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[pallascedar]

 

People are going to be disappointed.  There's no way around it with the "variety of sexualities" approach.  I really don't want Solas to be the gay guy, but I'm bracing for it.  I'll be happy either way because if Dorian isn't bi, then Cullen might be.  As long as I get either of them (or Varric or IB or Blackwall), I'll be okay.  I just don't Solas as the gay guy.  Please?

 

 

I think it's the "because he's gay" part that was the point.  But I understand your point.

 

And I don't want Dorian as the gay guy. Solas, at first view, strikes me as much more interesting . I'm sure I'll be happy either way, but the point is that no matter what happens somebody will be disappointed that they can't romance X with their chosen inquisitor.

 

 

Honestly the whole "well it's time you got the same treatment" is what made me raise a brow because honestly while fem PCs do have it better than gay males but we're still lagging behind straight male Pcs. So it really feels I don't know...it just feels like being irritated at the wrong group.

 

Well, it's more than likely to happen to straight men too (there will likely be an exclusively gay female character). I'll admit that I'm a little ashamed to be gleeful at the prospect. Having played all of Mass Effect and DA:O...getting left out stunk, and people made such a big kerfuffle about DA2 being all bi, that I'm looking forward to some people who have always had options realizing that it might stink a bit to miss out on something you wanted in a game.

 

It's kinda a crappy attitude, but I'm human and can't really help it. If a Bioware genie appeared in front of me and said "Kid, there will be two m/m romances in Dragon age, but you get to decide how many romances straight women get!" I would totally pick 2. It's not like straight women getting extra romance content hurts me. Heck it'd be good for me if I decided to play a straight female character. But I'm human and petty, so oh well.

 

 

All sexually ambiguous system > all other systems.

 

See, I don't like sexual ambiguity at all. I'm totally fine will all Love Interests being bisexual, and certainly it's okay for certain LIs to be sexually ambiguous. It wouldn't make sense for Fenris or Merrill to really talk about sexuality with Hawke. Sure, they're both bi, but I can't really imagine Fenris sharing his sexual feelings with Hawke and Merrill would at most say something adorably naive.

 

My issue is more with your statement than anything. If people don't want to romance Isabela, Zevran or Leliana because they're clearly bisexual instead of gay/straight, then I say that sucks for them. Bioware trying to create characters as "sexually ambiguous" gave us the Anders debaucle which I just kinda hated.

 

I'm not saying that characters should mention past sexual partners or overtly state their sexuality, some characters will remain sexually ambiguous because that's the nature of their character. But intentionally making bisexual characters sexually ambiguous to fulfill some people's fantasies... I just don't like it.

[syllogi]

Totally agreed, which is why I thought the reactions to that joke post seemed odd.  People seemed to take it really seriously.  It's like immediately several people responded with "Well, we've had it bad already."  I think the idea of turning it into a "who's had it worse" is a bad road to go down.

 

 

Sorry, it was 96%.  There have been 26 male LI's and only 1 has been an m/m exclusive. 

 

Bear in mind that people who play straight female characters are assumed to be mostly women, and thus their romances in video games are often belittled or taken less seriously by male fans on forums like this, and we're very used to guys thinking it's hilarious to wish that our romances all fail, our LIs are murdered, or otherwise taken away from us.  So that joke wasn't all that cute, from the point of view of someone who has seen similar sentiments expressed many, many times.  Being called "girlie" isn't my favorite thing in the world either...

[Sjofn]

Looks like Dorian is going to have to be the bisexual option because everyone wants that stache.  I'm fine with that.  I don't mind sharing.  I'd be super disappointed if Solas is gay though.  He's literally the only one of the male characters (besides Cole) who I'm not interested in.

 

Ha, I feel the same way about Solas, but I'm a straight woman, so I'm all "nnngh, please Lord don't make me have Cullen and Solas as my options." I can ... deal with those two (I have never ever ever understood the Cullen love) but with the other dudes RIGHT THERE being all MORE APPEALING at me, it would still make me sad.

 

And then I'd made a hot dude inquisitor and roll around in all the hot DHMG love (I refuse to believe a dude that hot is not a LI for ANYone. It is too cruel to contemplate.).

[Ryzaki]

Bear in mind that people who play straight female characters are assumed to be mostly women, and thus their romances in video games are often belittled or taken less seriously by male fans on forums like this, and we're very used to guys thinking it's hilarious to wish that our romances all fail, our LIs are murdered, or otherwise taken away from us.  So that joke wasn't all that cute, from the point of view of someone who has seen similar sentiments expressed many, many times.  Being called "girlie" isn't my favorite thing in the world either...

 

Yep. Or "you only play the games for the romances!" cause you know you can't like more than one thing about a game. *shakes head*

 

Ha, I feel the same way about Solas, but I'm a straight woman, so I'm all "nnngh, please Lord don't make me have Cullen and Solas as my options." I can ... deal with those two (I have never ever ever understood the Cullen love) but with the other dudes RIGHT THERE being all MORE APPEALING at me, it would still make me sad.

 

And then I'd made a hot dude inquisitor and roll around in all the hot DHMG love (I refuse to believe a dude that hot is not a LI for ANYone. It is too cruel to contemplate.).

 

XD I'm right here with you.

 

And yep same.

[Deviija]

Yep. Or "you only play the games for the romances!" cause you know you can't like more than one thing about a game. *shakes head*

 

 

Yeah, because dudes never play games with romances in them and are interested in playing out romance content, amirite.  That's why studios know not to make such content for that demographic.  It's not like Alpha Protocol or The Witcher series were exclusively set straight dude protagonists with a variety of women LIs.  Oh wait.  

[Ryzaki]

 

Well, it's more than likely to happen to straight men too (there will likely be an exclusively gay female character). I'll admit that I'm a little ashamed to be gleeful at the prospect. Having played all of Mass Effect and DA:O...getting left out stunk, and people made such a big kerfuffle about DA2 being all bi, that I'm looking forward to some people who have always had options realizing that it might stink a bit to miss out on something you wanted in a game.

 

It's kinda a crappy attitude, but I'm human and can't really help it. If a Bioware genie appeared in front of me and said "Kid, there will be two m/m romances in Dragon age, but you get to decide how many romances straight women get!" I would totally pick 2. It's not like straight women getting extra romance content hurts me. Heck it'd be good for me if I decided to play a straight female character. But I'm human and petty, so oh well.

 

True if I could choose I'd take DHMG and give you Solas **** you got mine as it were. I understand where you're coming from a bit I'm somewhat the same way.

 

 

Yeah, because dudes never play games with romances in them and are interested in playing out romance content, amirite.  That's why studios know not to make such content for that demographic.  It's not like Alpha Protocol or The Witcher series were exclusively set straight dude protagonists with a variety of women LIs.  Oh wait.  

 

Exactly. It's just...*sigh*

 

then there's always the assumption (particularly in MMOs) that mentioning you're female means you're an attention wh*** or want free things or trying to use that as an excuse or that you must be female because you're complaining about idiots being idiots in PVP (NVM that men do it just as often). (I did love owning him in 1 vs 1 5 times in a row on my assassin though. I was indeed a ****. One that was kicking his ass *and stole the node lololol*).

[Eveangaline]

I wonder if the demo tomorrow will show the Qunari Quizzy hitting on anyone. It could answer at least a few questions.

[Deviija]

 

then there's always the assumption (particularly in MMOs) that mentioning you're female means you're an attention wh*** or want free things or trying to use that as an excuse or that you must be female because you're complaining about idiots being idiots in PVP (NVM that men do it just as often).

 

Some of the *many* reasons why a lot of women do not disclose their gender in MMOs or competitive/cooperative online gaming.  Or use mics.  It is why two of my best friends play dude characters in these settings to "blend in" and not draw attention to themselves. :\

 

Hm, so are Cullen and Leliana the only characters to be in all three main games (so far)?  I don't count cameos.  Alistair?

[Maria Caliban]

...I'm looking forward to some people who have always had options realizing that it might stink a bit to miss out on something you wanted in a game.

Let's not kid ourselves. If straight dudes miss out on a romance, it will be with a non-companion character who has no importance to the plot.

[The Elder King]

Let's not kid ourselves. If straight dudes miss out on a romance, it will be with a non-companion character who has no importance to the plot.

As a straight male, I really hope you're wrong.

[illymiel]

Funny me. Now I see all our party members, and no one strikes me. Can't say " I want to romance charater X pls let he be LI"

 

Some of them will be good friends, and just can't imagine they can become love to my qizzy. Like Varric or Iron bull. Some of them seems like dad or mentor Blackwall for example. Solas and DHMG, well may be, but I never found mustache or bald heads attractive. Never was Cullen fun, he looks fine, but just don't feel anything when look at him.

 

When I think about that it makes me sad, I start to think, how my quizzy will feel forevealone? But I just remembered Carth from KoTR. He is far from what real me thinks about good second half, he is old, grumpy, with that beard ( hate beards ) and bad hairstyle, wears simple clothes and looks like simple male from streets. But Damn, I really enjoy my PC romance with him. I don't know how Bio manage to create such a character, must be magic.

 

After such memories I'm not sure now. I might don't like balds males, or someone that looks like Autolycus from Xena, but they can be magnificent characters my PC can't resist. Because of that, let's drop that depressive thoughts about " Character X would not be romanceable I would cry " And think about that Bioware have some secret magic, that can turn someone, whom you would not notice for the first time, to your best romance adventure ever.

 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Let's not kid ourselves. If straight dudes miss out on a romance, it will be with a non-companion character who has no importance to the plot.

Which romance option with importance to the plot did the straight female miss out on? 

[Nika]

Which romance option with importance to the plot did the straight female miss out on? 

Morrigan?

Though I personally don't care, like her better as a friend

[EmperorSahlertz]

Morrigan?

Though I personally don't care, like her better as a friend

In that case the straight male missed out on Alistair..

 

It just seems that Ms. Caliban thinks that somehow the straight male is being catered to in the romance department. Even though off the top of my head, I cannot come up with any romance option that the straight female missed out on either. Meaning that it is the straight population that is being "catered" to, and not just the straight male.

[WildOrchid]

^Mass Effect was pretty much a harem for the straight dude. More options, his LI's could be faithful and alive.

[EmperorSahlertz]

^Mass Effect was pretty much a harem for the straight dude. More options, his LI's could be faithful and alive.

So that the story doesn't pan out happily now means that there were more straight men romance options available?

 

Kaiden, Thane, Garrus, Jacob

 

Liara, Ashley, Tali, Miranda, Jack

 

There was a whooping ONE more available option. Practically a harem indeed.

 

True the male romances did have more happy endings, but that has NOTHING to do with the availability.

[FrayedThread]

^Mass Effect was pretty much a harem for the straight dude. More options, his LI's could be faithful and alive.

Yeah, Thane dies & Jacob cheats. If Garrus wasn't romanced in ME2 that left only Kaidan, who may not even be alive given whatever happened in Virmire or the Coup.
Thankfully Dragon Age is a lot better with equality in romances, I just hope that it continues.

[Maferath]

edit: disregard comment

[EmperorSahlertz]

Yeah, Thane dies & Jacob cheats. If Garrus wasn't romanced in ME2 that left only Kaidan, who may not even be alive given whatever happened in Virmire or the Coup.
Thankfully Dragon Age is a lot better with equality in romances, I just hope that it continues.

Yeah... God FORBID that the consequences of your choices prevent you from getting laid.....

[javeart]

In that case the straight male missed out on Alistair..

 

It just seems that Ms. Caliban thinks that somehow the straight male is being catered to in the romance department. Even though off the top of my head, I cannot come up with any romance option that the straight female missed out on either. Meaning that it is the straight population that is being "catered" to, and not just the straight male.

 

It's not the same missing on Morrigan than missing on Alistair, though. If you're a female warden you have to make someone else sleep wiith her to have the ritual done (and that someone doesn't want to and can be your LI), while if you're a male warden, you can be king by yourself, you don't need marrying Alistair. Idon't care about plot relevance, but Id rather sleep with Morrigan myself instead of forcing Alistair to than dealing with "Alistair is going to be king, can we still be together?"

[EmperorSahlertz]

It's not the same missing on Morrigan than missing on Alistair, though. If you're a female warden you have to make someone else sleep wiith her to have the ritual done (and that someone doesn't want to and can be your LI), while if you're male warden, you can be king, you don't need marrying Alistair. Idon't care about plot relevance, but Id rather sleep with Morrigan myself instead of forcing Alistair to than dealing with "Alistair is going to be king, can we still be together?"

So somehow the complications of the plot again means that the men have it "easier". Yes, if you actually romance Morrigan the decision is easier. Of course it is. That still deosn't mean that there were three available romances to both genders.

[FrayedThread]

Yeah... God FORBID that the consequences of your choices prevent you from getting laid.....

The point is that the femshep got the short end of the stick compared to mshep. It's not so much to do with choices made but the fact that two options get taken away no matter what you do.

 

The other two games were equal but ME3 screwed up.

[javeart]

So somehow the complications of the plot again means that the men have it "easier". Yes, if you actually romance Morrigan the decision is easier. Of course it is. That still deosn't mean that there were three available romances to both genders.

 

I was more trying to argue in favor of the " straight male is being catered to in the romance department"  hypothesis, because I think they are, maybe not in numbers, but in quality

 

edit: maybe not in quality, but in consideration for their satisfaction

[EmperorSahlertz]

The point is that the femshep got the short end of the stick compared to mshep. It's not so much to do with choices made but the fact that two options get taken away no matter what you do.

 

The other two games were equal but ME3 screwed up.

The only real screw up was Jacob if you ask me. According to my friend (I always play mShep) Thane's death (while the cutscene was subpar) invested her far more into the story, since now it became a quest for vengeance. It was impactful. It might not be a happy end, but then again, you shouldn't feel entitled to a happy ending in a dark space opera...

[FrayedThread]

The only real screw up was Jacob if you ask me. According to my friend (I always play mShep) Thane's death (while the cutscene was subpar) invested her far more into the story, since now it became a quest for vengeance. It was impactful. It might not be a happy end, but then again, you shouldn't feel entitled to a happy ending in a dark space opera...

Hmm, I guess everyone has their own opinion on how things played out. Personally, I wasn't happy at all with what happened (never romanced Jacob, but I had Thane) and I know that many others weren't as well. I understand the "quest for vengeance" thing, but for me, it's the only thing left of the romance - and it was entirely unsatisfying. Granted Jack and Miranda didn't get much content but you could argue that they were better than what femshep got.
Anyway, this a DA discussion thread, and I don't want to go off-topic