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[Todd23]

There's no "evidence" for sexuality ever. Sexuality is an invisible abstract. We shouldn't "consider" placing definitive labels on other people at all.

Except that most people are attracted to only one gender or another, and saying that someone is - for instance attracted to men and not women is in and of itself labeling. Labels exist for a reason, so while it may be bad to use those labels as an excuse to discriminate or treat some people as being inherently better than others, that doesn't make them any less true.

[Mockingword]

I think that's a bit subjective, though. Not all of us follow that as a 'fact'. I know I certainly don't, not with my sexuality.

It's not subjective. You can't know another person's sexuality. Unless you're actually psychic.

 

Of course you know your own sexuality. You are you.

[WildOrchid]

No, but only showing attraction for women and never showing attraction for men in the same circumstances is at least good enough evidence for people to consider him being straight, and definitely more so than any other person in the Inquisition (of which again, we know s***) because even though Cassandra has only showed interest in men so far she hasn't really been put in a proper circumstance to show or not show interest in women.

 

Cass didn't show any interest in men whatsoever.

If a kiss to a cheek is considered attraction, then well, f#ck. I'm straight.

[Mockingword]

Except that most people are attracted to only one gender or another, and saying that someone is - for instance attracted to men and not women is in and of itself labeling. Labels exist for a reason, so while it may be bad to use those labels as an excuse to discriminate or treat some people as being inherently better than others, that doesn't make them any less true.

Most people openly identify as only being attracted to one gender or another. Since you can't read their minds, you can't say what they actually feel.

 

It has nothing to do with discrimination. Assuming a label on behalf of someone else is just rude. You should let them tell you what their label is.

[Lebanese Dude]

I think that's a bit subjective, though. Not all of us follow that as a 'fact'. I know I certainly don't, not with my sexuality.

What I think he meant to say was that we can't make lists detailing expected sexual orientations when we don't know anything about the ones involved. The unfortunate implication is that we rely on stereotypes to make those lists reasonable.

[Lebanese Dude]

Most people openly identify as only being attracted to one gender or another. Since you can't read their minds, you can't say what they actually feel.

It has nothing to do with discrimination. Assuming a label on behalf of someone else is just rude. You should let them tell you what their label is.

Still I think this list is relatively harmless given they are fictional characters. Don't have to get riled up

[Han Yolo]

Sooo I really hope Sera is available for my Shining White Knight Goody Two Shoes Elf Prince Gentleman. She probably won't be impressed in the beginning but he will win her over eventually!

And if she's not interested I hope they make it so he still can woo her only to tragically get all his hopes crushed. Like with Aveline and Samantha.

[Mockingword]

Still I think this list is relatively harmless given they are fictional characters. Don't have to get riled up

I think the way people interpret fictional characters is very much tied in to their perceptions of real life.

 

In fact, I know that's the case, because nearly every single complaint about inclusivity in Dragon Age is based on the complainer's perception of "realism".

[Todd23]

Most people openly identify as only being attracted to one gender or another. Since you can't read their minds, you can't say what they actually feel.

It has nothing to do with discrimination. Assuming a label on behalf of someone else is just rude. You should let them tell you what their label is.

But how could they tell us if we're not psychic?

[Hellion Rex]

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[Wulfram]

What I think he meant to say was that we can't make lists detailing expected sexual orientations when we don't know anything about the ones involved. The unfortunate implication is that we rely on stereotypes to make those lists reasonable.

 

We're dealing with the fictional creations of other humans.  They are subject to pattern and stereotype in a way that real people are not, because their sexuality was assigned to them by conscious decision.  Though I'd be a a touch concerned if people turned out to be overly successful in their guesses, because of what it would suggest about Bioware's creation process.

[Farewell]

If the romance content could only be accessed by buing a DLC which would activate that feature would you buy that kind of DLC?

 

I would as soon as I could.

[AkiKishi]

If the romance content could only be accessed by buing a DLC which would activate that feature would you buy that kind of DLC?

 

I would as soon as I could.

 

That would be the best approach to romances all around.

[Kingthlayer]

If the romance content could only be accessed by buing a DLC which would activate that feature would you buy that kind of DLC?

 

I would as soon as I could.

 

No, DLC should be used to add additional content to a game months after it came out to breathe new life back into the game.  Not to block out parts of the game from people.

 

The romance content is fine, but I will not pay an extra penny to play through it.

[Shark17676]

Yes. There is no evidence to the fact that you could possibly like a dick in your mouth. 

There is no evidence that you are indefinitely currently choking on a dick.

 

Some folks forget that these forums have mods.

[jlb524]

What I think he meant to say was that we can't make lists detailing expected sexual orientations when we don't know anything about the ones involved. The unfortunate implication is that we rely on stereotypes to make those lists reasonable.

 

I rely on what BW has done in past games with similar things.

[wright1978]

No, DLC should be used to add additional content to a game months after it came out to breathe new life back into the game.  Not to block out parts of the game from people.

 

The romance content is fine, but I will not pay an extra penny to play through it.

 

Agree completely, no way romance content should be shunted off into DLC.

[Felya87]

If the romance content could only be accessed by buing a DLC which would activate that feature would you buy that kind of DLC?

 

I would as soon as I could.

why not? after all, romances are already a "bonus" content. Of course I hope this doesn't happen. but if a DLC like Citadel will be relaesed for DAI, I would surely buy it.

[Mockingword]

If the romance content could only be accessed by buing a DLC which would activate that feature would you buy that kind of DLC?

 

I would as soon as I could.

I wouldn't buy that game in the first place, so the DLC would be of no use to me.

[Felya87]

By Lady Aimo

        

 

beautiful 

[daveliam]

No, DLC should be used to add additional content to a game months after it came out to breathe new life back into the game.  Not to block out parts of the game from people.

 

The romance content is fine, but I will not pay an extra penny to play through it.

 

Totally agreed about this.

 

why not? after all, romances are already a "bonus" content. Of course I hope this doesn't happen. but if a DLC like Citadel will be relaesed for DAI, I would surely buy it.

 

I wouldn't mind a Citadel-esque DLC, but that should add on to the romances, not be the only way to access them.

[Kingthlayer]

why not? after all, romances are already a "bonus" content. Of course I hope this doesn't happen. but if a DLC like Citadel will be relaesed for DAI, I would surely buy it.

 

Citadel was a lot more than just romance content though.  It was also something that Mass Effect 3 needed, the Mass Effect 2 companions appearance in Mass Effect 3 was little more than a brief cameo appearance.  And they deserved so much more, Citadel delivered.

[Mockingword]

But how could they tell us if we're not psychic?

With their mouths.

 

You'll never know if they're telling the truth, of course. And that's just something you're going to have to learn to live with.

[AkiKishi]

The arguement for romance is as DLC is quite straightforward. People who want romances obviously want deep content. Romances as they are , are not that. No romance in a Bioware game has the impact of a canon romance in other games. 

At the same time people who don't give a rats about romances don't want Bioware spending time on them. DLC gives both sides what they want most.

[Hellion Rex]

The arguement for romance is as DLC is quite straightforward. People who want romances obviously want deep content. Romances as they are , are not that. No romance in a Bioware game has the impact of a canon romance in other games.

That is an entirely subjective argument. Heck, I think BioWare certainly has some better romances than other games out there.

 

At the same time, for some, the issue is that their romantic inclinations are NEVER represented in "canon romances" from other games.