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[pallascedar]

Ignoring them may work for you, but don't knock those who still want to argue for egalitarianism?

 

Eh, my point about ME was twofold. First off, this isn't a ME forum, and to be honest I don't really see too much of a reason to discuss ME here. The writing and development teams are different and I don't think the DA team should be responsible for the actions of the ME team.

 

Secondly, all you have to do to say that ME was "worse" for straight women romance-wise is list romances and numbers. It seems harder to argue for me. I feel pretty comfortable ignoring a lot of the posts about why Jacob "wasn't so bad" just because it isn't worth arguing to me.

[Ryzaki]

My point is that while the nature of the uncertainties and compromises you have to make is different between the romances, they aren't lesser or greater than one another. 

 

While I disagree with that so ymmv and all *shrugs*

 

 

I thought the original comment that set this all off was about the quality/quantity of female options male PCs get vs. female options for female PCs?

 

Yep.

 

 

I wouldn't mind the argument that Morrigans romance is "superior" to Alistairs in this regard if I wasn't 90% sure that if the genders and romance paths were flipped entirely suddenly the romance with the DLC wait and extra cost would be "worse". 

 

It just feels like "whichever one the female PC gets" has to be made to sound like the one that is worse-off to prove a point, when it really isn't. 

 

Probably because male's tend to get it better than females when it comes to romances. So it finally being different doesn't bother me.

 

 

LOL Ryzaki. Fair enough. I was going for the ultra happy-sappy, everybody getting along (well, as best as they can ), and I still haven't been able to romance Leliana. Just not my cup o tea. Still, can't deny that your method has fun RP prospects.

 

XD I thought this ending was happy. Alistair's alive and not a drunk, Loghain died defending Fereldan like he wanted, Anora has Alistair to balance out her rule, there's no OGB hanging over my warden's head, Fereldan gets beloved monarchs, among other things. Felt really close to a golden ending to me since even alistair seems to be getting over his HOW COULD YOU moment at the landsmeet (if you didn't romance him anyway).

[Farewell]

I wouldn't mind the argument that Morrigans romance is "superior" to Alistairs in this regard if I wasn't 90% sure that if the genders and romance paths were flipped entirely suddenly the romance with the DLC wait and extra cost would be "worse". 

 

It just feels like "whichever one the female PC gets" has to be made to sound like the one that is worse-off to prove a point, when it really isn't. 

I wouldn't have minded that I would had to wait for a DLC where you could have found a cure for Thane or have romance similar than Morrigan and warden.

[Ianamus]

I wouldn't have minded that I would had to wait for a DLC where you could have found a cure for Thane or have romance similar than Morrigan and warden.

 

To put it in the perspective of Inquisition, if my only options with Cassandra were:

 

• A plot-relevant romance path where it is difficult to get a "good" ending, but entirely possible to get a happy, satisfying ending on all Inquisitors if you pick the right options.

 

or

 

• A plot relevant romance where she leaves you at the end of the game no matter what, ending the romance on a sour note. But a paid, mediocre DLC 10 months down the line will end with a brief conversation with her where things can be set straight. 

 

I would choose the first, easily. And I really have to question if anyone would honestly prefer the second, or if they are just saying that because it supports their argument.

[Ryzaki]

Someone who probably doesn't mind waiting or would do other romances first. Or actually liked the bittersweetness of Morrigan's original romance ending. You know the romance where she begs for you to release her and you don't?

 

Also a bittersweet note isn't sour.

 

Though do tell me what I'd actually want that always supports your argument.

[jlb524]

 

To put it in the perspective of Inquisition, if my only options with Cassandra were:

 

• A plot-relevant romance path where it is difficult to get a "good" ending, but entirely possible to get a happy, satisfying ending on all Inquisitors if you pick the right options.

 

 

I think this glosses over what the issue is (from what I understand from his fans...I don't romance Alistair and don't want to).

 

What if you had to convince Cassandra to sleep with a guy she hated and have his Old God Baby just so both of you can survive?

 

I'd prefer the 'she leaves' option...there's always room for a good head-canon reunion at least.

[illymiel]

How can you judge characters when we know so little about them. I know this is a novel concept but how about playing the game first before coming to conclusion.

 

I heard this same thing said with DA2 too and the people who complained before the game was out ended up admitting to liking them. You might end up doing the same.

 

That's just what I was trying to say, that right now I don't like anyone. But after release i might like someone. I know, that's because of my horrible english grammar. The whole story was about people who like someone ( Iron bull for example ) and they will be sad if he is not romanceable. When I wrote a post thread was a bit depressed. Was just trying to say, may be people would like anyone else if their favorite not romanceable.

 

Sorry for my english, all these past, future and present time in english killing me

[Ryzaki]

 

 

 

I think this glosses over what the issue is (from what I understand from his fans...I don't romance Alistair and don't want to).

 

What if you had to convince Cassandra to sleep with a guy she hated and have his Old God Baby just so both of you can survive?

 

I'd prefer the 'she leaves' option...there's always room for a good head-canon reunion at least.

 

 

There's also at the coronation the Warden can express the whole "I'm going to go find Morrigan" thing along with her emotion detecting ring.

 

If I could pick the Loghain ending and get a eventually get back together ending with Alistair hell yeah I'd pick that in a heartbeat.

[Ianamus]

 

 

 

I think this glosses over what the issue is (from what I understand from his fans...I don't romance Alistair and don't want to).

 

What if you had to convince Cassandra to sleep with a guy she hated and have his Old God Baby just so both of you can survive?

 

I'd prefer the 'she leaves' option...there's always room for a good head-canon reunion at least.

 

 

If Cassandra had to actually carry the baby for 9 months then it would be a different matter, but if she only had to sleep with the person for one night like Alistair did then... yeah, I think I'd still vastly prefer that to the DLC treatment. 

 

This is getting a bit abstract though, the bottom line is that romances in Dragon Age have been equal between the genders for the most part, so Mass Effect 3- based doomsaying is really innappropriate.

[Farewell]

To put it in the perspective of Inquisition, if my only options with Cassandra were:

 

• A plot-relevant romance path where it is difficult to get a "good" ending, but entirely possible to get a happy, satisfying ending on all Inquisitors if you pick the right options.

 

or

 

• A plot relevant romance where she leaves you at the end of the game no matter what, ending the romance on a sour note. But a paid, mediocre DLC 10 months down the line will end with a brief conversation with her where things can be set straight. 

 

I would choose the first, easily. And I really have to question if anyone would honestly prefer the second, or if they are just saying that because it supports their argument.

Well if we talk about Alistair and warden romance then there isn't any satisfying ending at least for me. I don't like that he has to sleep with Morrigan. If that wouldn't happen then I would call that romance satisfying even if it would be hard to achieve. What comes to Morrigan and warden they don't have that thing. Of course you'll have to do to DR for yourself but that wouldn't be a problem for me because she would be my LI and of course I would do that thing for her.  Of course she leaves but I think she really doesn't have a choice in that and then there is a reunion in WH.

[jlb524]

If Cassandra had to actually carry the baby for 9 months then it would be a different matter, but if she only had to sleep with the person for one night like Alistair did then... yeah, I think I'd still vastly prefer that to the DLC treatment. 

 

 

Oh sure it would...that's why it sucks.  It's not less sucky that Alistair has to have someone else's baby (even if he's not carrying it)...add on to that, the female Warden is supposed to be infertile.  So, lets add on 'infertile male Inquisitor can't ever have a baby with Cassandra' to the original scenario.

 

 

 

This is getting a bit abstract though, the bottom line is that romances in Dragon Age have been equal between the genders for the most part, so Mass Effect 3- based doomsaying is really innappropriate.

 

The original point was about what straight guys get vs. what lesbians get with female LIs (which hasn't been equal except DA2) so I'm not even sure why this is about Morrigan vs. Alistair.

[Ianamus]

Well if we talk about Alistair and warden romance then there isn't any satisfying ending at least for me. I don't like that he has to sleep with Morrigan. If that wouldn't happen then I would call that romance satisfying even if it would be hard to achieve. What comes to Morrigan and warden they don't have that thing. Of course you'll have to do to DR for yourself but that wouldn't be a problem for me because she would be my LI and of course I would do that thing for her.  Of course she leaves but I think she really doesn't have a choice in that and then there is a reunion in WH.

 

All of the issues with Alistairs romance, as far as I'm concerned, would be solved by simply being able to recruit Loghain and have him kill the archdemon as an alternative to taking the dark ritual. 

 

Although that being said I really love the dramatic aspect of "We're in love but one of us has to die to stop the blight", that is a really chilling revelation that wouldn't be out of place at the climax of a really good novel. The fact that Alistair always takes the kill if you take him along only adds to the hearbreak! 

 

Actually, as horrible as it sounds, I actually think that all of that makes it a better romance, and one that should be seen as a standard for future romances to follow. It is possible to have a happier ending if you are willing to sacrifice some things, but if you aren't then it reaches a really chilling and heart-wrenching end. That's the sort of thing I want to see more of, because it's the hallmark of an incredibly well written romance in my opinion. 

 

After thinking about it over it only gives me more respect and appreciation for Alistairs romance path, not less. 

[Farewell]

All of the issues with Alistairs romance, as far as I'm concerned, would be solved by simply being able to recruit Loghain and have him kill the archdemon as an alternative to taking the dark ritual.

I agree.

[Hellion Rex]

THEY SAID THIS IS THE MOST THEY HAVE EVER DONE FOR NUMBER OF ROMANCES.

[Eveangaline]

"The most romances we've done in a bioware game"

Wasn't expecting that

 

Having not played mass effect, what's the number to beat?

[pallascedar]

THEY SAID THIS IS THE MOST THEY HAVE EVER DONE FOR NUMBER OF ROMANCES.

 

How many seconds did it take you to post this ? Just curious.

[Fiery Phoenix]

"The most romances we've done in a bioware game"

Wasn't expecting that

I have been expecting it all along, myself.

[Ryzaki]

THEY SAID THIS IS THE MOST THEY HAVE EVER DONE FOR NUMBER OF ROMANCES.

 

That would fit in with six. More than the five from DA2.

 

There's no way they can be including ME3 in that. That was 9 romances. (if you included the continuations). There's just no way.

 

NOPE. I REFUSE TO GET HYPED.

[Eveangaline]

That would fit in with six. More than the five from DA2.

 

There's no way they can be including ME3 in that. That was 9 romances. (if you included the continuations). There's just no way.

 

NOPE. I REFUSE TO GET HYPED.

 

They said "In a bioware game" so I would assume ME has to be included

[Isaidlunch]

"The most romances we've done in a bioware game"

Wasn't expecting that

 

More romances than TOR? They sure have their work cut out for them.

 

Guessing they meant ME & DA. Vivienne, Varric & Iron Bull seem much more more likely now.

[Knight of Dane]

More romances than TOR? They sure have their work cut out for them.

 

Guessing they meant ME & DA. Vivienne, Varric & Iron Bull seem much more more likely now.

How many did that have?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So if this is the most romances in any Bioware game, and ME3 had 10 that granted the Paramour achievement, geez.

[jlb524]

Yeah ME3 had a lot...they can't be counting that.

 

I just want to romance Leliana now*

 

*warden is dead, okay

[Ryzaki]

They said "In a bioware game" so I would assume ME has to be included

 

Nooooo

 

I was hoping all the female companions weren't Lis. This is looking more and more unlikely.

 

(Also that amount of LIs doesn't get me happy about the quality of each invidually. I rather smaller amounts and more content filled romance than a large amount with everyone getting meh amounts with 1 or 2 exceptions (I'm looking at you ME3.) )

[jlb524]

Nooooo

 

I was hoping all the female companions weren't Lis. This is looking more and more unlikely.

 

Maybe all the guys are LIs XD

 

yeah i know that's not gonna happen