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Having an NPC flirt with the PC is okay if it fits the NPCs personality to do so.
I personally found it very weird that Anders flirts...like not long after he knifes his lover.
Added to that it just...well look at it from Hawke's perspective.
An extremist to a radical political view who is demonically possessed is flirting with you.
Most of my Hawke's were all like "Uhm....no"
Though really a great many people flew into a rage over this going "NO ******" about it.
Having an NPC flirt with the PC is okay if it fits the NPCs personality to do so.
I personally found it very weird that Anders flirts...like not long after he knifes his lover.
Added to that it just...well look at it from Hawke's perspective.
An extremist to a radical political view who is demonically possessed is flirting with you.
Most of my Hawke's were all like "Uhm....no"
Though really a great many people flew into a rage over this going "NO ******" about it.
Agree with this. I think a companion flirting with you is fine, so long as it fits the character. Zevran and Isabella are extroverts, so it feels natural for them to flirt with the PC.
Liara however, I found it odd when she started flirting with Shepard as she seemed like an introvert and a bit of a loner at the start of ME1.
In short, some people flirt IRL, some people dont. It should be the same with characters.
The fact that Anders flirted with me wasn't as bothersome as the fact that the timing for it was bad. If it happened in the middle of act 2 or something, I would think "wow, I'm flattered you think of me this way, but no thanks", however, he comes onto you pretty much the same day you meet him. That was weird. Wouldn't people feel uncorfotable if such an thing happened to them?
Well to be fair to Anders most cases of flirting IRL happen at the first meeting.
This hype comes from the fan base.
And from our perspective our marketing so far as been pretty light. Mostly teases and stuff more attuned to people already avidly following the game.
Allan, do you think the subject will eventually change?
Well to be fair to Anders most cases of flirting IRL happen at the first meeting.
That does happen, and depending on the person, the situation, and the context can be equally creepy. What makes it worse - either with Anders or especially when I've encountered it IRL - is when the person flirting asks in some way if they are making you uncomfortable, and when you say it does, they get p*ssed off and act like it's your fault that you are uncomfortable because you are too uptight to "appreciate" their "attention." Kind of like Anders did.
But that does derail the original commentary about companions flirting with you first. Even if I found the situation with Anders a bit "no thanks," I did like that a companion flirted first. He was just a bit too fast and forward for me. 
Beyond that, even if they don't flirt first in DA:I or in future games, it would be nice if they flirted without prompting once it's clear you are romantically interested.
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This isn't an attack or anything, but I really have a problem when people (almost entirely women in this case) label people who flirt with them as "creepy."
Granted, some people are a little bit inappropriate, especially whilst flirting, but more often than not people find it creepy when they don't find the person flirting with them attractive. Whilst these same people usually find similar behaviour from somebody who they do find attractive/or find charismatic as charming.
Another reason that I don't like the term creepy is it projects nefarious motives and potential aggression onto the guy (using "guy" here because it's almost entirely men who get labelled this way) for no other reason than he dared to try and win you someone over. For all you (collective you here) know the guy may not be the most confident, which is not only usually considered an unattractive quality but can lead to things like social awkwardness, which in turn can lead to anything he says coming across as a little off colour. When in fact he could have been plucking up the courage to just come over and say hi.
I just find it such a derogatory term to use as it's more often than not an emotional reaction disguised as character judgement. You see it all the time, charismatic, good looking people get away with things that others would get maced for. Whilst less attractive, socially inept people get labelled creepy for behaviour that is far more benign.
Point being, the act of flirting isn't creepy. I would bet that most people here met their girlfriends, boyfriends, husbands and wives through a little flirting.
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This isn't an attack or anything, but I really have a problem when people (almost entirely women in this case) label people who flirt with them as "creepy."
Granted, some people are a little bit inappropriate, especially whilst flirting, but more often than not people find it creepy when they don't find the person flirting with them attractive. Whilst these same people usually find similar behaviour from somebody who they do find attractive/or find charismatic as charming.
Another reason that I don't like the term creepy is it projects nefarious motives and potential aggression onto the guy (using "guy" here because it's almost entirely men who get labelled this way) for no other reason than he dared to try and win you someone over. For all you (collective you here) know the guy may not be the most confident, which is not only usually considered an unattractive quality but can lead to things like social awkwardness, which in turn can come across as off colour. He could have been plucking up the courage to just come over and say hi.
I just find it such a derogatory term to use as it's more often than not an emotional reaction disguised as character judgement. You see it all the time, charismatic, good looking people get away with things that others would get maced for. Whilst less attractive, socially inept people get labelled creepy for behaviour that is far more benign.
Point being, the act of flirting isn't creepy. I would bet that most people here met their girlfriends, boyfriends, husbands and wives through a little flirting.
Flirting can absolutely be creepy. There are a lot of complicated social rules that come with flirting - it's like a dance. When someone steps outside of those rules, that's a real problem. Like touching. Touching is absolutely part of flirting. And so is spacing - namely, moving closer to someone. But there's a way to do that right, to pay attention to the cues that someone is giving you. And there's a way to do it wrong, like walking up to someone, leaning in right next to them, putting your hand on their shoulder, and telling them their hair smells pretty.
Attractiveness plays a role in someone being deemed creepy because if you find someone unattractive, you won't give them cues to move forward with the whole adventure. And if they do move forward, then they're violating your personal space, integrity, etc. That's creepy - moving in on someone when they haven't given you the OK.
The reality is that people who lack social skills don't get flirting, and other people aren't mind-readers. I can't know that your telling me my facial hair is really coarse in a sultry voice is that you don't have social skills instead of a "note to self" that you want to collect my skin for the collection back home.
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Is it just me or does she look absolutely horrified?
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I like her look of almost confusion at the act of him giving her a flower. Probably because the Qunari's stoic nature contradicts it. 
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I wouldn't be surprised if this will be what the actual romance scenes are like. Very intimate yet due to placement and shadows not explicit.
This isn't an attack or anything, but I really have a problem when people (almost entirely women in this case) label people who flirt with them as "creepy."
Granted, some people are a little bit inappropriate, especially whilst flirting, but more often than not people find it creepy when they don't find the person flirting with them attractive. Whilst these same people usually find similar behaviour from somebody who they do find attractive/or find charismatic as charming.
Another reason that I don't like the term creepy is it projects nefarious motives and potential aggression onto the guy (using "guy" here because it's almost entirely men who get labelled this way) for no other reason than he dared to try and win you someone over. For all you (collective you here) know the guy may not be the most confident, which is not only usually considered an unattractive quality but can lead to things like social awkwardness, which in turn can lead to anything he says coming across as a little off colour. When in fact he could have been plucking up the courage to just come over and say hi.
I just find it such a derogatory term to use as it's more often than not an emotional reaction disguised as character judgement. You see it all the time, charismatic, good looking people get away with things that others would get maced for. Whilst less attractive, socially inept people get labelled creepy for behaviour that is far more benign.
Point being, the act of flirting isn't creepy. I would bet that most people here met their girlfriends, boyfriends, husbands and wives through a little flirting.
All I have to say to this is this: One person's desire to flirt shouldn't override someone else's desire to not be flirted with. You want to flirt with a person, that's great, but if it includes ignoring someone's "back off" body language, then it stops being flirty and starts being creepy. Flirting isn't a subject-object act, it's a dance...it requires mutuality.
everytime I go into a romance forum Iron bull is the main discussion I wish I had as many ladies as he has after him 
I would say, that if all you saw was a DA:I trailer, and then came over to these forums - pretty much every thread derails into talking about romances at some point. And it's probably fair to say the lgbt fans seem more enthusiastic in their postings than the straight ones.
So...I can see how if one was solely perusing the forums for their source of info on DA:I, they might get that impression. But as people have said, that is almost entirely a fan created hype machine - I feel like the devs are trying to focus on romances as little as possible.
I agree that it's fan driven. I don't think that it's fair to say that lgbt fans seem more enthusiastic about romances than straight ones. I would say that LGBT fans and straight females are pretty much equally expressive about this. And I also see a ton a straight guys chiming in; some in favor, some not. I think it might be a case of people thinking that LGBT people outnumber straight people on this topic because it's one of the only places where people identify their sexuality, which makes it look like there are more gay people (since we aren't as "common") than there really are. I see just as many straight females in these threads as LGBT people.
It may have something to do with fan art as well.
As an example, I've yet to see fan art of Cassandra depicting a heterosexual relationship. So I can see how people could get that impression.
I agree that it's fan driven. I don't think that it's fair to say that lgbt fans seem more enthusiastic about romances than straight ones. I would say that LGBT fans and straight females are pretty much equally expressive about this. And I also see a ton a straight guys chiming in; some in favor, some not. I think it might be a case of people thinking that LGBT people outnumber straight people on this topic because it's one of the only places where people identify their sexuality, which makes it look like there are more gay people (since we aren't as "common") than there really are. I see just as many straight females in these threads as LGBT people.
My basis for saying LGTB fans seem more enthusiastic is mostly that I've seen more same-sex fan art than I have hetero fan art. But maybe I'm just not looking at enough of it.
I agree that it's fan driven. I don't think that it's fair to say that lgbt fans seem more enthusiastic about romances than straight ones. I would say that LGBT fans and straight females are pretty much equally expressive about this. And I also see a ton a straight guys chiming in; some in favor, some not. I think it might be a case of people thinking that LGBT people outnumber straight people on this topic because it's one of the only places where people identify their sexuality, which makes it look like there are more gay people (since we aren't as "common") than there really are. I see just as many straight females in these threads as LGBT people.
Good points! Also, can you really blame those of us who ARE enthusiastic? Bioware makes some of the only games that non-hetero romances even exist in. We hype it because we love these games and we want other people to know that Bioware makes great, inclusive games and actually makes an effort to hear the concerns and feedback of their fans.
It may have something to do with fan art as well.
As an example, I've yet to see fan art of Cassandra depicting a heterosexual relationship. So I can see how people could get that impression.
Eluxianix linked on just a couple hours ago. Look at the top of either last page or two pages ago.
You're using the darker background and the poster you quoted is using the lighter colored default. Happens sometimes with the quote system, for whatever reason.
Weird. Thanks!
Good points! Also, can you really blame those of us who ARE enthusiastic? Bioware makes some of the only games that non-hetero romances even exist in. We hype it because we love these games and we want other people to know that Bioware makes great, inclusive games and actually makes an effort to hear the concerns and feedback of their fans.
I completely understand the enthusiasm. I don't consider it a bad thing at all. I was just pointing out that I can see how some random fan coming to the forums for information might think that it's one of the main focal points of the game, because everyone's so enthusiastic about it.
Eluxianix linked on just a couple hours ago. Look at the top of either last page or two pages ago.
Cool, i'll check it out. Thanks!
I wasn't defending any of the anti-LGBT parade, just giving a possible reason why some may think that it's going to be more prevalent than it probably will be in game. As s/s fan art far outnumbers any other fan art on these boards.
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