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The only game I've "left" is DA2. I like what the Isabela romance does for her character, but the Hawke I'm ultimately going to make canon just doesn't work with any of them. Plus, I like the idea that Hawke is left with no one to comfort her at the end, other than the return of her sister. Then, after the game, she goes off alone.
DA2 was weird for me since I know Merrills voice actress.Creepy Anders was really bad too.
More in a sense that the LI wouldn't instantly swoon over the protagonist when he/she shows interest, in a similar sense that whenever Hawke flirted with an companion, they melted. I would like to see an companion wanting you to be worth of their time before showing interest. Not falling for your charms the moment you crack them a smile. To me, that feels to easy, if not cheap. Of course, not every LI, everyone is different after all, but at least some of them.
I think this could work very well. You might be able to flirt with your LI but she/he might not be interested but when you get to know each others well then she/he could answer to your flirting. Or you could start as a friends and you could not initiate to romance until later.
Sort of this. I like your idea and would also step it up a bit. Romance is complicated in real life. As fun as the romance has been in all these bioware games...I am a bit of a realist. The character we play is the prime ALPHA in these games. Whatever the various LIs are, I sometimes wish they would make an offer, let us know what they have to bring into a relationship. Sometimes, the Romances seem robotic, and once you are locked into a relationship, you are locked into it. You don't get to experience whatever other characters have to offer.
What kind of offer are you talking about? I would also like to see that you could break up from your LI if you would like to do that. I propably wouldn't do that but if I would accidentaly end up in romance with somebody it would be nice to know that you can end it.
But you could flirt with them before their personal quests, and they would aways be over you when you did that. You can actually flirt with all of them when you first meet them, and they aways responded with interest. They barely know you and yet is all sunshine and butteflies.
And as for Origins, you can easily start an romance with the companions even if they are barely neutral just by selecting the right line. I got ninjamanced by Zevran just because I didn't wanted to be rude. They are too easy to impress and persuade. So you can romance any of them before their quests, they are just required for the culmination of the romance.
You got a slight reciprocation (and honestly Merrill completely ignored my Hawke hitting on her so much I thought I messed up til she came to the Manor). Also it's hardly all sunshine and butterflies admitting a physical attraction. Anders is blatant about his attraction to Hawke from the beginning, Fenris is drunk when you hit on him (the romance starter dialogue at least you can flirt before that but it won't initiate the romance til this conversation) and of course he'd be more open to being flirty then, Isabela is Isabela and I already mentioned Merrill.
True you could start a relationship. That's the same point where they don't even bother getting jealous for you doing the same to other companions. You could call it flirting and get the same result. As for being ninjamanced by Zevran how exactly? He's pretty blunt and I recall having a out that was a bit clumsy but still got my point across.
And considering I find the romance as a whole to be the romance and not just the start it starting with some consensual flirting is ideal to me.
Edited for my point to be clearer.
Now I'm fine with friends to lovers fine. But the cold aloof partner that's not interested with the other constantly working to get their attention because that's how you get people to be attracted to you makes me wanna gag.
I've played the game 5 times and still didn't know I could do any of this. My experience with bioware games has tended to be that if I don't pick a dialog option when I'm given the chance, I won't get that chance ever again. Maybe if they changed how they presented "camp dialog" that would be different. For instance, in DA:O, pretty much every time I click a companion to speak to them, I have the option to tell them to leave. If you always had an option to "tell someone what they mean to you," maybe I wouldn't feel like if I don't take the flirt options when they come up, I won't ever get to.
Yeah that's not the case at all in DAO. As long as you don't reject them you're good. There's romance starter dialogue sprinkled in most of the dialogue in game. The real cutoff point seems to be the final friendship dialogue you get.
Well you did not have to flirt with them that early if you dont want to. I think the mechanics is there for those who want faster romance progression. That's in dao anyway. In da2 I cant comment so much, as I did not like the system.But you could flirt with them before their personal quests, and they would aways be over you when you did that. You can actually flirt with all of them when you first meet them, and they aways responded with interest. They barely know you and yet is all sunshine and butteflies.
And as for Origins, you can easily start an romance with the companions even if they are barely neutral just by selecting the right line. I got ninjamanced by Zevran just because I didn't wanted to be rude. They are too easy to impress and persuade. So you can romance any of them before their quests, they are just required for the culmination of the romance.
Here are the DA:O/2 romance stats for the PS3 posted them on another thread but they are interesting and suprising.
Here are the stats for DA:O. DA2 took a while 'cause I had to make a call for the DA2 stuff.
Dragon Age Origins
Plat 1.4 %
First Knight (Alistair) 8.6%
Witch Gone Wild (Morrigan) 24% !
Easy Lover (Zevron) 10.1%
Wine Women Song 11.8% (suprised me)
Dragon Age 2.
Plat 1.4%
Romance 46.2%
Whats the wine women song?
Romance Leliana.
Whats the wine women song?
Leliana's romance achievement
edit: ninja'd
Whats the wine women song?
the achievement for romancing Leliana
HA double ninja'd 
I wish they had quirky achievements like that for the DA2 LIs. I wonder what Fenris would've been.
I wish they had quirky achievements like that for the DA2 LIs. I wonder what Fenris would've been.
Well you did not have to flirt with them that early if you dont want to. I think the mechanics is there for those who want faster romance progression. That's in dao anyway. In da2 I cant comment so much, as I did not like the system.
As with zev yeah he will flirt but thats how he is. But you can turn him down nicely without approval hit i think. But leli, oh god it was so buggy I was afraid if talking to her.
I think the point is that you can flirt with the potential LI in the beginning but that character is not interested in you. So it's not the same thing if you don't flirt at all.
broody lover :-)
I dont really see him as broody, but damned varric and his pet names. It got stuck on my head.
Hehe it would fit. Or Memory's Kiss for the flashbacks he gets afterwards? ho hum.
Women swooning and having broody babies in Fenris' honor 
Also Varric calling Aggressive Hawke Killer is pretty funny.
I think the point is that you can flirt with the potential LI in the beginning but that character is not interested in you. So it's not the same thing if you don't flirt at all.
Hehe it would fit. Or Memory's Kiss for the flashbacks he gets afterwards? ho hum.
Women swooning and having broody babies in Fenris' honor
Also Varric calling Aggressive Hawke Killer is pretty funny.
What male character could resist my female version of cassanova warden? :-(
Seriously I get it, and dont mind that system too if it fits the character. And not for the heck of it.
Blind and deaf character?
Or ... " Unchained Melody" After Isabela's conversation about fenris shackles!
Would fit that damn one woman wail he has going on in his theme song too...
Yeah, for me, it's gay > LGBT > homosexual > > > > > queer
I never really embraced queer. I get it's purpose, but I just don't use it (or like it) as a personal identifier.
I'm with you. I'm Bi, so I'm ok with being called bi, gay, or LGBT, but I absolutely roll my eyes at "queer." And I never let people call me straight, even though I'm married to a woman and have a kid.
Whats the wine women song?
Romance Leliana.
Back off of Allan, dude.You do not know me. Don't even pretend that you know me.
What you said was very disgusting.
I'm with you. I'm Bi, so I'm ok with being called bi, gay, or LGBT, but I absolutely roll my eyes at "queer." And I never let people call me straight, even though I'm married to a woman and have a kid.
LGBT is a generalized category, correct? Why would you allow someone to call you a transgender or lesbian? When it comes to the word 'queer', I completely agree that its an akward word. It does not sound right.
Wherein I tend to view people who think of queer as insulting as having not spent much time in academia, and the idea that I am "re-appropriating" a word that I've never seen as offensive strikes me as silly.
Every time Queer Theory was brought up in grad school, it caused my 40-something self to twitch with dislike. I grew up loathing that word, and I'm not generally a fan of reclaiming words that are hurtful. They will always hurt someone, and no amount of "reclaiming" will make that go away.
Which is not to say that others can't use the word; my reactions to it are my own problem. But they aren't caused by a lack of exposure.
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