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[ladyoflate]

I honestly hope their alot of detail and content put into romancing not just I'll give cassandra a gift and were a couple. I honestly want bioware to make the romances in dragon age inquisition as realistic and as fulfilling as possible. Like cassandra randomly coming to talk to me about our relationship or sera suggestion we go out somewhere I really want it to be interesting and realistic you know.

 

Same. Sometimes it seems like the romance only exist because they feel obligated to put them in and they dislike writing them. If that's the case, I'd rather not have them included. The romances themselves should be stories, not just obligations.

[warden6788]

Same. Sometimes it seems like the romance only exist because they feel obligated to put them in and they dislike writing them. If that's the case, I'd rather not have them included. The romances themselves should be stories, not just obligations.

Your right I hope they have a system where the party members themselves realistically approach you for romance or have them announce were together. Let's say im a blood mage specialization cassandra would hate the idea of me being with her but over time she'll look past me being a blood mage and decides to romance me you know. I just saying bunch of ideas but they should make it realistic.

[Ellyria]

yes, it would have really completed the Exile journey. But as the ending was, it seems there was more for the two of them to travel (maybe a Kotor 3?) so not real a problem. (as if a Kotor 3 with the Exile as protagonist would have came out, but it never happen  )

Spoiler

Atton died in my first run. (because I was an idiot) but his dialogue...it was the third time a vidogame made me cry. (first time: finishing FFIX. second time: finishing KH 1) not kidding. I had two fat tears running freely down my face. And I usually don't cry!

I liked the "happy ending" one too. It feels like they didn't needed to say anything to each other. Atton was here for the Exile. He would not leave her behind. Nothing to add. Nothing too fancy or overly sweet. I liked it. Incomplete, maybe. but satisfating.

The (almost) romance of Atton will be forever my most treasured in any videogame. stop. It felt natural, and sweet, and it evolved during the entire game   and It was really "star wars style" 

 

Spoiler

I did a save right before the Sion fight just so I could lose and see his death scene... yeah, had a HUGE lump in my throat then went and laid in bed with this blank look of sorrow and tears behind my eyes. Something broke inside me, I know it!   

 

I'll second that the Atton almost-romance was my favorite in any video game as well. (Might be a tad biased since Atton is my favorite video game character ever.  ) 

[kalasaurus]

Spoiler

I did a save right before the Sion fight just so I could lose and see his death scene... yeah, had a HUGE lump in my throat then went and laid in bed with this blank look of sorrow and tears behind my eyes. Something broke inside me, I know it!   

 

I'll second that the Atton almost-romance was my favorite in any video game as well. (Might be a tad biased since Atton is my favorite video game character ever.  ) 

 

Heh, I was left disappointed.  I guess I just wanted more Atton in the end .  The lack of closure made me reach out to fanfic.

 

Nice profile pic, by the way .  My last profile pic was this image.

[Ellyria]

Heh, I was left disappointed.  I guess I just wanted more Atton in the end .  The lack of closure made me reach out to fanfic.

 

Nice profile pic, by the way .  My last profile pic was this image.

 

More Atton is never a bad thing!

 

I've never been able to find good Atton/Exile fanfic. *shrugs*

 

And thank you! I use this pic for almost everything that requires an avatar. 

[kalasaurus]

More Atton is never a bad thing!

 

I've never been able to find good Atton/Exile fanfic. *shrugs*

 

And thank you! I use this pic for almost everything that requires an avatar. 

 

I liked Resolutions by Trillian4210.  It takes place after KotOR 2, and wraps up the stories of the characters in the first and second game (focusing on Atton/the Exile, yay).

[Lucy Glitter]

I would have been fine with how the romance played out if Obsidian had actually written romances for KOTOR 2. I thought it was cute that smartass Atton seemed unable to tell the Exile that he actually liked her (but had no problem telling everyone else, apparently.   ) Although I guess it was the same for the Exile since you can tell both Kreia and Mira that you liked him like that, but not Atton himself. Sigh.

 

As for Disciple... ugh. His voice was the only good thing about him. I did like all the extra cutscenes between Atton and Disciple from the restored content mod. Poor Atton is really jealous. 

 

*is also a huge Atton fan*

 

Such a fangirl of his. Avellone never writes a good romance but his plotlines are just top notch. Restored content gives Atton a bit more depth and a little more resolution. Not much, unfortunately. I kind of like how vague it is... 

[illymiel]

For me, the best two romances I met in my games walkthroughs, were in icewind dale 2. Yeah, I know, Icewind dale is a game whithout party interactions, but there is mod, that add 5 voiced npc with banters and a lot of dialogues, and four of them are romenceable. There are a lot of interactions between player and party members and love triangles and jealous and... well a lot of good written dialogues. I still remember my two favorite romances from that mod, even if I played it 3 or 4 years ago.

May be it is a good idea to replay game with that mod, because there are still 5 month before I can play DAI.

[Hellion Rex]

By the Queen Aimo

 

[Hellion Rex]

UPDATE: Cass at the Ball by Queen Aimo

 

[Hellion Rex]

By Mellioranj!

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Since we're posting fanart, by Queen Rinji

[pace675]

Oh, this!  Very much in agreement, it's something that bothers me.  I think the closest I've seen is being able to show some kind of negative emotion...like worry, anxiety, discouragement to Wynne about being a GW etc.  My canon is a Cousland and I really feel like it would have been nice to have had a heart to heart with someone about the fact that my family and everyone I'd known my entire life had just been brutally slaughtered, I kinda wish they hadn't put Fergus out of the game until the end, I needed my big bro!  I actually felt traumatised myself the first time I played through a Cousland origin.  That's how I felt anyway...I needed a hug from SOMEONE at the very least!

 

This! Alistair, throws a nice hissy fit if you so much as think of slighting Duncan in the slightly, or brush off his own views or concerns. While dismissing the the death of your whole family with basically,"Oh yeah, right, sorry to hear." then goes back into his angst at losing Duncan. For that and a few other reason none of my female nobles would ever romance him ICly (Did it for a completionist play-through under duress XD). Other origin backgrounds yes but never with the noble.

 

To me there was to much hand-waiving dismissals at any traumatizing event that the PC had (with any origin for that matter), and it struck me as quite odd that your LIs had no concerns over that especially since it would be something that would always be the foremost on the PC nobles thoughts.

 

I understand that the writers are limited in what they can do. Due to the fact that also have to tell more than one story several different ways due to players choices (Also race/class and other permutations from prior choices).  With any omg moment that will have an impact on the player the NPCs should show a little more than a passing concern or just one passing comment. It's a fine balancing act that the writers have to contend with and I don't envy their task; but only suggest if they bring up something that would be a very pressing and important matter to the PC. Is that they try and give that plot line its due. Yes all the origin stories received their closure, from Howe, to Bhelen, Tamelen with the camp scene (must admit that was a bloody good scene), and the rest of the origin stories key points that started the warden down their path, whether it be for revenge honor, glory, or what not.

 

Hmmm seems like I am rambling, tl;dr : If it is something that would be of importance to the PC, the LI should have more than a passing concern no?

 

With that stated all I can ask and hope for is this: For any potential LI let the characters be themselves, no pandering to meet demographics. Like the approach ME3 took which I consider one of that games highlights. Male Shepard that peruses Traynor, shot down! She has her own interests and likes and Sheploo isnt one of them, same for Ashley, no matter how much Femshep wanted her, Ash likes the boys(Though it would have been fun to try and flirt with her to see her reactions though). Eh, what I am getting at, write the character as you see fit, if they're bi, then they are bi. Just not something that is put in to meet a quota it seems forced.

 

I'll use Anders as an example, from awakening, he was a "lady's man", Then we get to DA2 he's still the shameless flirt (I applaud Mr Gaider for giving a NPC with some initiative, with npcs that they tell you what they want, and like) and now he's bi. Now I do  not know what  happened between awakenings and Kirkwall but without context this seems so out of character it just smacks me as wrong.

 

Eh I better stoop rambling now....Oooo Squirrel!

[In Exile]

This! Alistair, throws a nice hissy fit if you so much as think of slighting Duncan in the slightly, or brush off his own views or concerns. While dismissing the the death of your whole family with basically,"Oh yeah, right, sorry to hear." then goes back into his angst at losing Duncan. For that and a few other reason none of my female nobles would ever romance him ICly (Did it for a completionist play-through under duress XD). Other origin backgrounds yes but never with the noble.

 

To me there was to much hand-waiving dismissals at any traumatizing event that the PC had (with any origin for that matter), and it struck me as quite odd that your LIs had no concerns over that especially since it would be something that would always be the foremost on the PC nobles thoughts.

 

I understand that the writers are limited in what they can do. Due to the fact that also have to tell more than one story several different ways due to players choices (Also race/class and other permutations from prior choices).  With any omg moment that will have an impact on the player the NPCs should show a little more than a passing concern or just one passing comment. It's a fine balancing act that the writers have to contend with and I don't envy their task; but only suggest if they bring up something that would be a very pressing and important matter to the PC. Is that they try and give that plot line its due. Yes all the origin stories received their closure, from Howe, to Bhelen, Tamelen with the camp scene (must admit that was a bloody good scene), and the rest of the origin stories key points that started the warden down their path, whether it be for revenge honor, glory, or what not.

A big problem with this is that Bioware is incredibly, incredibly averse to allow you to express views in-game. They've improved on that moving from ME1 to DA2, but it's still a very rare instance when they actually have a dialogue option for you to express a personal view. Since that's their approach to dialogue, you then see it bleed into romance dialogue where NPCs don't ask about you, because Bioware doesn't have you talk about yourself as an apparent design choice. 

[Mockingword]

What happened was that you made assumptions about a character when you shouldn't have. That's been covered at least ten times, just in this thread.

 

It's hilarious, by which I mean awful, that whenever someone says they want the characters to "be themselves", what they actually mean is "I want the characters to have clearly defined sexual preferences for the sake of my own comfort".

 

There's no such thing as a "context" for bisexuality. People don't magically turn gay because of past trauma or whatever stupid bullshit you think needs to happen in order for non-heterosexuality to "make sense".

[pace675]

A big problem with this is that Bioware is incredibly, incredibly averse to allow you to express views in-game. They've improved on that moving from ME1 to DA2, but it's still a very rare instance when they actually have a dialogue option for you to express a personal view. Since that's their approach to dialogue, you then see it bleed into romance dialogue where NPCs don't ask about you, because Bioware doesn't have you talk about yourself as an apparent design choice. 

 

Good point, but that would bring up that people do like to talk about themselves in small ways, which makes seem odd that the PC can not. Have you ever made a friend with out giving any information about yourself? Relationships are about give and take and all the LIs seem to be takers lol. But it would be nice to see Bioware take the next step, more details that go into the story the better it gets in my opinion.

 

 

 

What happened was that you made assumptions about a character when you shouldn't have. That's been covered at least ten times, just in this thread.

 

It's hilarious, by which I mean awful, that whenever someone says they want the characters to "be themselves", what they actually mean is "I want the characters to have clearly defined sexual preferences for the sake of my own comfort".

 

There's no such thing as a "context" for bisexuality. People don't magically turn gay because of past trauma or whatever stupid bullshit you think needs to happen in order for non-heterosexuality to "make sense".

 

 

EDIT: Just saw Mockingword's comment.

 

Now where did I state "I want the characters to have clearly defined sexual preferences for the sake of my own comfort".

 

No where, as I said it seemed odd to *ME* with the information that has been given to see what an abrupt change in the character.  I am very content with sexuality and my own comfort, thank you very much.

 

There is no reason for such hostility good sir or ma'am, people's sexuality is their own private matter that they choose to share with another, and I have no qualms with anyone. But when someone is telling a story and it strikes me as odd I shall and I will point it out. Now stating that, you did not see me mention Kaiden, he was written such as his sexual preference was pretty much open besides his first love back in the day. Anders on the other hand was a blatant womanizer. Big difference, huge even. If you present something as X and it is actually Z without context then yes people have the right to question.

[Hellion Rex]

Anders on the other hand was a blatant womanizer. Big difference, huge even.

I assume by "blatant womanizer" you are referring to the one comment about want a "pretty girl"? And being a womanizer doesn't mean he can't be bisexual, at all.

[pace675]

There's that and and party banter and what's her name that starts his quest-line in Amaranthine(sic?) Just to name a few, but you see my point yes? But if it was just the "pretty girl" thing I'd have no issues with him in DA2. (Lol dont make me play awakenings again to pull all the dialogs to build a case as to why I saw him as a womanizer, then again you can be a blatant womanizer who is bisexual, but it did not come off that way to me.)

[The Elder King]

There's that and and party banter and what's her name that starts his quest-line in Amaranthine(sic?) Just to name a few, but you see my point yes? But if it was just the "pretty girl" thing I'd have no issues with him in DA2. (Lol dont make me play awakenings again to pull all the dialogs to build a case as to why I saw him as a womanizer, then again you can be a blatant womanizer who is bisexual, but it did not come off that way to me.)

I don't recall anything on the convo with his contact in Amaranthine that lead me to believe that he was a womanizer. It didn't seem to me they had a sort of romantic/sexual relationship.

[Ajna]

This! Alistair, throws a nice hissy fit if you so much as think of slighting Duncan in the slightly, or brush off his own views or concerns. While dismissing the the death of your whole family with basically,"Oh yeah, right, sorry to hear." then goes back into his angst at losing Duncan. For that and a few other reason none of my female nobles would ever romance him ICly (Did it for a completionist play-through under duress XD). Other origin backgrounds yes but never with the noble.

 

To me there was to much hand-waiving dismissals at any traumatizing event that the PC had (with any origin for that matter), and it struck me as quite odd that your LIs had no concerns over that especially since it would be something that would always be the foremost on the PC nobles thoughts.

 

I understand that the writers are limited in what they can do. Due to the fact that also have to tell more than one story several different ways due to players choices (Also race/class and other permutations from prior choices).  With any omg moment that will have an impact on the player the NPCs should show a little more than a passing concern or just one passing comment. It's a fine balancing act that the writers have to contend with and I don't envy their task; but only suggest if they bring up something that would be a very pressing and important matter to the PC. Is that they try and give that plot line its due. Yes all the origin stories received their closure, from Howe, to Bhelen, Tamelen with the camp scene (must admit that was a bloody good scene), and the rest of the origin stories key points that started the warden down their path, whether it be for revenge honor, glory, or what not.

 

Hmmm seems like I am rambling, tl;dr : If it is something that would be of importance to the PC, the LI should have more than a passing concern no?

 

With that stated all I can ask and hope for is this: For any potential LI let the characters be themselves, no pandering to meet demographics. Like the approach ME3 took which I consider one of that games highlights. Male Shepard that peruses Traynor, shot down! She has her own interests and likes and Sheploo isnt one of them, same for Ashley, no matter how much Femshep wanted her, Ash likes the boys(Though it would have been fun to try and flirt with her to see her reactions though). Eh, what I am getting at, write the character as you see fit, if they're bi, then they are bi. Just not something that is put in to meet a quota it seems forced.

 

I'll use Anders as an example, from awakening, he was a "lady's man", Then we get to DA2 he's still the shameless flirt (I applaud Mr Gaider for giving a NPC with some initiative, with npcs that they tell you what they want, and like) and now he's bi. Now I do  not know what  happened between awakenings and Kirkwall but without context this seems so out of character it just smacks me as wrong.

 

Eh I better stoop rambling now....Oooo Squirrel!

The reaction from Alistair didn't bother me tbh, he actually seemed very ashamed about his going on about Duncan when you pick the dialogue about your family being murdered and he's very sympathetic, I adore Alistair though, he's my favourite game character.  I think what I really wanted was some sympathy and a hug from Wynne lol.

 

DA2 improved on that slightly as the LI did come to you and give you sympathy after Leandra died, and the other companions all spoke to you about it afterwards.  I'd say the Cousland situation was a far more traumatic one, but with the improvement in DA2 on that subject, it gives me hope for DA:I companions being a bit more empathetic?

[pace675]

I don't recall anything on the convo with his contact in Amaranthine that lead me to believe that he was a womanizer. It didn't seem to me they had a sort of romantic/sexual relationship.

 

0:44 4:58 11:06 21:20 21:34 (male protagonist) That's is just a few.

The reaction from Alistair didn't bother me tbh, he actually seemed very ashamed about his going on about Duncan when you pick the dialogue about your family being murdered and he's very sympathetic, I adore Alistair though, he's my favourite game character.  I think what I really wanted was some sympathy and a hug from Wynne lol.

 

DA2 improved on that slightly as the LI did come to you and give you sympathy after Leandra died, and the other companions all spoke to you about it afterwards.  I'd say the Cousland situation was a far more traumatic one, but with the improvement in DA2 on that subject, it gives me hope for DA:I companions being a bit more empathetic?

 

 

Ooo I believe you hit the nail on the head! Yes more empathy would be nice,and yes I do recall that convo about Duncan, but he kept on harping on that for far too long especially since Cousland also lost everyone dear to them too (It seemed like 20 love talks later he's still pining over Duncan o.o). This is why my fem noble shot him down every-time(lol but elves and dwarves that is a different story).

[Farewell]

This! Alistair, throws a nice hissy fit if you so much as think of slighting Duncan in the slightly, or brush off his own views or concerns. While dismissing the the death of your whole family with basically,"Oh yeah, right, sorry to hear." then goes back into his angst at losing Duncan. For that and a few other reason none of my female nobles would ever romance him ICly (Did it for a completionist play-through under duress XD). Other origin backgrounds yes but never with the noble.

 

To me there was to much hand-waiving dismissals at any traumatizing event that the PC had (with any origin for that matter), and it struck me as quite odd that your LIs had no concerns over that especially since it would be something that would always be the foremost on the PC nobles thoughts.

 

I understand that the writers are limited in what they can do. Due to the fact that also have to tell more than one story several different ways due to players choices (Also race/class and other permutations from prior choices).  With any omg moment that will have an impact on the player the NPCs should show a little more than a passing concern or just one passing comment. It's a fine balancing act that the writers have to contend with and I don't envy their task; but only suggest if they bring up something that would be a very pressing and important matter to the PC. Is that they try and give that plot line its due. Yes all the origin stories received their closure, from Howe, to Bhelen, Tamelen with the camp scene (must admit that was a bloody good scene), and the rest of the origin stories key points that started the warden down their path, whether it be for revenge honor, glory, or what not.

 

Hmmm seems like I am rambling, tl;dr : If it is something that would be of importance to the PC, the LI should have more than a passing concern no?

 

With that stated all I can ask and hope for is this: For any potential LI let the characters be themselves, no pandering to meet demographics. Like the approach ME3 took which I consider one of that games highlights. Male Shepard that peruses Traynor, shot down! She has her own interests and likes and Sheploo isnt one of them, same for Ashley, no matter how much Femshep wanted her, Ash likes the boys(Though it would have been fun to try and flirt with her to see her reactions though). Eh, what I am getting at, write the character as you see fit, if they're bi, then they are bi. Just not something that is put in to meet a quota it seems forced.

 

I'll use Anders as an example, from awakening, he was a "lady's man", Then we get to DA2 he's still the shameless flirt (I applaud Mr Gaider for giving a NPC with some initiative, with npcs that they tell you what they want, and like) and now he's bi. Now I do  not know what  happened between awakenings and Kirkwall but without context this seems so out of character it just smacks me as wrong.

 

Eh I better stoop rambling now....Oooo Squirrel!

I would also like to see more supportive LIs but I'm not sure is Alistair that kind of character. What I mean by that is that maybe he just doesn't know how to support your PC so that is why he acts like he does.

 

I would also like to see that characters can be themselves like you said and not be made bisexuals because of the reason that every LI has to be bisexual so that every one can romance them. However I think there should be romance  options for every one but I don't see that there have to be equal amount of them.

 

I'm very positive about that romances will be better in the future. It just takes time. Maybe not every romance is as good as in previous games but sometimes those things just happen.

[Felya87]

I think the lack of support from Alistair was quite strange, since on the contrary, he is very simpathetic with Winnie when she talk to him about his child in the banter. He seems a very caring guy, his...insensibility is quite out of character during the romance or even just the friendship path.

that, and the fact that (at least the non-human noble) PC can't really talk much about themself with him. I liked few things about DA2, but the fact that Hawke could sometime talk about herself where very cute. (like with Fenris the talk about returning to Ferelden)

[Farewell]

Yes Alistair is sometimes sympathetic and I think he acts like that when you see the dream after the Joining. And he seems to be caring guy. What I tried to say was that maybe there are some situations where he can't be symphatetic towards your PC. Like when you are in relationship with him  it seems that he doesn't always know what to do so he jokes about things instead.

[Hellion Rex]

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