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[Former_Fiend]

My thing is that sleeping with your LI shouldn't be, or at least, shouldn't necessarily be, the culmination of the relationship's arch throughout the game. It should be a milestone in the relationship, but there should be more content after that point.

[Ryzaki]

I don't know the approval (I'll have to check), but you can initiate the dialogue to sleep yourself. Whih I did most of the time, becuase at first I didn't know that there's the change that she can start the dialogue herself like the others.

 

Ah okay. I always let her initiate it cause I love the I'm gonna write in my journal line XD

[Ryzaki]

My thing is that sleeping with your LI shouldn't be, or at least, shouldn't necessarily be, the culmination of the relationship's arch throughout the game. It should be a milestone in the relationship, but there should be more content after that point.

 

To be fair this isn't the case in the DA games. The closest that comes to that is Leliana.

[Former_Fiend]

To be fair this isn't the case in the DA games. The closest that comes to that is Leliana.

 

This is true, and truthfully I don't think DAI will break the series trend with this.

 

Just stating an opinion regarding the question of romance pacing.

[Ryzaki]

This is true, and truthfully I don't think DAI will break the series trend with this.

 

Just stating an opinion regarding the question of romance pacing.

 

Ah fair enough. :3

 

I do wonder how early you will sleep with the romances though. Near the beginning of the game? The middle?  Does a relationship start with FWB and moves to something more? THE SUSPENSE.

[WildOrchid]

*Ahem* Points at Morrigan romance.

 

It was 'needed' in case of Morri bc god baby, archdemon and all that.

[Jaison1986]

It was 'needed' in case of Morri bc god baby, archdemon and all that.

 

But still, it didn't stop it from be an "last frakking before the final mission" kind of moment, did it?

 

As for romance in itself, something I would like to see is an romancable companion that shows little interest in the protagonist at the beggining. I think it's far more interesting winning over their affection by hard work and proving yourself then just having them kissing the ground you walk by the use of an single flirt. And also certain romances being locked by the protagonist actions, refusing to get involved with someone that does things they find deplorable.

[The Elder King]

Ah okay. I always let her initiate it cause I love the I'm gonna write in my journal line XD

I agree that it's better. I just didn't know it was possible for a period .

[Ryzaki]

I agree that it's better. I just didn't know it was possible for a period .

 

fair enough XD

 

I romanced Ali let married him to Anora spared Loghain, got dumped then romanced Leliana and had Loghain redeem himself by feeding himself to archie. All in all a really good ending.

[Former_Fiend]

But still, it didn't stop it from be an "last frakking before the final mission" kind of moment, did it?

 

As for romance in itself, something I would like to see is an romancable companion that shows little interest in the protagonist at the beggining. I think it's far more interesting winning over their affection by hard work and proving yourself then just having them kissing the ground you walk by the use of an single flirt. And also certain romances being locked by the protagonist actions, refusing to get involved with someone that does things they find deplorable.

 

Again, though; you can sleep with her much earlier than that and you maintain a sexual relationship with her throughout the game. This is in contrast to mass effect where a mutual attraction is established, perhaps a kiss is shared, there's an understanding of exclusiveness, and that's it. Until right before the last mission where the LI finally comes up to the captain's cabin. 

[Vapaa]

 

 

As for romance in itself, something I would like to see is an romancable companion that shows little interest in the protagonist at the beggining. I think it's far more interesting winning over their affection by hard work and proving yourself then just having them kissing the ground you walk by the use of an single flirt. And also certain romances being locked by the protagonist actions, refusing to get involved with someone that does things they find deplorable.

 

Romancing a video game companion is not "hard work" in any shape or form. It's ultimately about finding the right path, once you found it's it's a walk in a park, so no, I certainlty don't want some simulacrum of "working hard for seduction", it would just make me roll my eyes (it's also because I don't find it appealing in RL).

[Jaison1986]

Romancing a video game companion is not "hard work" in any shape or form. It's ultimately about finding the right path, once you found it's it's a walk in a park, so no, I certainlty don't want some simulacrum of "working hard for seduction", it would just make me roll my eyes (it's also because I don't find it appealing in RL).

 

Neither I think it's appealing for an companion to swoon over you the moment you open your mouth. I don't want romances to be an conquest, I want them to be something that I am not given on a silver plate.

[Giggles_Manically]

From a technical standpoint though it becomes difficult.

 

Make them like Baulder's Gate 2 where even one wrong line would RUIN FOREVER the romance or not start it?

Then people will just read a freaking guide book to get through ruining any organic element to it.

 

Make them to easy and people will not see any challenge to them.

 

However that being said I think if they were to mix the two and have some easier romances, and some harder ones it would work depending on the character.

That being said I personally detest the BG2 style where its like going through a mine field.

 

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[Former_Fiend]

To me, starting a relationship should not be hard work. If two people want to be together that should be a simple thing to accomplish. Staying together, making the relationship work; that's the hard part. 

 

But if we've known each other for any real length of time and the other person isn't at all interested in me to the point where I have to work my ass off to win her over? That's not romantic. That's not worth the effort. That's not a relationship. That's a war of attrition.

[Ryzaki]

 

To me, starting a relationship should not be hard work. If two people want to be together that should be a simple thing to accomplish. Staying together, making the relationship work; that's the hard part. 
 
But if we've known each other for any real length of time and the other person isn't at all interested in me to the point where I have to work my ass off to win her over? That's not romantic. That's not worth the effort. That's not a relationship. That's a war of attrition.

 

agreed. If someone's completely not interested trying to win them over feels like being one of those people that got friendzoned and utterly refuse to believe they aren't appealing and thus try to force the issue. So much do not want.

Now if they're interested but have reservations because they don't think you'd be a good match for them because some either wrong or misguided reason (maybe they feel you're not the settling type and they are) and you try to show them that yes you are and no that's not your issue that's one thing. But the keep flattering them til they magically become interested is so much no.

[Former_Fiend]

Thing is that's such a fine line to walk, from a writing perspective. 

[CronoDragoon]

 But the keep flattering them til they magically become interested is so much no.

 

Has this happened in a Bio game, or are we talking strictly hypothetically?

[Ryzaki]

Thing is that's such a fine line to walk, from a writing perspective. 

 

True and it can potentially look squicky enough I rather just avoid it.

 

Has this happened in a Bio game, or are we talking strictly hypothetically?

 

Hypothetically . None of the romances I've played (mind I haven't played them all) came across that way. The Lis all did express their interest in the PC (even if they were extremely circumvent about it hi there Quinn). Quinn comes really close though but when the PC does flat out ask him if he's interested he says he is but and then the conversation goes on.) It's not like he comes around to being interested in the PC romantically he comes around to taking the plunge into a relationship which are two different things.

[Shark17676]

Allan is so fierce.  Such eloquent smack downs. 

[CronoDragoon]

Hypothetically . None of the romances I've played (mind I haven't played them all) came across that way. The Lis all did express their interest in the PC (even if they were extremely circumvent about it hi there Quinn).

 

Yeah, it seems to me the main criticism is that so many people are interested in you, no matter what your personality is.

[ReallyRue]

   

agreed. If someone's completely not interested trying to win them over feels like being one of those people that got friendzoned and utterly refuse to believe they aren't appealing and thus try to force the issue. So much do not want.

Now if they're interested but have reservations because they don't think you'd be a good match for them because some either wrong or misguided reason (maybe they feel you're not the settling type and they are) and you try to show them that yes you are and no that's not your issue that's one thing. But the keep flattering them til they magically become interested is so much no.

It actually reminds me creepily of femShep sexually harassing James in the Citadel dlc, despite how uncomfortable and unwilling he clearly is. Then he eventually gives in and they sleep together, and he obviously regrets it afterwards. I really don't want something like that.

 

The latter suggestion is a little more appealing if handled right, like Vivienne initially rebuffing you because she thinks you're below her social status, before eventually deciding you're worth it after all.

[Ryzaki]

It actually reminds me creepily of femShep sexually harassing James in the Citadel dlc, despite how uncomfortable and unwilling he clearly is. Then he eventually gives in and they sleep together, and he obviously regrets it afterwards. I really don't want something like that.

 

The latter suggestion is a little more appealing if handled right, like Vivienne initially rebuffing you because she thinks you're below her social status, before eventually deciding you're worth it after all.

 

I heard that was bad but I never did it. Yikes that doesn't sound pleasant.

 

Yeah it's more about circumstances than the actual PC.

 

 

Yeah, it seems to me the main criticism is that so many people are interested in you, no matter what your personality is.

 

Couldn't this be solved in a less squick manner by simply having LIs reject you based off decisions you made in game? You can be physically attracted to someone and not want anything to do with them intimately because of their actions.

[Wulfram]

I do think it's a bit tough to really get right.  Having half the party just automatically want to get in the PC's pants isn't great, I don't think, but how to make the party members discriminating without it seeming "gamey" is tough.

[Former_Fiend]

Yeah, it seems to me the main criticism is that so many people are interested in you, no matter what your personality is.

 

This is why I've been calling for relationship gating based on personality and actions instead of gender and race. Alistair and Leliana should have broken it off with the Warden if they sacrificed those city elves for the health boost. Neither of them should be in a relationship with a blood mage warden(especially given what you originally had to do to get the blood magic specialty). Neither Anders or Fenris should be in a relationship with a blood mage Hawke. Fenris shouldn't be with a Hawke who treats with slavers, Anders shouldn't be with a Hawke who supports the templars. 

 

A person's values, their ideals, their beliefs, and their principles; these are the things that should govern whether or not someone is willing to be in a relationship with someone else. 

 

/end not entirely related tangent. 

 

But yea, if a potential LI is blatantly not into me, I'd probably take the hint and go find someone who's actually interested. 

[Ryzaki]

But yea, if a potential LI is blatantly not into me, I'd probably take the hint and go find someone who's actually interested. 

 

I liked that for this line alone

 

But yeah I like defrosting Ice kings but there has to be a level of interest in the beginning even if they reject the relationship for other reasons otherwise (They feel it makes them weak, its inappropriate for them to be with their boss, so on) it just...it feels a bit sad. And creepy if I'm to be honest.

 

I mean they need to like the protag intimately somewhat.

 

I tend to like the whole work for their approval better with mentor figures.