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If there is a ballroom dance I hope there are race specific reactions. Cass dancing with a qunari, for example, will be a pretty unmissable sight for everyone.
Yes. Even if Varric isn't an LI I want the option to dance with him as a Qunari Inquisitor they'll be the distraction while everyone else robs the place blind 
While I do like getting my romance when I want it, I think I'd want it either mixed or tied to game progression. That way, events in the game can be involved in triggering and furthering the romance (e.g. a near death situation, flirtation during ballroom-dancing, the night before the grand battle, etc.). This also helps the feeling that your romance is not in its own bubble, existing outside of events in the game. Also, it'd prevent the romance content from being finished, and thus nonexistent, before you're even halfway done with the game.
I can see how that'd be problematic if you haven't recruited that particular LI yet by the time some given event occurs, though.
While I do like getting my romance when I want it, I think I'd want it either mixed or tied to game progression. That way, events in the game can be involved in triggering and furthering the romance (e.g. a near death situation, flirtation during ballroom-dancing, the night before the grand battle, etc.). This also helps the feeling that your romance is not in its own bubble, existing outside of events in the game. Also, it'd prevent the romance content from being finished, and thus nonexistent, before you're even halfway done with the game.
I can see how that'd be problematic if you haven't recruited that particular LI yet by the time some given event occurs, though.
Yeah, I agree with this point. I like how, in ME 3, your LI can comment on events that are happening throughout. Plus, to me at least, the romances that paced by the devs allow a little more variety and depth. I'm thinking about the ME 3/DA 2 romances, where you see the relationship change over the course of the game's events, versus the DA: O romance, where you could reach "the end" of the romance in the first or second dialogue with a character. I get the argument for having the ability to pace it yourself, but I personally like it paced for me. It also gives me something to look forward to as I progress through the game.
Yeah, I agree with this point. I like how, in ME 3, your LI can comment on events that are happening throughout. Plus, to me at least, the romances that paced by the devs allow a little more variety and depth. I'm thinking about the ME 3/DA 2 romances, where you see the relationship change over the course of the game's events, versus the DA: O romance, where you could reach "the end" of the romance in the first or second dialogue with a character. I get the argument for having the ability to pace it yourself, but I personally like it paced for me. It also gives me something to look forward to as I progress through the game.
Though, I would say the pacing of the DA2 romance was somewhat poor. It's been 3 years of Hawke together with their LI, but to us, the player, it felt our previous discussions with them just happened yesterday. Too much off screen development, if that makes any sense.
The DAO part is exaggerated. For Alistair to even reach the point of the first romance dialogue (which is triggered automatically when clicking on him) you have to do several dialogues, and he need a high approval to sleep with the Warden. For reaching the end romance dialogue with Morrigan you have to complete her personal quest. You have to make several dialogues with Leliana to trigger the romance (and possibly trigger the Marjolane dialogue at camp). Zevran needs a bit of dialogue to reach a romance dialogue that is triggered in the same way as Alistair.Yeah, I agree with this point. I like how, in ME 3, your LI can comment on events that are happening throughout. Plus, to me at least, the romances that paced by the devs allow a little more variety and depth. I'm thinking about the ME 3/DA 2 romances, where you see the relationship change over the course of the game's events, versus the DA: O romance, where you could reach "the end" of the romance in the first or second dialogue with a character. I get the argument for having the ability to pace it yourself, but I personally like it paced for me. It also gives me something to look forward to as I progress through the game.
Morrigan only needs 30 approval I think to sleep with the warden. I remember triggering her pretty early. But sleeping with her =/= romancing her.
Morrigan only needs 30 approval I think to sleep with the warden. I remember triggering her pretty early. But sleeping with her =/= romancing her.
From what I see in the wiki the approval for the sex scene has to be at 71.Zevran can approve upwards of 25+ if the Warden initiates the sex scene with him (which can be initiated pretty early and at a lower approval level). His romance will actually take the longest, though, since he won't fall in love until right before the Landsmeet.
One thing I absolutely do not want is any of Mass Effect's waiting until right before the last mission to consummate the relationship nonsense.
I'm not saying I want to jump into my LI's pants after the first conversation, but I enjoyed how in DAO, sex is not the culmination of the relationship, it's just a part of it, and the relationship continues to evolve for the duration of the game.
Oh, I thought that was the level at which Zevran himself will initiate it. I could have sworn the Warden could start the sex scene at any time (as long as he isn't at a disapproval level, at least).
Unfortunately, the histrionics around Anders' flirting in DA 2 has led them to state that they will never have an LI initiate the flirts. Which is a shame, really.
That's not the issue.
People were mad that they got Rivalry points for turning Anders down, which was the game saying that you need to romance the guy to get friendship points.
Which you know, shouldn't happen.
I'll defer to your knowledge, since I romanced him a few times and, and it was years ago.No, the Warden can most definitely initiate the scene with Zevran him/herself.
I just didn't like that there wasn't a nice or neutral way to let Anders down gently and not hurt his feelings.That's not the issue.
People were mad that they got Rivalry points for turning Anders down, which was the game saying that you need to romance the guy to get friendship points.
Which you know, shouldn't happen.
From what I see in the wiki the approval for the sex scene has to be at 71.
Edit: and Morrigan has to be at least at 50 for the sex scene.
oooh 50. So it takes at least one treaty to sleep with her then.
But can you invite Leliana to bed first?
One thing I absolutely do not want is any of Mass Effect's waiting until right before the last mission to consummate the relationship nonsense.
I'm not saying I want to jump into my LI's pants after the first conversation, but I enjoyed how in DAO, sex is not the culmination of the relationship, it's just a part of it, and the relationship continues to evolve for the duration of the game.
Yeah.
"Hey, the end is nigh, let's frickle frackle before i die."... and this didn't happen in one game but 3.
What happened to lovemaking in the middle of story? It'd be also nice to see implications that the couple did the thing more than once or lots of cute stuff all couples do.
Thank zeus DAO and DA2 didn't had all this 'frakking before last mission' so i very much doubt we'll see it in DAI.
Yeah.
"Hey, the end is nigh, let's frickle frackle before i die."... and this didn't happen in one game but 3.
What happened to lovemaking in the middle of story? It'd be also nice to see implications that the couple did the thing more than once or lots of cute stuff all couples do.
Thank zeus DAO and DA2 didn't had all this 'frakking before last mission' so i very much doublt we'll see it in DAI.
*Ahem* Points at Morrigan romance.
At least in ME3 it wasn't universal across the romances, and the Citadel DLC really helped with it. But still, was pretty bad.
I don't know the approval (I'll have to check), but you can initiate the dialogue to sleep yourself. Whih I did most of the time, becuase at first I didn't know that there's the change that she can start the dialogue herself like the others.oooh 50. So it takes at least one treaty to sleep with her then.
But can you invite Leliana to bed first?
*Ahem* Points at Morrigan romance.
You have the option to have sex with Morrigan very early on; earlier than any other companion, as has been established. And you can sleep with her multiple times; whenever you're in camp. That you happen to have one last go right before the final battle isn't the same as the set up in ME1 and ME2 where you don't sleep with your LI at all until right before the final mission, often with some rather weak justification.
I don't think having a purely approval gated romance is ideal, because it can leave the latter part of the game feeling empty. And if I haven't played before, I can't exactly try to pace things.
However, I would like the possibility for the PC to say they're not ready to sleep together and not end the romance. And I'd prefer it if not all the romances follow as similar structures as they did in ME and DA2.
Yeah.
"Hey, the end is nigh, let's frickle frackle before i die."... and this didn't happen in one game but 3.
What happened to lovemaking in the middle of story? It'd be also nice to see implications that the couple did the thing more than once or lots of cute stuff all couples do.
Thank zeus DAO and DA2 didn't had all this 'frakking before last mission' so i very much doublt we'll see it in DAI.
I always thought Suikoden (esp. 1&2) handled "night before the final mission"-scenes very well. You would see companions hang out with their friends, reflect on all that has happened, exchange some potential last words, talk about the future etc. Kinda like that last part in Mass Effect 3 in London. I would like to see something similar for DA:I.
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