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[Jasuke34]

Just gonna impart this life lesson. Life's not fair. it never will be fair. That's not how the world works. Deal with it and better yourself from it. The world will be a far better place with many exceptional people as opposed to entitled/mediocre people in large vocal groups.

 

Also while I recognize that some of the mentions are sarcasm....complaining that your sexual orientation is not represented more than another in a -video game- can hardly be constituted as suffering. Tell that to the repressed in the middle east. Or to the underground christian churches in china... Just trying to put things in perspective.

[JadePrince]

Maybe we should wait for the game to come out before we all jump on the "OMG OMG COME SEE THE OPPRESSION INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!" train.

 

I'm just saying.

 

But we're all bored and anxious waiting for news! We have to talk about SOMETHING.

[wright1978]

Wouldn't making the NPC bisexual give everyone the same number of choices? Granted, there's the problem of having only one LI in the party, but people might get disappointed by not having their favorite LI in the party regardless if they're straight, homosexual or bisexual.

I certainly wouldn't be celebrating everyone getting less companion li choice than da2.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Why not just make the characters playersexual? 

Because straight males.

[AkiKishi]

To be fair I have seen people on these boards legitimately arguing that straight players should have less options or that there should be more non-straight options than straight options to "make up for the past". 

 

It kind of jaded me about the whole thing, seeing that there were people on that side of the argument who were equally as bad as the people they were arguing against. In a way I sort of hoped those players would be stuck with only one option again, as horrible as it sounds. 

 

 

There is a really big thing being overlooked here though. In many cases straight relationships are about gameplay. In the case of Fire Emblem. It's how you get your next generation of party members. One of the few instances I actually care about romance because you can breed skills into your next generation from either parent.

 

Very few games really delve into multiple choice romance in a big way outside of this kind of gameplay element. 

 

Equal does not always mean fair, It just depends on what you are arguing at the time.

[The Elder King]

I certainly wouldn't be celebrating everyone getting less companion li choice than da2.

I'm not saying you should celebrate. I was talking about making things fair to everyone with this system and the NPC romances.

[jlb524]

 

So cullen and Scribe girl bi, Vivi gay, Cassandra straight, Solas (or IB or GW) gay, DHMG straight...I would like that. And it's fair enough you get one NPC choice and one companion choice.

 

not bad, not bad at all

[JadePrince]

Just gonna impart this life lesson. Life's not fair. it never will be fair. That's not how the world works. Deal with it and better yourself from it. The world will be a far better place with many exceptional people as opposed to entitled/mediocre people in large vocal groups.

 

Also while I recognize that some of the mentions are sarcasm....complaining that your sexual orientation is not represented more than another in a -video game- can hardly be constituted as suffering. Tell that to the repressed in the middle east. Or to the underground christian churches in china... Just trying to put things in perspective.

 

Maybe try to be a LITTLE less condescending? Believe me. I know life isn't fair. That doesn't mean people should stop trying to MAKE it MORE fair. Wow.

 

Also, can we not do that whole "There are children starving in Africa, stop complaining about your problems" thing? If you go down that road, there is ALWAYS gonna be someone worse off than you. So, what? Is the only person in the whole world allowed to complain the person who has it the very worst? 

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Wut. I just...wow. That's...something.
 
He does realize BW's games have been allowing you to pick your gender since BG right? That's...just such an odd thing to complain about. O_o

IKR, i said that several times but i don't think he'd ever played a BW game before & wouldn't accept it

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There is a really big thing being overlooked here though. In many cases straight relationships are about gameplay. In the case of Fire Emblem. It's how you get your next generation of party members. One of the few instances I actually care about romance because you can breed skills into your next generation from either parent.

 

Very few games really delve into multiple choice romance in a big way outside of this kind of gameplay element. 

 

Equal does not always mean fair, It just depends on what you are arguing at the time.

I like how people refer to the Fire Emblem franchise as doing this when the only games in the franchise that did is Geneology of the Holy War and Awakening. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

Just gonna impart this life lesson. Life's not fair. it never will be fair. That's not how the world works. Deal with it and better yourself from it. The world will be a far better place with many exceptional people as opposed to entitled/mediocre people in large vocal groups.

 

Also while I recognize that some of the mentions are sarcasm....complaining that your sexual orientation is not represented more than another in a -video game- can hardly be constituted as suffering. Tell that to the repressed in the middle east. Or to the underground christian churches in china... Just trying to put things in perspective.

Yet, I'm like 99.9% sure a lot of people play these games exactly to get away from the harsh reality of today's world.

 

I also don't see anyone talking about 'suffering' here.

[Eveangaline]

I like how people refer to the Fire Emblem franchise as doing this when the only game in the franchise that did is Awakening. 

 

No they also had it in Genealogy of the holy war. That one just never made it to the US (officially. There's fan translations out there). Plus in most Fire emblem games you can get some units married with enough supports, and it changes their endgame epilogue.

[AkiKishi]

I like how people refer to the Fire Emblem franchise as doing this when the only game in the franchise that did is Awakening. 

 

Might be the only one your aware of, but no. Phantasy Star also did it if you want another example. In cases of Fire Emblems that did not have that feature , there was no marriage/offspring element anyway. Romance was not a part of those games.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No they also had it in Genealogy of the holy war. That one just never made it to the US (officially. There's fan translations out there)

lol I was just editing that in when you posted.

[JadePrince]

Yet, I'm like 99.9% sure a lot of people play these games exactly to get away from the harsh reality of today's world.

 

I also don't see anyone talking about 'suffering' here.

 

I used the word "suffering" but I was quoting someone else. I wasn't using it seriously. It can be hard to follow these conversations and maintain the context of what's being said though. 

[Ryzaki]

IKR, i said that several times but i don't think he'd ever played a BW game before & wouldn't accept it

 

That's...yeah that's...something. LOL

 

not bad, not bad at all

 

Yep.

 

 

Yet, I'm like 99.9% sure a lot of people play these games exactly to get away from the harsh reality of today's world.

 

I also don't see anyone talking about 'suffering' here.

 

Yep.

 

And yeah my use of "suffer" was obviously sarcastic and saying that's exactly what wouldn't occur.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Might be the only one your aware of, but no. Phantasy Star also did it if you want another example. In cases of Fire Emblems that did not have that feature , there was no marriage/offspring element anyway. Romance was not a part of those games.

Sure there was. In a few FE games there was "Get Support up to A, they get a special Marriage Ending". 

[Iakus]

Yeah I think it could've been done if there wasn't NPC romances but with those =/

 

I still think NPC romances are a viable source.  Though they'd probably have to be structured differently than those of the companions, since there's likely to be less overall contact with them.

[AkiKishi]

Sure there was. In a few FE games there was "Get Support up to A, they get a special Marriage Ending". 

 

Could well be I don't recall any though outside of the two marriage based ones. I match people for the support stats first and foremost.

 

There's also Rune Factory and Harvest Moon although I don't recall the specific title.

[Ryzaki]

I still think NPC romances are a viable source.  Though they'd probably have to be structured differently than those of the companions, since there's likely to be less overall contact with them.

 

I haven't seen BW do NPC romances better or on the same lvl as their main companion romances but maybe DAI will prove me wrong I don't have high hopes though simply because to me all companion content adds to the romance. You can't really do that with a NPC. (Maybe a villian NPC romance because you could weave that into the plot as well but I highly doubt our advisors are the main villian). 

[JadePrince]

I still think NPC romances are a viable source.  Though they'd probably have to be structured differently than those of the companions, since there's likely to be less overall contact with them.

 

Yeah, I'm not ready to write NPC romances off yet, but I do hope that they balance it (with another NPC) for my straight female friends so they aren't the only ones with only one option for a companion LI (that is, if he's straight).

[jlb524]

I haven't seen BW do NPC romances better or on the same lvl as their main companion romances but maybe DAI will prove me wrong I don't have high hopes though simply because to me all companion content adds to the romance. You can't really do that with a NPC. (Maybe a villian NPC romance because you could weave that into the plot as well but I highly doubt our advisors are the main villian). 

 

I think NPC romances will be good in DA:I just not as good as companion ones b/c of the reasons you've given.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah, I'm not ready to write NPC romances off yet, but I do hope that they balance it (with another NPC) for my straight female friends so they aren't the only ones with only one option for a companion LI (that is, if he's straight).

Well, we know Cullen is a LI and we know Leliana is not, so that leaves Scribbles. It works. 

[Jagged Orchid]

I still think NPC romances are a viable source.  Though they'd probably have to be structured differently than those of the companions, since there's likely to be less overall contact with them.

 

And that is what worries me. NPC romances have yet to be on par with companion romances. Not being able to interact with an NPC as much as a companion tends to lessen the romance. At least this is try from past experience. Could DA:I prove me wrong? Yes. But that said, I'm not going to hold my breath. 

[wright1978]

I'm not saying you should celebrate. I was talking about making things fair to everyone with this system and the NPC romances.

Still hoping for 6 companion li's. Awful but fair approach using npc's is too bleak a scenario to capitulate too until fat lady has sung.