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[Lost_In_Anarchy]

Well, whatever games are "to you", the fact is they're fundamentally different from movies and books by virtue of being interactive.

 

Romance isn't just "part of the story", it's a gameplay feature that we're expected to engage in. Do you buy a game without having any knowledge of what the combat will be like? Because that scenario seems more apt than the analogy you used.

 

And yes, it just so happens that, as a gay man who was drawn to BioWare by same-sex romances (and who recommended their games to his friends on that basis), I have a vested interest in finding out which specific male characters will have same-sex romance content.

Choose your Own Adventure books were very interactive for me growing up. And I only "buy" games that I know will have a good story based off word of mouth if there are older or by the trailer engaging me into thinking it is worth my time to invest in it. Otherwise, if it just seems "cool", I rent it to make sure I would want to play it again. Because of this, my video game collection is pretty much all Bioware. Since this is Bioware, then you know there will be same sex relationships. They are about the only company that is inclusive of females and LGBTQ. What I am is saying is, why ruin the surprise? The anticipation of getting to know someone and then expressing romantic interest. You may get shot down, you may not. That makes it more real. The palm sweating, knees shaking, please don't let me mess this up. If you KNOW they won't turn you down, you are missing out on something. If you are only going to talk to someone because you can romance them, you are missing out on something.

 

You talked about buying a game because of the combat, knowing what it will be like. Think about the first time you got an epic kill shot. That hunt in the darkness to sneak up on you enemy. Your heart starts to race a bit right? You keep telling yourself not to slip up, to press the wrong button, to avoid knocking over than vase. And when you accomplish your task you feel a sense of pride, of delight. You did it and it was cool. Why shouldn't a romance being any less exhilarating and terrifying? It is part of the game. Part of the story you are weaving together. If you know you can't fail, you take the heart skip out of it.

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

A movie is seven bucks and two hours of my time. If the trailer lies to me, I've wasted the price of a fast food meal and an evening.

 

A book is twelve dollars. Time wise it's a much larger investment, but I can put that book down and not feel particularly cheated.

 

A video game is sixty dollars and fifty hours. That's a much more significant investment. So yes, I'm going to need more than a trailer to win me over.

One, you are lucky if a movie only cost you 7 buck and a new hardback only 12. I need to move where you are. Two, I said that if you need more than just the trailer for the investment then you can rent it for about the same price as a movie or book and just as easily put it down if you don't like it. I did with Dragon's Dogma. I didn't care for it after a couple of hours and took it back to the video store.

[fizzypop]

Just to play devil's advocate here... when you go to see a movie, do you go based off the trailer or do you have to know everything including who, if any, the protagonist romances? When you buy a book, do you have to read the whole plot online before hand or do you go based off the inside jacket and maybe word of mouth? I say this because to me these games are the same thing.  A story that needs to unfold and we shouldn't want to spoil the flow with knowing major aspects. You don't have to necessarily buy the game. You can rent it first, if you don't want to spend over 20 bucks, (average movie going experience and hardback book), without knowing the key points to make sure you feel it is worth the extra money. These are games meant to be played more than once. His attitude is far from arrogance. It is pride. Pride in a good story that he thinks is best served by being surprised. The incentive is you see the trailer, you say to yourself, "That looks like something I want to play", and you go get it. You really shouldn't need more incentive than that.

I actually don't mind knowing a plot before hand. Yes, I've actually read the majority of a book plot online before I began the series. I often will read the last chapter of a book especially if its part of a series before I read the rest of it. I don't find knowing the ending or knowing major parts of the plot makes any difference in enjoyment for me. It is the journey afterall I enjoy, not necessarily the story itself. So there are people out there like me who don't really care about being "spoiled".

[Steelcan]

People go to movie theaters these days?

[Iakus]

About spoilers...the script leak of ME3 allowed me to find out some unpleasant things in a fairly safe way and I was still nauseous afterward. So yes, I'd prefer to know as much as I can beforehand.

Heck after ME3 I'd definitely want to know as many details as possible before jumping in

[Eleinehmm]

People go to movie theaters these days?

 

Yes, people do. It's a social activity thingy, really.

[fizzypop]

I also wouldn't buy a game based on the trailer alone. Trailers are very deceiving. So many games have awesome trailers, but terrible gameplay or are completely different from their trailers. I prefer looking at gameplay or demos when I consider buying a game.

[Iakus]

At least he's alive. And he's not alone.

 

 Just remarking on his comment in DA2 if he meets Isabela

 

"You look different"

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

I actually don't mind knowing a plot before hand. Yes, I've actually read the majority of a book plot online before I began the series. I often will read the last chapter of a book especially if its part of a series before I read the rest of it. I don't find knowing the ending or knowing major parts of the plot makes any difference in enjoyment for me. It is the journey afterall I enjoy, not necessarily the story itself. So there are people out there like me who don't really care about being "spoiled".

And I understand that. I was merely addressing as a devil's advocate someone who thought "pride" in wanting to keep things a surprise could be equated to arrogance. Some people enjoy being spoiled. I wouldn't be in this thread if I wasn't curious myself, but I get why the writers wouldn't want to reveal that information and would never assume they were speaking arrogantly.

[Mockingword]

I went to the cinema twice this week.

 

It's a great place to make out.

[wright1978]

Well, whatever games are "to you", the fact is they're fundamentally different from movies and books by virtue of being interactive.
 
Romance isn't just "part of the story", it's a gameplay feature that we're expected to engage in. Do you buy a game without having any knowledge of what the combat will be like? Because that scenario seems more apt than the analogy you used.
 

Yep as an interactive medium where I'm involved in defining the protagonist and in shaping the the nuance of the story, hence I want to know beforehand if the character build I'm considering is going to be compatible with an available romantic element.

[Battlebloodmage]

Damn, Sera thread getting locked. I hope they could clean up the thread instead of locking it altogether.

 

Now I really want to know who's the gay option for the guy is since we know Sera is the lesbian option.

[AresKeith]

Damn, Sera thread getting locked. I hope they could clean up the thread instead of locking it altogether.

 

Now I really want to know who's the gay option for the guy is since we know Sera is the lesbian option.

 

My guess would be Dorian

[AkiKishi]

Damn, Sera thread getting locked. I hope they could clean up the thread instead of locking it altogether.

 

Now I really want to know who's the gay option for the guy is since we know Sera is the lesbian option.

 

Funny they usually leave a message when they lock something.

[Battlebloodmage]

My guess would be Dorian

That would be my guess also. I want him to be gay while Solas is straight. Solas seems to be pretty popular with the ladies afterall. His thread surpassed Dorian. 

[fizzypop]

And I understand that. I was merely addressing as a devil's advocate someone who thought "pride" in wanting to keep things a surprise could be equated to arrogance. Some people enjoy being spoiled. I wouldn't be in this thread if I wasn't curious myself, but I get why the writers wouldn't want to reveal that information and would never assume they were speaking arrogantly.

Ah. Well of course it is their choice what they release, but I think using the "it would spoil people" is a terrible excuse for not sharing certain things. I'm pretty cautious in general because of EA so I know I wouldn't mind more information to ease my mind.

[naddaya]

 Just remarking on his comment in DA2 if he meets Isabela

 

"You look different"

 

Oh. Yeah, I remember now. I thought you were talking about his own change of appearance. He had to notice that.

[Battlebloodmage]

Funny they usually leave a message when they lock something.

There was a racist rant in there, but they should just delete the post instead of locking it all together. There are a lot of interesting discussion in there, and it was like Sera official fan thread, kinda. 

[AkiKishi]

There was a racist rant in there, but they should just delete the post instead of locking it all together. There are a lot of interesting discussion in there, and it was like Sera official fan thread, kinda. 

 

Must have missed that, it looked quite civil from where I started reading  

[fizzypop]

I'd be so disappointed if Dorian is gay. I have like zero cares for Solas.

[Battlebloodmage]

Must have missed that, it looked quite civil from where I started reading

Read the last two pages, we all had a civil discussion, but then I got accused of hating white people or something. I'm guessing I was the reason the thread was locked. Kinda want to talk to someone to get the thread open again.

[LilyasAvalon]

Gay LI is either Dorian or Blackwall imo.

[Battlebloodmage]

I'd be so disappointed if Dorian is gay. I have like zero cares for Solas.

Based on number of posts, I thought Solas would be in higher demands. However, I notice that straight girls want him to be gay while gay guys want him to be straight. Not even bisexual, since they want that slot to be filled by someone they would want to romance. 

[Lost_In_Anarchy]

I'd be so disappointed if Dorian is gay. I have like zero cares for Solas.

Solas could be the DA:I version of Garrus (my personal favorite romance and he snuck up on me, crafty turian) I guess that is why I love the surprise while secretly wanting to know. I always thought Kaidan was for me then Garrus stole my heart and I can never get it back. I also went into DA:O originally planning to romance Zevran because I love elves, then I was still emotionally raw from ME3 (I am fairly new to gaming), so I said to heck with romances, I just want story. Fat chance, Alistair opened his mouth, was a complete smart alec and I was hook. Then I met Zevran and went "Oh no no no". He reminded me of a guy in a pick up bar *shudders* So save a few cares for Solas, just in case he is a romance, he might surprise you.