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Two things: Dragon Age isn't Mass Effect, talking about the shitty things the ME did in reference to a DA game doesn't really get us anywhere. Everyone agrees that straight women had it significantly worse than straight men in the romance department.
So being able to pay even more money in order to give the relationship a satisfactory conclusion makes it acceptable?
I can only imagine the rage that would be here if it was the other way around and female or homosexual male players had to purchase DLC in order for one of their LI's not to leave them forever.
Acceptable no but trying to say they're on the same level is meh. (besides you can easily get the ultimate edition of DAO now which has that bundled). Even when Morrigan did leave the PC can infer he would've gone after her WH is just the epilogue to that. (Also WH can be played by anyone. The whole DLC's selling point was chasing Morrigan female, male, romance, hostile all can play and there's variations to show that.)
You have to make Alistair do the DR, not make alistair king (or if you do follow certain dialogue choiecs) to get a decent ending with Alistair.
To get a decent ending with Morrigan? Romance her, do the DR then do WH.
Oh there would be but dlc changing the story a bit or giving extra content isn't something new.
Then how are bisexuals faring? The romances aren't made for every person to be happy with them. We find different things attractive and interesting, what else can you do?. Love the romances in Bioware games, it makes the world feel abit more human for a lack of a better term.
Two things: Dragon Age isn't Mass Effect, talking about the shitty things the ME did in reference to a DA game doesn't really get us anywhere. Everyone agrees that straight women had it significantly worse than straight men in the romance department.
Second: I don't really see how you can bring up Alistair and not Morrigan. Morrigan leaves you no matter what. Heck, it's worse. Alistair leaves the Warden because, the way he sees it, they can't be together. It's easy to look at Morrigan's actions as betrayal, which is much worse in my mind.And I understand the complaints about Alistair leaving the warden. But in order for him to leave you, you have to make him king, more or less against his will. Alistair would have been much happier with Anora as queen. The Dragon Age world hates mages and elves. I really don't think you can be upset that the King wouldn't think it wise to be in a relationship with a mage or elf (or dwarf). It would have been nice if the game had prefaced the king decision with this though, so it doesn't come as as a surprise. If your chief complaint is that you aren't given any warning...then I misunderstood you and I agree. Sorry.
I'll admit, I only romanced Alistair once, and that Warden made Anora queen and didn't perform the dark ritual, so maybe because I haven't experience it I don't understand the emotional impact of the decision.
I agree about the first part, but ME and DA were already mixed in the conversation and I just went along with it 
Still, I think DAO it's not absolutelly fair, as I said before, because to me having Morrigan as LI makes things easier and having Alistair as LI makes them harder. And, yes, you're right, you can just not make Alistair king and that's it. lanamus pointed that to me before, and you're both right (btw, it's funny I forgot because I like it better not making it king, whether I romance him or nor 
). But, yes, I still think it's easier to forsee that Morrigan it's going to leave you if you don't help her (she tells you directly) so at least you have the chance to avoid it. Something like that for Alistair would have been nice.
In the case of Thane dying, well that's life.
Jacob probably reflects badly on men more than anything. It happens so you can hardly be over critical.
Things won't always work out, in fact over the games, it rarely does.
Leliana is no longer with the Warden.Ditto with Morrigan, Hawkes buggered off somewhere unknown.
Bioware does romances, they don't do fantasy romances where you get what you want every time.
Reading the posts here, it seems evident that everyone DOESN'T agree that straight women have had anything significantly worse in romance or gaming
Sometimes I like to pretend like those people aren't posting >_>.
You have to make Alistair do the DR, not make alistair king (or if you do follow certain dialogue choiecs) to get a decent ending with Alistair.
To get a decent ending with Morrigan? Romance her, do the DR then do WH.
I'd say that the ability to get Alistairs "best ending" in the base game immediately makes it better than Morrigans situation. It's not just the extra cost that needs to be taken into account, but also the waiting period.
If you wanted to get Alistairs best ending all you had to do was replay the game and choose different options (assuming you hadn't worked out how to get it already) but if you wanted Morrigans you had to not only pay extra money but also wait 10 months.
So I'd say those who romanced Morrigan had a far harder time than those who romanced Alistair. Particularly considering human noble females not only had the ability to keep the relationship by having Anora take the throne but also to become queen.
It was funnier before you edited it to 10 months.
I'd say that the ability to get Alistairs "best ending" in the base game immediately makes it better than Morrigans situation. It's not just the extra cost that needs to be taken into account, but also the wait period.
If you wanted to get Alistairs best ending all you had to do was replay the game and choose different options (assuming you hadn't worked out how to already) but if you wanted Morrigans you had to not only pay extra money but also wait 9 months.
So I'd say those who romanced Morrigan had a far harder time than those who romanced Alistair. Particularly considering human noble females not only had the ability to keep the relationship by having Anora take the throne but also to become queen.
But in the end Morrigan's situation ends up being superior. Yes they had to wait...and they got the best outcome as a result of that waiting.
It's not really a harder time waiting for DLC. And if you compare the romances in their final state now Morrigan's is clearly superior.
What? You mean that mistress ending that you had to pick one specific dialogue choice to even get? A choice that actually is pretty callous? If one followed a guide yeah but otherwise...
And the becoming Queen I'll give you but you had to have rolled a female HN to get it.
And yeah you can always just have Alistair stay a warden...
Then be stuck infertile and have him have his only child with a woman he hates.
Yay?
I'm going to have to agree with Ianamus on this one.
When I first played Origins I had no idea Witch Hunt would be a thing. I had no reason to believe or expect they'd release a DLC to give that romance a happy ending.
People who romanced Alistair had perfectly viable options for a happy ending in the main game. There was no uncertainty about it.
Sometimes I like to pretend like those people aren't posting >_>.
I'm going to have to agree with Ianamus on this one.
When I first played Origins I had no idea Witch Hunt would be a thing. I had no reason to believe or expect they'd release a DLC to give that romance a happy ending.
People who romanced Alistair had perfectly viable options for a happy ending in the main game. There was no uncertainty about it.
? baby with the soul of an old god that you have no influence over whatsoever isn't uncertainty now?
Happish ending is the best you're getting with Alistair. And there's always waiting for that anvil to drop. (especially if you stay in the wardens with them suspicious as to how the two of you survived).
hell you can't even do the US without him butting in (even if you have freaking forcefield as a mage)! Your PC stares at him like an idiot smiles and kisses him and let's him steal her kill no matter how much sense it makes for said PC.
? baby with the soul of an old god that you have no influence over whatsoever isn't uncertainty now?
Happish ending is the best you're getting with Alistair. And there's always waiting for that anvil to drop.
At that point, you're just looking for things to complain about.
Dark Ritual doesn't enter into the discussion of getting a happy ending. Because with that in mind, all the endings are bitter sweet. Refuse to do the dark ritual with Alistair or Morrigan; the former, one of you dies, the latter, she leaves you flat. Refuse to do with with Zevran or Leliana and maybe you get to live happily ever after, but your comrade in arms sacrificed his life for you to get that chance.
And if you do it, that pall of "baby with the soul of an old god that you have no influence over whatsoever" hangs over you no matter what. It isn't any less of a concern in a Morrigan romance.
Happy endings are okay in romances...if they work. The same with romances that end unhappily.
Personally I dont like it when a romance ends sadly just for cheap drama points.
Or ends happily just to appease people.
Now that being said I dont like sad endings in a game romance cause it makes it feel rather worthless.
Like the ending for Viconia's romance in BG2.
Yes I did all this work...then she dies from poison in the ending and my Bhaalspawn goes to war....really? I know its the writers prerogative on how things end but its also my choice to do a romance or not.
From a story standpoint they can be bittersweet and fit with characters.
From a gameplay standpoint they just leave me feeling like I wasted my time.
At that point, you're just looking for things to complain about.
Dark Ritual doesn't enter into the discussion of getting a happy ending. Because with that in mind, all the endings are bitter sweet. Refuse to do the dark ritual with Alistair or Morrigan; the former, one of you dies, the latter, she leaves you flat. Refuse to do with with Zevran or Leliana and maybe you get to live happily ever after, but your comrade in arms sacrificed his life for you to get that chance.
And if you do it, that pall of "baby with the soul of an old god that you have no influence over whatsoever" hangs over you no matter what. It isn't any less of a concern in a Morrigan romance.
Uh...it kind of does to me in a comparison of the Morrigan's romance and Alistair's romance being happy endings. One requires you to have a child with your LI the other have your LI have a child with someone he hates.
It's not less of a concern when you go into the portal and raise the baby with her? Really?
Originally yeah it was but as I said WH removes alot of the issues with the Morriganmance. That's what I started from. I don't know why you keep trying to nullify what WH does when that's the heart of my argument. Yeah Morrigan's romance sucked originally but even then there was the whole "I'm going after her." tidbit with WH though? It's a much easier good outcome than Alistair's.
And if I had to wait 9 months to get a WHish like romance while someone else had a Alistair one yeah I'd be a bit annoyed at first but at the end I'd have the better outcome.
Uh...it kind of does to me in a comparison of the Morrigan's romance and Alistair's romance being happy endings.
It's not less of a concern when you go into the portal and raise the baby with her? Really?
Originally yeah it was but as I said WH removes alot of the issues with the Morriganmance. That's what I started from. I don't know why you keep trying to nullify what WH does when that's the heart of my arguement.
Except for the fact that as soon as you walk through that portal, the Warden is completely out of your control and in Bioware's. You, the player, no longer have any ability to influence the course of that story. For all you know, walking through that portal is giving in to the dark side.
So yes, there is a lot of uncertainty there.
Funny me. Now I see all our party members, and no one strikes me. Can't say " I want to romance charater X pls let he be LI"
Some of them will be good friends, and just can't imagine they can become love to my qizzy. Like Varric or Iron bull. Some of them seems like dad or mentor Blackwall for example. Solas and DHMG, well may be, but I never found mustache or bald heads attractive. Never was Cullen fun, he looks fine, but just don't feel anything when look at him.
When I think about that it makes me sad, I start to think, how my quizzy will feel forevealone? But I just remembered Carth from KoTR. He is far from what real me thinks about good second half, he is old, grumpy, with that beard ( hate beards ) and bad hairstyle, wears simple clothes and looks like simple male from streets. But Damn, I really enjoy my PC romance with him. I don't know how Bio manage to create such a character, must be magic.
After such memories I'm not sure now. I might don't like balds males, or someone that looks like Autolycus from Xena, but they can be magnificent characters my PC can't resist. Because of that, let's drop that depressive thoughts about " Character X would not be romanceable I would cry " And think about that Bioware have some secret magic, that can turn someone, whom you would not notice for the first time, to your best romance adventure ever.
How can you judge characters when we know so little about them. I know this is a novel concept but how about playing the game first before coming to conclusion.
I heard this same thing said with DA2 too and the people who complained before the game was out ended up admitting to liking them. You might end up doing the same. 
Except for the fact that as soon as you walk through that portal, the Warden is completely out of your control and in Bioware's. You, the player, no longer have any ability to influence the course of that story. For all you know, walking through that portal is giving in to the dark side.
So yes, there is a lot of uncertainty there.
You say that like it's any different after the coronation for any other warden. Once the game ended the Warden is in BW's control.
I think there are so many ways that Alistair romance can go wrong comparing to other romances. First thing is that If you make him a king and you aren't noble, but if I you are then you need high persuation skills to make him marry you. Of course you can avoid this by not making him a king. You can't also recruit Loghain because then Alistair leaves. Then there is also the DR which is not nice. I'm not sure but is it possible for you to fail if your persuation skills are too low?
I think the case with Leliana is that you just can't poison the ashes? I'm not sure but I always think that she is with warden even if we see her alone. If you don't kill Zevran then everything will be ok because you propably have high approval with him and he doesn't betray you. I always thought that Morrigan has to leave so she leaves you but there is a chance that you will be together in the future which will happen in WH.
You want a happy ending with an LI, here is what you do:
1) Role with a male PC (CE, Dalish, either dwarf, or a non-ambitious HN)
2) Befriend both Alistair and Morrigan
3) Choose Zevran as your LI
4) Harden Alistair, and make him King.
5) Play the full Zev romance arc (get the ring offer for a second time, yada-yada)
6) Have your male PC sleep with Morrigan
7) Everyone lives, now go on an adventure with Zev.
I prefer mine. XD Works with both genders and no need for a friendship with Morrigan.
1. Harden Leliana
2. Romance Leliana
3. Harden Alistair
4. Convince Alistair to marry Anora
5. Recruit Loghain, Alistair becomes king
6. Laugh at Morrigan when she offers the DR
7. Have Loghain sacrifice himself
8. Pick riches and get his lands
You say that like it's any different after the coronation for any other warden. Once the game ended the Warden is in BW's control.
My point is that while the nature of the uncertainties and compromises you have to make is different between the romances, they aren't lesser or greater than one another.
I wouldn't mind the argument that Morrigans romance is "superior" to Alistairs in this regard if I wasn't 90% sure that if the genders and romance paths were flipped entirely suddenly the romance with the DLC wait and extra cost would be "worse".
It just feels like "whichever one the female PC gets" has to be made to sound like the one that is worse-off to prove a point, when it really isn't.
I thought the original comment that set this all off was about the quality/quantity of female options male PCs get vs. female options for female PCs?
I prefer mine. XD Works with both genders and no need for a friendship with Morrigan.
1. Harden Leliana
2. Romance Leliana
3. Harden Alistair
4. Convince Alistair to marry Anora
5. Recruit Loghain, Alistair becomes king
6. Laugh at Morrigan when she offers the DR
7. Have Loghain sacrifice himself
8. Pick riches and get his lands
), and I still haven't been able to romance Leliana. Just not my cup o tea. Still, can't deny that your method has fun RP prospects.
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