioning of decisions but not in the trying to bite your head off some companions do. Maybe a bit of persuasion to see things their way without shutting down because the PC see things differently than them. Some give and take pretty much.

 

And I probably explained myself horribly.


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That's why I like that romance, and was able to get over the absurd shower scene, it was so drama less and heartwarming.

I agree. The Sam/Shepard romance was one of my favorites. I think the only ones that beat it are Tali's and Garrus'. 



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I agree. The Sam/Shepard romance was one of my favorites. I think the only ones that beat it are Tali's and Garrus'. 

 

Liara's romance is still my favorite, especially in LotSB and ME3, Then Samantha and Tali are ex aequo (I find that Samantha reveals herself more during the romance than Tali).

 

Still have to complete the Samara romance, though.



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Hanako Ikezawa

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Liara's romance is still my favorite, especially in LotSB and ME3, Then Samantha and Tali are ex aequo (I find that Samantha reveals herself more during the romance than Tali).

 

Still have to complete the Samara romance, though.

I wouldn't call Samara a 'romance' per say. 



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I meant, in Citadel



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Hanako Ikezawa

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I meant, in Citadel

So did I.



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Hanako Ikezawa

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I meant, in Citadel

So did I.



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okay, ignore the companions in general. What would your ideal romance be?

 

I've mentioned this before, but the Garrus romance is basically my platonic ideal of romances. There are romances and then there's the Garrusmance. Anyhow, what it boils down to is I want an always by your side, with you to the end, if we both go out in a blaze, remember I took the kill shot sort of love.

 

Most of the romances so far are about your PC supporting the LI, which isn't bad per se, but it also at times defined the nature of romance. I would like it to be a mutual one...your pc supports them, they support the pc.

 

I did love the scene with your LI & Hawke after Leandra died.

 

That sort of supportive friendship is why I ended up loving Aveline and Varric so much. It always felt like the relationships were equals. I want to have that sort of friendship translate into an eventual romance in the next game.

 

Oh, yeah. No excessive drama. No surprise betrayal or demon babies or breaking-up-for-good-reasons or any of that. I know it might sound a bit dull, but after the last few emotionally fraught romances, I could use something a little less exciting.


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okay, ignore the companions in general. What would your ideal romance be?

At least with a character with confidence that doesn't flop around uncertainty a ton, at Best all that and them being driven by something I can care about too.

 

Oh and actual progression.


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okay, ignore the companions in general. What would your ideal romance be?

 

I don't have one.

 

They just have to be female.

 

Bonus points for an elf.


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#8464
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okay, ignore the companions in general. What would your ideal romance be?

 

a strong man. One thing that ME and DA miss. I'd like a badass male who like badass women. be it phisical badassery or mental/cultural.

For now, all the male LI Bioware have given us where broken or depressed, or needed our PC support, or lenitive "love power". Sometime I feel my character was more a nurse than a lover in most of those relationship. The only time that at least this route "rewarded" with a supportive someone is Garrus.

 

Until now, only the female LI where characterially strong. Morrigan, Leliana, Isabela, Ashley, and so on where all indipendant strong women, with very few exception. I'd like the chance for a male character strong as them, to be a support for my PC, and not only her patient.


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I don't really have an ideal romance either. My favorite Bioware love interests are Liara and Viconia, and their romance arcs couldn't be any more different.

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Mentally disturbed softie.



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What I would want in a relationship is not necessarily what I would want in a story, and I don't really care how romances play out.



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I've mentioned this before, but the Garrus romance is basically my platonic ideal of romances. There are romances and then there's the Garrusmance. Anyhow, what it boils down to is I want an always by your side, with you to the end, if we both go out in a blaze, remember I took the kill shot sort of love.

 

Most of the romances so far are about your PC supporting the LI, which isn't bad per se, but it also at times defined the nature of romance. I would like it to be a mutual one...your pc supports them, they support the pc.

 

I did love the scene with your LI & Hawke after Leandra died.

 

That sort of supportive friendship is why I ended up loving Aveline and Varric so much. It always felt like the relationships were equals. I want to have that sort of friendship translate into an eventual romance in the next game.

 

Oh, yeah. No excessive drama. No surprise betrayal or demon babies or breaking-up-for-good-reasons or any of that. I know it might sound a bit dull, but after the last few emotionally fraught romances, I could use something a little less exciting.

 

Amen! I couldn't romance anyone in DA2 because all the LI had terrible implications involved. The only characters I genuinely liked in DA2 were not romancable. For once, I would like Inquisition to have an perfectly stable relationship with an companion or NPC without feeling horrible right after. There is charm in an average relationship.



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Ideal romance? Tsunderes. Ice queens that are big softies on the inside. And are f/f romances for once.

 

I want my lady to 'break' the ice.


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Amen! I couldn't romance anyone in DA2 because all the LI had terrible implications involved. The only characters I genuinely liked in DA2 were not romancable. For once, I would like Inquisition to have an perfectly stable relationship with an companion or NPC without feeling horrible right after. There is charm in an average relationship.

Agreed.  There is a lot to be said about an average relationship in extraordinary circumstances.

 

 

Ideal romance? Tsunderes. Ice queens that are big softies on the inside. And are f/f romances for once.

I get the sneaking suspicion that you have someone in mind.   ;)



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I'm so hoping Cass is available to femquizzies :crying:


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I get the sneaking suspicion that you have someone in mind.   ;)

 

 

You don't say....... :P

Actually i have 2 in mind that fit the whole tsundere/ice queen...

The problem is those kind of ladies are always m/f romances. :crying:



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I want an ice king, but I don't think I'll ever get one in Bioware games.


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Disclaimer: There will be some romances listed that I have issues with. This does not mean said romances don't have good parts, they just aren't for me.

 

- No therapy. It's alright for the LI to have problems, but for the sake of every kitten in the world, don't have them whine about it to me every sentence. I want to see both characters supporting and helping each other, whether it's Garrus's heartfelt "I'm here if you need me." or Isabela's angry "There are other people who care about you, you know." My character does not want to feel like everyone's Living Emotional Crutch; they want to be supported, too.

 

- Equality. I'm not fond of romances where one character has more power than the other. I don't mean "badassery" or physical or mental or space magic power, I mean "authority" power. If it's done right it can be sweet, yes, but done wrong and it feels like one of them is blackmailing or otherwise forcing the other to be with them. One of the problems I have with Quinn's romance in SWTOR is how "yes my lord, whatever you say my lord" he is to the female Warrior. I get that's how he is, but it just feels a little abusive to me.

 

- Mental stability. Especially after DAII and it's list of asylum escapees, excluding Isabela. I don't want Jaesa's "I planted a tracking device on you to see if you were cheating on me", I don't want Anders's "I'd drown us both in blood to keep you safe", I don't want Merrill's "You can't save me. No one can save me." Give me sane, mentally healthy people to romance, Bioware. Please.

 

- Good transition from friendship to love. This isn't a Bioware example, but Skyrim was pretty much "blatantly hit on someone -> get married -> leave them at home and see them once in a while." I want to know someone before I hook up with them, and that means dating. Since this isn't a dating sim, that actually translates befriending them first. Garrus and Tali especially did this well, as did Zevran. The ME1 romances seemed to move a little too fast, particularly Liara. Oh, and Jacob from ME2, whose every conversation with a remotely-Paragon Shepard involved her hitting on him (not to mention THE PRIIIIIIIIIIIIZE).

 

- Room for error. This goes back to Baldur's Gate and Jaheira's ridiculously easy-to-screw-up romance. Bioware has gotten a lot better at giving you room to roleplay...except for ME2, which gave you about one chance to start each characters' romance, and SWTOR, where if you miss too many flirts you get locked out, or in some cases just one flirt (notably Ashara and Corso).

 

- Plot importance. I don't mean the LI has to be central to the story, but contributing to it in some way. Remember regular KOTOR and how Bastila turned to the dark side? Or Morrigan's Dark Ritual, Alistair's claim to the throne, Aribeth's betrayal? Those were all good. They happened regardless of the romance, but both the player and the character were more invested in those events because of the romance (that said, this is probably the least of all my "wanted traits", since there have been several non-plot romances so far that were very good).

 

- And finally, an actual feel of romance! By this I mean, little things you can do with your LI that feel "couple-like", or people commenting on the romance. Origin's option to kiss your lover was good, as was the various party-banter about said romance. Everything in the Citadel DLC, Garrus's date with FemShep in vanilla 3, and the various flirt-packs for BG and NWN made by the community are also good examples. Pretty much every other Bioware game had the romance exist only in your conversations and the achievement.

 

 

 

Out of all Bioware romances, the Garrusmance has to be my favorite because it nails every single one of these (except possibly Room for Error, and that's only because you could only start the romance in 2). And because Garrus is just awesome in general.


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#8475
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okay, ignore the companions in general. What would your ideal romance be?

I don't have one ideal romance but I like many different ones. I have liked Warden/Alistair romance, Fenris/Hawke both friendship and rivalry. Maybe rivalry  one more. Shepard/Garrus, Shepard/Thane and Shepard/Kaidan. These are all the romances I have experienced :D However I have had some moments in those romances that I would have liked to be different. In ME3 when you see Thane for the first time I would have wanted Shepard to act differently so that she would have been more sympathetic towards Thane. But it was just one scene. Then there was a scene with Kaidan before the final battle which could have been better but overall the romance was good.

 

So what would my ideal romance be? I guess I have answered this question before but here are some which I would like to experience. Maybe they have changed :) I would like that my PC is quite young and that way also inexperienced in battlefield. She meets a lot older man who is experienced in battlefield. At first the man sees only that she is very young so she'll have to prove herself to him in battle before he can see that she is more than a young woman. The other one is a romance with a male elf servant :D It would be also nice to experience something like your PC would have to marry one man because shell'll just have to do it. She doesn't like the man and she doesn't like to marry him but when they get to know each other then they will fall in love. It would also be nice to experience something like your PC doesn't like one man and they are arguing and fighting all the time. Then for some reason they would have to pretend to be together and while doing that they fall in love.