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[Kingthlayer]

Uh-oh.

 

Somebody should tell the Entertainment Software Association, then: http://www.theesa.co.../gameplayer.asp

 

We wouldn't want them to spread such blatant misinformation. Women might start thinking that their opinions matter.

 

I don't buy into random survey garbage numbers.  31 years old is the average gamer age but yet the average time people have been gaming is 14 years.  So according to this survey the average person started playing games at 17.  Come on that right is just straight up lawlworthy.  Makes the rest of it a joke.

[CronoDragoon]

In an attempt to get things back on track. 

 

People who played Baldurs Gate II and Jade Empire do you think the romances are too easy now and have just become player fantasy fodder?

 

Weren't JE's romances really easy? I remember going from meeting the ninja girl to her declaring her love for me in the span of a couple hours. That's also an issue of how late she was introduced, though.

 

The problem with framing romances as easy/hard is that I don't think making them "hard" really changes much. If anything, it encourages a sort of min/max mindset to romances where people follow guides and such to get er done.

 

Instead of difficulty I think length of the romance is more important. The issue I raised above is also why Liara's romance turns me off in ME1: it just doesn't proceed in a realistic timeframe, and that, I think, brings up objections on fantasy "fodder" more than how difficult a romance is to complete. It's why I like the Tali romance so much, because there isn't one until ME2.

 

One objection that I find flat-out wrong is that BW romances objectify the LI by making sex the objective. Really? In how many romances is sex the "end-point" of the content, such that the romance is "complete" after the sex?

[AkiKishi]

They were hard in BG2/JE?

 

Viconia was very hard and they all had elements linked to the game in a wider sense so it was very likely that your behaviour would cause you to fail.  Jade Empire had a 3some which was hard to pull off. 

 

I think they have become far too obvious and isoloated from events of the game so that players can romance their favourites no matter what I don't see that as a good thing.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I think he's trolling. I've never seen anyone define himself as an "alpha male" seriously, outside of high school junior classes and the misc of the bodybuilding.com forums

As a software guy, I've always thought of the word 'alpha' to mean incomplete and filled with bugs. My personal experience with so-called 'alpha males' seems to support the notion aptly enough.

 

But I digress.

[Todd23]

I much prefer to romance women and disappointed at the fact that we have twice as many males as we do females.

[AkiKishi]

 

 

One objection that I find flat-out wrong is that BW romances objectify the LI by making sex the objective. Really? In how many romances is sex the "end-point" of the content, such that the romance is "complete" after the sex?

 

You make a very good point thats where things usually start. Although Thedas is very different so maybe its kind of Bioware version of "no sex after marriage".

 

 

[Ryzaki]

She was?   I didn't have any issues with her romance that I can remember.  I know it was a difficult romance in the sense that she played you hot/cold and leaves in the end of SoA...but I didn't think it was hard to get from point A to point B.

 

I remember having trouble with Jaheira's b/c it was bugged to hell and back.

 

Aerie's is a bit different b/c sleeping with her in Shadows of Amn ends the romance (but you can sleep with her right away in ToB expansion and INVENTORY BABY happens).

 

I got caught up on some of the options that I thought she had tough enough skin to take since she felt like being a mega *******. (I do hate when LIs are douchecanoes to you but ra forbid you act the same).

 

Aerie is just so man. And inventory baby is insanity.

 

Edit: JE's romances are mega easy. The only difficulty actually comes in trying to turn people CF. (That and doing the shutting down the o/s romances fast enough if you want to s/s romance Sky or Silk Fox). And the threesome option wasn't difficult for me. I got that without a guide. All you have to do is be a wishy washy and pass a charm option.

[karushna5]

I much prefer to romance women and disappointed at the fact that we have twice as many males as we do females.

probably same amount of romances though, most of those guys will probably be nonromanceable.

[jlb524]

Viconia was very hard and they all had elements linked to the game in a wider sense so it was very likely that your behaviour would cause you to fail.  Jade Empire had a 3some which was hard to pull off. 

 

I think they have become far too obvious and isoloated from events of the game so that players can romance their favourites no matter what I don't see that as a good thing.

 

I'm still not sure what was 'hard' about Viconia's.  I never had trouble completing it.

 

Funny enough, I had more trouble romancing Isabela my first DA2 playthrough...I messed that up somehow.  

 

I thought the JE threesome was pretty easy to get.  I did this once back in the day when I wasn't using the internet as a guide.

 

 

I got caught up on some of the options that I thought she had tough enough skin to take since she felt like being a mega *******. (I do hate when LIs are douchecanoes to you but ra forbid you act the same).

 

 

Oh I see...I always played super nice Bhaalspawns XD

[daveliam]

I much prefer to romance women and disappointed at the fact that we have twice as many males as we do females.

 

We don't know how many romance options there will be, though.  Just because there are more male than female characters doesn't mean that we will be able to romance more males than females.  For example, there could be three female LI's (one straight, one bisexual, and one lesbian) and only two male LI's (both bisexual) and that would still meet all of the criteria that we currently know about romances.

[Mockingword]

I don't buy into random survey garbage numbers.  31 years old is the average gamer age but yet the average time people have been gaming is 14 years.  So according to this survey the average person started playing games at 17.  Come on that right is just straight up lawlworthy.  Makes the rest of it a joke.

If the "average gamer" in 2012 was 31, that means they were 17 in 1995.

 

It's absolutely plausible that someone could start gaming at that age. Explain how it's not.

[Gileadan]

I remember having trouble with Jaheira's b/c it was bugged to hell and back.

Yeah, it was a nightmare, bug wise. Some of its triggers originally were set in "real time played", others in "in-game days passed", I think... if you rested too often or not enough, you'd eventually skip over a trigger that way and never get the next one. You practically had to download a mod to get it to work.

 

...why do I still remember this?

[Akrabra]

Yeah, it was a nightmare, bug wise. Some of its triggers originally were set in "real time played", others in "in-game days passed", I think... if you rested too often or not enough, you'd eventually skip over a trigger that way and never get the next one. You practically had to download a mod to get it to work.

 

...why do I still remember this?

Because it was awesome?

[Gileadan]

I don't buy into random survey garbage numbers.  31 years old is the average gamer age but yet the average time people have been gaming is 14 years.  So according to this survey the average person started playing games at 17.  Come on that right is just straight up lawlworthy.  Makes the rest of it a joke.

Erm... 16 or 17 is actually pretty close to when I started gaming... because that was when the first affordable home consoles/computers came out.

[CENIC]

I got caught up on some of the options that I thought she had tough enough skin to take since she felt like being a mega *******. (I do hate when LIs are douchecanoes to you but ra forbid you act the same).

Funnily enough, I had the opposite problem with Bishop in NWN2. You have to be a baby-eating animal abuser to get on his good side. Which breaks convention, but I still would have liked to kill him with kindness.

[Ryzaki]

 

I'm still not sure what was 'hard' about Viconia's.  I never had trouble completing it.

 

Funny enough, I had more trouble romancing Isabela my first DA2 playthrough...I messed that up somehow.  

 

I thought the JE threesome was pretty easy to get.  I did this once back in the day when I wasn't using the internet as a guide.

 

 

 

Oh I see...I always played super nice Bhaalspawns XD

 

 

I think a lot of people messed up Isabela XD her leaving for good in act 2 is a bit of a wake up call. lol

 

Yeah it wasn't hard.

 

I mostly play douches Or snarkmasters. (and then I say something benignly snarky and a companion flips out on me )

 

[CronoDragoon]

I mostly play douches Or snarkmasters. (and then I say something benignly snarky and a companion flips out on me )

 

"At least things can't get any worse. Not today, anyway. It's getting pretty late."

[Ryzaki]

Funnily enough, I had the opposite problem with Bishop in NWN2. You have to be a baby-eating animal abuser to get on his good side. Which breaks convention, but I still would have liked to kill him with kindness.

 

Yeah I liked that. It made sense he'd fall for a female as crazy as he was (and I just started replaying NWN2 so whoot \o/ )

 

 

"At least things can't get any worse. Not today, anyway. It's getting pretty late."

 

That was terrible XD

[jlb524]

I think a lot of people messed up Isabela XD her leaving for good in act 2 is a bit of a wake up call. lol

 

 

She didn't leave me at the end of Act 2.

 

My Hawke slept with her at the start of Act 2 but I picked the wrong reply when she tells you that she doesn't want to bring love into the equation.  I agreed with her, thinking this would be the best option (it wasn't marked with a little heart-break icon either).  I figured she wouldn't appreciate pushing the 'love' thing on her after just having sex for the first time.  But that completely shuts down the romance from that point on.

 

 

I mostly play douches Or snarkmasters. (and then I say something benignly snarky and a companion flips out on me )

 

So...no Diplomatic Hawke for you?

 

I always preferred Diplo!Hawke XD

[Barquiel]

She was?   I didn't have any issues with her romance that I can remember.  I know it was a difficult romance in the sense that she played you hot/cold and leaves in the end of SoA...but I didn't think it was hard to get from point A to point B.

 

I remember having trouble with Jaheira's b/c it was bugged to hell and back.

 

Aerie's is a bit different b/c sleeping with her in Shadows of Amn ends the romance (but you can sleep with her right away in ToB expansion and INVENTORY BABY happens).

 

I know "sleeping" with Phaere will also ruin a romance with Aerie

[Deadmac]

Not sure about that. But the impression I get from reading the boards is people are more concerned about virtual waifu's and inclusion than they are about the game.

 

While it's not Bioware directly, these are their boards for anyone looking at DA:I.

 

You hit the nail on the head. As one of the developers had said, the fanbase had caused the hype to revolve around homosexuality. "Dragon Age: Inquisition's" advertising should be based upon game mechanics, skills, character customization, storytelling, etc... During the course of the past year, the main theme behind interviews and fan raves have revolved around homosexuality. While I have no problem with the inclusion of gay characters, I wish the hype focused on other game aspects.

 

Vocal fans, some of those in this thread, have managed to hijack the game's hype.

 

"Dragon Age: Inquisition" is either a dark fantasy roleplaying game, or its a story about a group of homosexual lovers. Romance is a welcomed aspect of BioWare games. I love BioWare's style of storytelling. I am a massive fan. On the other hand, the alternative romances should not overshadow everythigng else.

 

That said, gamers like him do make me worried that when it hits mainstream, that is all people will talk about being a gay agenda game or whatever. I have seen it elsewhere, but I am just really worried that it may effect Bioware negatively.

 

...and, that is my point.

 

I managed to tick off a ton of people by using the phrase 'alpha male'.

 

...and, that should be a serious problem for BioWare.

 

We have to move past the 'special' romance aspects of this game.

 

I should not have been burned for asking for strong hetrosexual repationships.

 

...the fact is many people who play dragon age are not heterosexual...

 

Unless you have some sort of statistical data, I personally do not think your assumption is based upon truth.

[CronoDragoon]

You hit the nail on the head. As one of the developers had said, the fanbase had caused the hype to revolve around homosexuality. "Dragon Age: Inquisition's" advertising should be based upon game mechanics, skills, character customization, storytelling, etc... During the course of the past year, the main theme behind interviews and fan raves have revolved around homosexuality.

 

Here is a listing of promotional videos for Inquisition: https://www.youtube....age inquisition

 

Please point out homosexuality being discussed. I've seen it discussed in the interview about characters having set sexualities. But the main thrust of information revealed so far has nothing to do with sexuality.

[WildOrchid]

I'm laughing. Really hard.

[Ryzaki]

She didn't leave me at the end of Act 2.

 

My Hawke slept with her at the start of Act 2 but I picked the wrong reply when she tells you that she doesn't want to bring love into the equation.  I agreed with her, thinking this would be the best option (it wasn't marked with a little heart-break icon either).  I figured she wouldn't appreciate pushing the 'love' thing on her after just having sex for the first time.  But that completely shuts down the romance from that point on.

 

 

 

So...no Diplomatic Hawke for you?

 

I always preferred Diplo!Hawke XD

 

Oooh it doesn't help that Hawke sounds so cheesy when he says it (or at least Mhawke did. Not sure about fem.)

 

I did diplo Hawke once. He's painfully boring.

 

Snarky! Hawke is my fav.

[WildOrchid]

You hit the nail on the head. As one of the developers had said, the fanbase had caused the hype to revolve around homosexuality. "Dragon Age: Inquisition's" advertising should be based upon game mechanics, skills, character customization, storytelling, etc... During the course of the past year, the main theme behind interviews and fan raves have revolved around homosexuality. While I have no problem with the inclusion of gay characters, I wish the hype focused on other game aspects.

 

Vocal fans, some of those in this thread, have managed to hijack the game's hype.

 

"Dragon Age: Inquisition" is either a dark fantasy roleplaying game, or its a story about a group of homosexual lovers. Romance is a welcomed aspect of BioWare games. I love BioWare's style of storytelling. I am a massive fan. On the other hand, the alternative romances should not overshadow everythigng else.

 

So a "dark fantasy with lots of heterosexuals and damsels in distress" would make you feel better.